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Packers D - How are They So Good?
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Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
@greediron said:
It is amazing that year in and year out they are the least penalized team.  And teams playing them are among the most penalized.
It's funny you mention this as in 2019 I joked about this with a buddy and we went back and added up penalty yards of their games. 10/15 games (1 game was the same amount) the Packers had less penalty yards than their opponent. The difference in penalty yards that year? 194...774 for Green Bay and 968 for their opponent. They always get calls
Just looked at some stats through week 10:

We have been the top team penalties in terms of penalized yards - 69 for 668yds
GB the 3rd fewest in yards 43 for 414yds

The thing about our games vs GB  is not just the amount of called/yards it is the timing of those calls.  I have watched more then my fair share of games where the penalties might be the same for both teams but the penalties aided one team way more then other team and had a direct impact on the game.  Also, many games where I see the refs seem to even up the called penalties to make it look fair as an end result stat.  

As I have been posting all year - the officiating this year is the worst I have seen to date.  I am not talking about just Viking games but over the many many games I watch.  Billion dollar sport that still won't hire full-time officials, makes you wonder why ($$$$/union)??  The end result so far does not effect their bottom line at all in fact making all these games close to the end with shitty call after ahitty call makes Vegas and fantasy players happy.   
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#12
Vikes Off Holding leads league at 19  
GB -  7 tied for 4th fewest with 4 other teams

Vikes false starts - 11 
GB fewest at 5


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#13
Quote: @minny65 said:
Vikes Off Holding leads league at 19  
GB -  7 tied for 4th fewest with 4 other teams

Vikes false starts - 11 
GB fewest at 5
Funny, watch the highlights of the Seattle GB game.  The announcer even called the false start but the refs didn't.  Twice in the highlight, the RT takes off way early.  No flag.
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#14
Quote: @HappyViking said:
I thought the Packer D would suck this season.  They have a new defensive coordinator and a bunch of starters out, but yet they shutdown high powered offenses and are ranked overall at #3 in the NFL.
I'm not saying they'll stay ranked that high at the end of the season, but I'm honestly surprised.  Their offense has carried them recently, and the last thing we need to see is a dominant GB defense.
I hope you guys are right and it's just a mirage and they're not for real.  I still don't feel confident about this Viking team ending the season with a winning record, but a win on Sunday sure would change my view.
We shall see - Skol!

Smoke and mirrors. They're playing well, but they're not a great defense. It's like us last week. We played well on defense, shutting down Herbert with 6 starters out, but no one would call what we threw out there on Sunday a great defense. 

With Mercillus, Zaire Alexander and Zadarius Smith on IR, the Packers defense is basically Kenny Clark, Preston Smith, and a couple of decent DBs--the rest is replacement-level filler. 
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#15
The Vikings' 27-20 win over the Chargers on Sunday ended a two-game losing streak, kept the team in the middle of the NFC wild-card race and seemingly reinvigorated an offense that had been fuming at its own futility.
Wide receiver Adam Thielen also hopes it set a precedent.
"It was a good showing of what the formula kind of has to be to win games," Thielen said Wednesday. "It's a little bit different league nowadays. You have to be able to be aggressive, and you have to be able to convert in aggressive situations to win games, because there's just so much firepower, offenses can score points. Especially this offense this week, obviously. They're one of the best in the league, and they can score points like the best of them."
Minnesota's 381-yard performance in Los Angeles came after a week of internal discussions about being more aggressive on offense. It showcased Kirk Cousins' efforts to get Justin Jefferson and Thielen the ball after a cautious passing game cost the Vikings against Dallas and Baltimore. Cousins threw for 294 yards Sunday, with 208 of them coming on 14 completions to his two Pro Bowl receivers.
The next test of the Vikings' offensive assertiveness comes Sunday against a Packers defense that ranks third in the league against the pass, posted the fourth shutout of the season against the Seahawks on Sunday and held Kyler Murray, Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson to a combined 511 passing yards over the past three weeks.
Only two opponents have scored more than 27 points against the Packers this season, and none have posted more than 264 passing yards. Even without cornerback Jaire Alexander and pass rusher Za'Darius Smith on injured reserve, Green Bay's defense — so often a liability during Aaron Rodgers' time with the team — has been an asset to an 8-2 team.

"It's a credit to the depth they have, the scheme," Cousins said. "It's really a great team defense. When you look at some of the players, again, who I have a lot of respect for, who aren't playing, and then the production they have, it says a lot about their unit. Great challenge for us; we'll have to have a good week preparing to put a good plan together."
After their loss to the Buccaneers at home in the NFC Championship Game, the Packers replaced defensive coordinator Mike Pettine with Joe Barry, the Buccaneers' linebackers coach on Tony Dungy's 2002 championship team who'd most recently worked under Brandon Staley in the Rams' split-safety scheme that's inspired copycats around the league.
Quote:“The important thing now is yeah, we gotta win, but we can't change our mind-set. We can't change what we're doing.”
Adam Thielen
The scheme, in effect, dares offenses to win by committing to the run or sustaining drives without the benefit of big downfield plays, and the Vikings did it against Staley's Chargers despite the fact Cousins attempted just three passes of 20 yards or more. They thrived on intermediate routes that attacked the second and third levels of the Chargers' defense, with Cousins connecting on four of his seven passes between 10 and 19 yards downfield.
"It's just kind of seeing that formula, and I think there's areas that we look at in the film where we could have been even more aggressive, so that's exciting," Thielen said. "But at the end of the day, you can say it all you want, and you can talk about being aggressive and how that helped, but you still have to execute. Because it can be aggressive play-calling or aggressive this or that, but you've still got to go out there and execute and win, which is tough in this league. But that's what good teams do."
Thielen has battled plenty with Alexander over the past few years, but won't see him Sunday as the Pro Bowl corner remains on injured reserve with a shoulder injury.
His influence, though, shows up on the film Thielen's watched of Packers cornerbacks like first-round pick Eric Stokes or Kevin King, who became one of the goats of Green Bay's NFC title game loss but has enjoyed a resurgent 2021 season.
"[Alexander] still brings that leadership to that group," Thielen said. "He's probably around there. You can tell that the rookies are playing very similar to the way that he does and bringing that same energy and that passion to the game. It's a tough task for us, and again, that's what you look forward to in the league."
Should the Vikings emerge with a win over the Packers on Sunday, they'd be back at .500 with a renewed belief they can wind up in the postseason.
If they can carry forward the offensive approach they used against the Chargers, they might have a template they can use the rest of the way.
"As frustrated as we all were, that was kind of a rallying point, to say, 'For how frustrated we all are, we're right there," Thielen said. "The important thing now is yeah, we gotta win, but we can't change our mind-set. We can't change what we're doing. So that's exciting, too, to see guys out here working this week, making sure that guys aren't just relaxing.
"No, it's attack mode. We've gotta go."
https://www.startribune.com/vikings-plan...600117948/

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#16
So its very on brand for the Vikings to surprise and beat LA on the road and then lay an egg Sunday against a divisional rival in Green Bay. And its also on brand for them to win Sunday then lose 2 straight. 

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#17
Quote: @StickyBun said:
So its very on brand for the Vikings to surprise and beat LA on the road and then lay an egg Sunday against a divisional rival in Green Bay. And its also on brand for them to win Sunday then lose 2 straight. 

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yup, that sums it up nicely
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#18
Packers aren't unbeatable. Their defense is a bit overrated. Vikings need to stop the run. Dillon brings a load and the Vikings aren't great at stopping the run. Vikings need to get off the field quick on defensive substitutions and not give Rodgers any free hail mary opportunities. The Vikings will have penalties so they need to not add stupid penalties to the mix.
The only penalty I wouldn't mind is laying the wood to Rodgers early. He doesn't like getting hit and plays differently after taking a big hit.
I believe the Vikings can win this one but not if they can't stop the run.
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#19
Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
Packers aren't unbeatable. Their defense is a bit overrated. Vikings need to stop the run. Dillon brings a load and the Vikings aren't great at stopping the run. Vikings need to get off the field quick on defensive substitutions and not give Rodgers any free hail mary opportunities. The Vikings will have penalties so they need to not add stupid penalties to the mix.
The only penalty I wouldn't mind is laying the wood to Rodgers early. He doesn't like getting hit and plays differently after taking a big hit.
I believe the Vikings can win this one but not if they can't stop the run.
Yea and with Pierce on IR our only supposed run stuffer would be Tomlinson who has been a subpar signing.  Our rotation at DL consists of mostly 3T guys who hover around 300lbs - Richardson, Watts and James Lynch.  We will have to rely on Tomlinson as our run stuffer who has 5 solo tackles, 1.5 sacks, and 16 assisted tackles to date.  Let's hope he plays his best game to date!
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#20
Quote: @minny65 said:
@jargomcfargo said:
Packers aren't unbeatable. Their defense is a bit overrated. Vikings need to stop the run. Dillon brings a load and the Vikings aren't great at stopping the run. Vikings need to get off the field quick on defensive substitutions and not give Rodgers any free hail mary opportunities. The Vikings will have penalties so they need to not add stupid penalties to the mix.
The only penalty I wouldn't mind is laying the wood to Rodgers early. He doesn't like getting hit and plays differently after taking a big hit.
I believe the Vikings can win this one but not if they can't stop the run.
Yea and with Pierce on IR our only supposed run stuffer would be Tomlinson who has been a subpar signing.  Our rotation at DL consists of mostly 3T guys who hover around 300lbs - Richardson, Watts and James Lynch.  We will have to rely on Tomlinson as our run stuffer who has 5 solo tackles, 1.5 sacks, and 16 assisted tackles to date.  Let's hope he plays his best game to date!
Ouch!
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