I thought earlier in the season Rogers was going to be in Denver for sure in 22...Now I wouldn't put $ on it.
If Pederson is coming here (like Ticey thinks will happen) it will be interesting to see if he loves what a KC brings to the table or not.
We'll see who gets the MN job, I'm not as convinced they move him. Personally I don't know if Paton was in love with Kirk. In general Kirk can be traded if the Vikings are open to it.
Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
@ VikingOracle said:
I think the Denver Broncos are the team to watch in relation to Cousins. First, you have the obvious Paton connection (which could go both ways -- Paton could actually not think Cousins is the solution). Second, a judge just cleared the way for the sale of the Broncos. Basically, this means a new ownership group will be coming in before next season probably and this usually means a clean sweep of GM and coach etc. So, I am guessing Paton is seeing this as an all in year for the Broncos. Three, it appears Rodgers will stay with the Packers. Four, I can't see Paton trading for Watson -- too risky.
Was thinking about Denver the other day. They have a lot of cap space and Paton would most certainly extend Cousins so it definitely makes sense. I doubt he wants to go back, but WFT (until February) makes sense too.
I'm a fan of tanking when the season is basically over to improve draft rank, but I am not a fan of it going into the season. Having Teddy as QB1 would be tanking going into the season. He isn't perfect and I dont really care for his antics, but let Jameis show what he can prove. We have weapons and if the additional cap space allows for some upgrades elsewhere, maybe some magic happens like with Keenum, idk?
If the broncos have new ownership and that puts the GM under a microscope, maybe Paton would feel uneasy in that situation. So what’s to stop the Wilfs from interviewing Paton for GM? Of course I have no idea how they feel about GP but assuming they like him it wouldn’t really be a lateral move. He’d be going from the frying pan to home sweet home.
Quote: @Caactorvike said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ VikingOracle said:
I think the Denver Broncos are the team to watch in relation to Cousins. First, you have the obvious Paton connection (which could go both ways -- Paton could actually not think Cousins is the solution). Second, a judge just cleared the way for the sale of the Broncos. Basically, this means a new ownership group will be coming in before next season probably and this usually means a clean sweep of GM and coach etc. So, I am guessing Paton is seeing this as an all in year for the Broncos. Three, it appears Rodgers will stay with the Packers. Four, I can't see Paton trading for Watson -- too risky.
Was thinking about Denver the other day. They have a lot of cap space and Paton would most certainly extend Cousins so it definitely makes sense. I doubt he wants to go back, but WFT (until February) makes sense too.
I'm a fan of tanking when the season is basically over to improve draft rank, but I am not a fan of it going into the season. Having Teddy as QB1 would be tanking going into the season. He isn't perfect and I dont really care for his antics, but let Jameis show what he can prove. We have weapons and if the additional cap space allows for some upgrades elsewhere, maybe some magic happens like with Keenum, idk?
If the broncos have new ownership and that puts the GM under a microscope, maybe Paton would feel uneasy in that situation. So what’s to stop the Wilfs from interviewing Paton for GM? Of course I have no idea how they feel about GP but assuming they like him it wouldn’t really be a lateral move. He’d be going from the frying pan to home sweet home.
Paton is under contract and I doubt the current owners will let him out of it. It will take a year for the team to be sold and the NFL to approve. Nice thought, but unlikely to happen.
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
@ Caactorvike said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ VikingOracle said:
I think the Denver Broncos are the team to watch in relation to Cousins. First, you have the obvious Paton connection (which could go both ways -- Paton could actually not think Cousins is the solution). Second, a judge just cleared the way for the sale of the Broncos. Basically, this means a new ownership group will be coming in before next season probably and this usually means a clean sweep of GM and coach etc. So, I am guessing Paton is seeing this as an all in year for the Broncos. Three, it appears Rodgers will stay with the Packers. Four, I can't see Paton trading for Watson -- too risky.
Was thinking about Denver the other day. They have a lot of cap space and Paton would most certainly extend Cousins so it definitely makes sense. I doubt he wants to go back, but WFT (until February) makes sense too.
I'm a fan of tanking when the season is basically over to improve draft rank, but I am not a fan of it going into the season. Having Teddy as QB1 would be tanking going into the season. He isn't perfect and I dont really care for his antics, but let Jameis show what he can prove. We have weapons and if the additional cap space allows for some upgrades elsewhere, maybe some magic happens like with Keenum, idk?
If the broncos have new ownership and that puts the GM under a microscope, maybe Paton would feel uneasy in that situation. So what’s to stop the Wilfs from interviewing Paton for GM? Of course I have no idea how they feel about GP but assuming they like him it wouldn’t really be a lateral move. He’d be going from the frying pan to home sweet home.
Paton is under contract and I doubt the current owners will let him out of it. It will take a year for the team to be sold and the NFL to approve. Nice thought, but unlikely to happen.
Paton is not going anywhere.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
We'll see who gets the MN job, I'm not as convinced they move him. Personally I don't know if Paton was in love with Kirk. In general Kirk can be traded if the Vikings are open to it.
I would love to see how you would handle the salary cap this year. The two big whales are Cousins and Hunter.
Even if they gave both extensions that may not provide much relief.
They are going to need one or two corners at the very least.
Dealing with the cap next year actually isn’t that hard - if Cousins cooperates.
I’ve sliced and diced this issue with Cousins. Unless someone wants to give up a boatload of picks, I would try to sign him to a new contract. Preferably 3 years @ a cap hit of $33 million each year.
I’d then cut or restructure Pierce. I believe Barr’s falls off because he can opt out? Then I’d restructure Thielen. If possible, I’d redo Harry Smith too, but I’m not sure that is doable.
This would put us in a good cap position and change little of the team. Cousins is good enough to get us there, but we have to have some money for defense and better coaching/scheme.
Hunter’s contract hit is pretty massive, but I’m not sure you can do much with it this year. Trade for lots of picks and take the hit or just go as is. His injuries likely preclude a monster trade offer.
At the end of the day, this cap situation is not as bad as it appears.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
We'll see who gets the MN job, I'm not as convinced they move him. Personally I don't know if Paton was in love with Kirk. In general Kirk can be traded if the Vikings are open to it.
I would love to see how you would handle the salary cap this year. The two big whales are Cousins and Hunter.
Even if they gave both extensions that may not provide much relief.
They are going to need one or two corners at the very least.
Kirk is somewhat straightforward I think. You either trade him or extend him and the cap implication is going to be a savings of around $15M in 2022. If you trade him you likely pick up some of his remaining money to increase the return and have to sign a veteran stop-gap. Then you account for any incoming draft picks that hit the roster as well. If they extend him you can open up $15-20M in 2022 by prorating out some of this guaranteed money.
Hunter is much trickier. They could simply convert his $18M roster bonus into a signing bonus and pro-rate it, but that was only added as a token of goodwill to re-negotiate his deal this off-season. Well, nobody who promised that is here. Hunter also suffered another season ending injury. All things considered the pec is more of a fluke so I wouldn't use that against him too much. The neck still is concerning. Hunter isn't going to sign another below market deal, but are you ready to pay him top EDGE money? He's irreplaceable on talent alone. Doing nothing will end in a messy divorce. My guess is you explore what you can trade him for and ultimately settle on resigning him or forcing him to hold out again.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
We'll see who gets the MN job, I'm not as convinced they move him. Personally I don't know if Paton was in love with Kirk. In general Kirk can be traded if the Vikings are open to it.
I would love to see how you would handle the salary cap this year. The two big whales are Cousins and Hunter.
Even if they gave both extensions that may not provide much relief.
They are going to need one or two corners at the very least.
Kirk is somewhat straightforward I think. You either trade him or extend him and the cap implication is going to be a savings of around $15M in 2022. If you trade him you likely pick up some of his remaining money to increase the return and have to sign a veteran stop-gap. Then you account for any incoming draft picks that hit the roster as well. If they extend him you can open up $15-20M in 2022 by prorating out some of this guaranteed money.
Hunter is much trickier. They could simply convert his $18M roster bonus into a signing bonus and pro-rate it, but that was only added as a token of goodwill to re-negotiate his deal this off-season. Well, nobody who promised that is here. Hunter also suffered another season ending injury. All things considered the pec is more of a fluke so I wouldn't use that against him too much. The neck still is concerning. Hunter isn't going to sign another below market deal, but are you ready to pay him top EDGE money? He's irreplaceable on talent alone. Doing nothing will end in a messy divorce. My guess is you explore what you can trade him for and ultimately settle on resigning him or forcing him to hold out again.
What exactly was his neck injury? Did it ever come out? Did it happen in practice?
My huge concern with him is the David Boston experience. Hunter looks like a body builder, is absolutely ripped. But if that is how he hurt his neck, and then pec, I would pass on big money for him.
I am not sure you can compare him to Boston even on the body building aspect. Hunter came into the league ripped. Boston put on a lot of weight, clearly had a drug habit and there was talk of HGH. Has Hunter put on a lot of weight since being drafted -- does he look like he is using HGH?
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