Sound reasons for sure. @ JimmyinSD said: Quote:
my answer was going to be simply this... Mills played in the PAC and Mond in the SEC.... I dont know if I have ever said this, but I just dont trust QBs coming out of colleges in states with a beach on the pacific.
Some pretty good ones played H.S. in California: Brady, Fouts, Elway, Rodgers, Warren Moon, Jim Plunkett, Carson Palmer, Randall Cunningham, just to name a few.
And our very own Joe Kapp (not born in Cali, but played high school there and college).
Quote: @StickyBun said:
Sound reasons for sure. @JimmyinSD said:
my answer was going to be simply this... Mills played in the PAC and Mond in the SEC.... I dont know if I have ever said this, but I just dont trust QBs coming out of colleges in states with a beach on the pacific.
Some pretty good ones played H.S. in California: Brady, Fouts, Elway, Rodgers, Warren Moon, Jim Plunkett, Carson Palmer, Randall Cunningham, just to name a few.
And our very own Joe Kapp (not born in Cali, but played high school there and college).
How about ones that aren't near dead? And it's not a hard line, but it seems in the last 20 years there have been more hot prospects from the PAC that dont amount to shit as pros than other conferences.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
Sound reasons for sure. @ JimmyinSD said:
my answer was going to be simply this... Mills played in the PAC and Mond in the SEC.... I dont know if I have ever said this, but I just dont trust QBs coming out of colleges in states with a beach on the pacific.
Some pretty good ones played H.S. in California: Brady, Fouts, Elway, Rodgers, Warren Moon, Jim Plunkett, Carson Palmer, Randall Cunningham, just to name a few.
And our very own Joe Kapp (not born in Cali, but played high school there and college).
How about ones that aren't near dead? And it's not a hard line, but it seems in the last 20 years there have been more hot prospects from the PAC that dont amount to shit as pros than other conferences.
Well, considering there are only 32 starting QBs in the NFL and maybe what, 5-7 franchise guys.....its not like any conference has a stranglehold on good NFL QBs. In the last 20 years, there have been a bunch of hot NFL prospects that have flamed out from EVERY conference. PAC-10 is no worse or better. Right now, 2 of the top 3 QBs in the NFL are from California (Rodgers-Brady). Mahomes was born in Texas, Russell Wilson in Ohio. Watson is from Georgia. LaMar Jackson is from Florida. Josh Allen for the Bills is from California. So I think you are being a little hard on the Pacific coast born players and those that played in the PAC-10.
Probably because Mond offers more in the way of mobility and running ability. Plus, there are a lot of little things that suggest we may not have seen the best from Mond yet. Like Mond winning against very good teams, improving every season, etc.
I didn't really pay much attention to Davis but I know not all teams were sold on his shoulder. I also know he can't move. He's probably less mobile than Kirk Cousins.
What I'm curious about is if the Vikings would've taken Trask if he'd been there.
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Probably because Mond offers more in the way of mobility and running ability. Plus, there are a lot of little things that suggest we may not have seen the best from Mond yet. Like Mond winning against very good teams, improving every season, etc.
I didn't really pay much attention to Davis but I know not all teams were sold on his shoulder. I also know he can't move. He's probably less mobile than Kirk Cousins.
What I'm curious about is if the Vikings would've taken Trask if he'd been there.
Mills did run an unofficial 4.58 forty at his pro day, so I'm not so sure about that lack of mobility.
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@ MaroonBells said:
Probably because Mond offers more in the way of mobility and running ability. Plus, there are a lot of little things that suggest we may not have seen the best from Mond yet. Like Mond winning against very good teams, improving every season, etc.
I didn't really pay much attention to Davis but I know not all teams were sold on his shoulder. I also know he can't move. He's probably less mobile than Kirk Cousins.
What I'm curious about is if the Vikings would've taken Trask if he'd been there.
Mills did run an unofficial 4.58 forty at his pro day, so I'm not so sure about that lack of mobility.
Agreed, and he certainly has more movement skills than Cousins.
Quote: @Knucklehead said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Probably because Mond offers more in the way of mobility and running ability. Plus, there are a lot of little things that suggest we may not have seen the best from Mond yet. Like Mond winning against very good teams, improving every season, etc.
I didn't really pay much attention to Davis but I know not all teams were sold on his shoulder. I also know he can't move. He's probably less mobile than Kirk Cousins.
What I'm curious about is if the Vikings would've taken Trask if he'd been there.
Mills did run an unofficial 4.58 forty at his pro day, so I'm not so sure about that lack of mobility.
Yeah, that shocked everyone and is probably why he went from 7th rounder to 3rd rounder practically overnight. But sometimes good straight line speed doesn't translate to mobility in the pocket.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
Sound reasons for sure. @ JimmyinSD said:
my answer was going to be simply this... Mills played in the PAC and Mond in the SEC.... I dont know if I have ever said this, but I just dont trust QBs coming out of colleges in states with a beach on the pacific.
Some pretty good ones played H.S. in California: Brady, Fouts, Elway, Rodgers, Warren Moon, Jim Plunkett, Carson Palmer, Randall Cunningham, just to name a few.
And our very own Joe Kapp (not born in Cali, but played high school there and college).
How about ones that aren't near dead? And it's not a hard line, but it seems in the last 20 years there have been more hot prospects from the PAC that dont amount to shit as pros than other conferences.
Well, considering there are only 32 starting QBs in the NFL and maybe what, 5-7 franchise guys.....its not like any conference has a stranglehold on good NFL QBs. In the last 20 years, there have been a bunch of hot NFL prospects that have flamed out from EVERY conference. PAC-10 is no worse or better. Right now, 2 of the top 3 QBs in the NFL are from California (Rodgers-Brady). Mahomes was born in Texas, Russell Wilson in Ohio. Watson is from Georgia. LaMar Jackson is from Florida. Josh Allen for the Bills is from California. So I think you are being a little hard on the Pacific coast born players and those that played in the PAC-10.
I never said anything about where they are born, its about the level of competition in the PAC vs the other major conferences especially the South East teams, I just think that west coast college QBs end up over hyped and their lack of consistent quality opponents makes their stats a little skewed when comparing them to their peers that played in other areas.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
my answer was going to be simply this... Mills played in the PAC and Mond in the SEC.... I dont know if I have ever said this, but I just dont trust QBs coming out of colleges in states with a beach on the pacific.
You mean like Elway, Aikman, Rodgers, Luck, Carson Palmer, Brunell, Dan Fouts, Bledsoe, Warren Moon, ...
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@ MaroonBells said:
Probably because Mond offers more in the way of mobility and running ability. Plus, there are a lot of little things that suggest we may not have seen the best from Mond yet. Like Mond winning against very good teams, improving every season, etc.
I didn't really pay much attention to Davis but I know not all teams were sold on his shoulder. I also know he can't move. He's probably less mobile than Kirk Cousins.
What I'm curious about is if the Vikings would've taken Trask if he'd been there.
Mills did run an unofficial 4.58 forty at his pro day, so I'm not so sure about that lack of mobility.
Running a forty is one thing, being a good runner is another. Mills' total rushing stats at Stanford were 86 total yards, meaning he likes to be a pocket passer. Mond on the other hand, ran for over 1,600 yards. While I'm not the highest on Mond, he is certainly a good runner where the jury is still out on Mills
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