@ MaroonBells I think those dollars are a bit light. I think Zeus is going to need closer to $20 per and O'Neill $15+.
I really wanted and advocated for us to draft Dawkins (Temple - I saw play a few times) back in 2017 draft. We would have had to move up from 70 (Elflein) because Dawkins went 63 to the Bills, Oh well. I was also a big fan of drafting O'Neil and predicted he would start year one and took some crap for that. Oh well, every once in a while I am right but not according to the wife 
With my great track record (notice I didn't add any of the misses) I go back to Wilson at 5 if available
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
@MaroonBells I think those dollars are a bit light. I think Zeus is going to need closer to $20 per and O'Neill $15+.
You're probably right. But those numbers would be per-year averages, not cap hit. We can choose to put as much or as little into that 1st year as we want, especially when you consider how much the cap will go up in '23.
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Probably O'Neill range here.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ MaroonBells I think those dollars are a bit light. I think Zeus is going to need closer to $20 per and O'Neill $15+.
You're probably right. But those numbers would be per-year averages, not cap hit. We can choose to put as much or as little into that 1st year as we want, especially when you consider how much the cap will go up in '23.
Read yesterday that the big cap jump won't be until 24, the cap is based on previous years revenues and the new TV deal won't kick in until 23. So you would be looking at kicking that can 4 years out in a league where players average less than that for a career. Might be a bit early to be spending that new tv money.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ MaroonBells I think those dollars are a bit light. I think Zeus is going to need closer to $20 per and O'Neill $15+.
You're probably right. But those numbers would be per-year averages, not cap hit. We can choose to put as much or as little into that 1st year as we want, especially when you consider how much the cap will go up in '23.
Read yesterday that the big cap jump won't be until 24, the cap is based on previous years revenues and the new TV deal won't kick in until 23. So you would be looking at kicking that can 4 years out in a league where players average less than that for a career. Might be a bit early to be spending that new tv money.
It will likely increase a decent amount over the next two years due to the return of revenue and the 17th game, and then explode in '24 due to the TV deal. OTC projects $200 in '22, $225 in '23 and then a whopping $260 in '24.
So unless you're writing one or two year contracts, there will be a very deep hole in 2024 to stuff money into. A hole nearly $80M larger than it is now. And like I said, the Vikings have $21M in space for '22 (estimated $200 cap space). And that includes a $45M hit for Cousins which we likely won't see and a $17M hit for Hunter that we likely won't see.
What's more, right now we have $34M committed to 2024. If the cap is $260M, you can do the math.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ MaroonBells I think those dollars are a bit light. I think Zeus is going to need closer to $20 per and O'Neill $15+.
You're probably right. But those numbers would be per-year averages, not cap hit. We can choose to put as much or as little into that 1st year as we want, especially when you consider how much the cap will go up in '23.
Read yesterday that the big cap jump won't be until 24, the cap is based on previous years revenues and the new TV deal won't kick in until 23. So you would be looking at kicking that can 4 years out in a league where players average less than that for a career. Might be a bit early to be spending that new tv money.
It will likely increase a decent amount over the next two years due to the return of revenue and the 17th game, and then explode in '24 due to the TV deal. OTC projects $200 in '22, $225 in '23 and then a whopping $260 in '24.
So unless you're writing one or two year contracts, there will be a very deep hole in 2024 to stuff money into. A hole nearly $80M larger than it is now. And like I said, the Vikings have $21M in space for '22 (estimated $200 cap space). And that includes a $45M hit for Cousins which we likely won't see and a $17M hit for Hunter that we likely won't see.
What's more, right now we have $34M committed to 2024. If the cap is $260M, you can do the math.
It never goes as far as we are led to believe. If the cap goes up 40% you can bet every position will think they are worth 45% more. More money in the cap won't ease cap woes, it will just be a bigger number to discuss.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ MaroonBells I think those dollars are a bit light. I think Zeus is going to need closer to $20 per and O'Neill $15+.
You're probably right. But those numbers would be per-year averages, not cap hit. We can choose to put as much or as little into that 1st year as we want, especially when you consider how much the cap will go up in '23.
Read yesterday that the big cap jump won't be until 24, the cap is based on previous years revenues and the new TV deal won't kick in until 23. So you would be looking at kicking that can 4 years out in a league where players average less than that for a career. Might be a bit early to be spending that new tv money.
It will likely increase a decent amount over the next two years due to the return of revenue and the 17th game, and then explode in '24 due to the TV deal. OTC projects $200 in '22, $225 in '23 and then a whopping $260 in '24.
So unless you're writing one or two year contracts, there will be a very deep hole in 2024 to stuff money into. A hole nearly $80M larger than it is now. And like I said, the Vikings have $21M in space for '22 (estimated $200 cap space). And that includes a $45M hit for Cousins which we likely won't see and a $17M hit for Hunter that we likely won't see.
What's more, right now we have $34M committed to 2024. If the cap is $260M, you can do the math.
It never goes as far as we are led to believe. If the cap goes up 40% you can bet every position will think they are worth 45% more. More money in the cap won't ease cap woes, it will just be a bigger number to discuss.
Damn greedy players. How will the owners cope if they get an extra $113 billion if they have to turn right around and give it to all those greedy players?
What you don't seem to understand is that it all evens out in the end. If the cap goes up 40%, salaries will go up 40%. There can be no additional 5% on a salary without an equal reduction of 5% elsewhere. That's the beauty of the salary cap, the beauty of the market.
I think you see "woes" everywhere you look.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ MaroonBells I think those dollars are a bit light. I think Zeus is going to need closer to $20 per and O'Neill $15+.
You're probably right. But those numbers would be per-year averages, not cap hit. We can choose to put as much or as little into that 1st year as we want, especially when you consider how much the cap will go up in '23.
Read yesterday that the big cap jump won't be until 24, the cap is based on previous years revenues and the new TV deal won't kick in until 23. So you would be looking at kicking that can 4 years out in a league where players average less than that for a career. Might be a bit early to be spending that new tv money.
It will likely increase a decent amount over the next two years due to the return of revenue and the 17th game, and then explode in '24 due to the TV deal. OTC projects $200 in '22, $225 in '23 and then a whopping $260 in '24.
So unless you're writing one or two year contracts, there will be a very deep hole in 2024 to stuff money into. A hole nearly $80M larger than it is now. And like I said, the Vikings have $21M in space for '22 (estimated $200 cap space). And that includes a $45M hit for Cousins which we likely won't see and a $17M hit for Hunter that we likely won't see.
What's more, right now we have $34M committed to 2024. If the cap is $260M, you can do the math.
It never goes as far as we are led to believe. If the cap goes up 40% you can bet every position will think they are worth 45% more. More money in the cap won't ease cap woes, it will just be a bigger number to discuss.
Damn greedy players. How will the owners cope if they get an extra $113 billion if they have to turn right around and give it to all those greedy players?
What you don't seem to understand is that it all evens out in the end. If the cap goes up 40%, salaries will go up 40%. There can be no additional 5% on a salary without an equal reduction of 5% elsewhere. That's the beauty of the salary cap, the beauty of the market.
I think you see "woes" everywhere you look.
I don't see it as a greedy players issue, but Jimmy raises the point. The first wave of free agents will be looking to soak up more than their share of that 40%. QBs will be getting about 30% of it and the mid level vets will be getting cut.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ MaroonBells I think those dollars are a bit light. I think Zeus is going to need closer to $20 per and O'Neill $15+.
You're probably right. But those numbers would be per-year averages, not cap hit. We can choose to put as much or as little into that 1st year as we want, especially when you consider how much the cap will go up in '23.
Read yesterday that the big cap jump won't be until 24, the cap is based on previous years revenues and the new TV deal won't kick in until 23. So you would be looking at kicking that can 4 years out in a league where players average less than that for a career. Might be a bit early to be spending that new tv money.
It will likely increase a decent amount over the next two years due to the return of revenue and the 17th game, and then explode in '24 due to the TV deal. OTC projects $200 in '22, $225 in '23 and then a whopping $260 in '24.
So unless you're writing one or two year contracts, there will be a very deep hole in 2024 to stuff money into. A hole nearly $80M larger than it is now. And like I said, the Vikings have $21M in space for '22 (estimated $200 cap space). And that includes a $45M hit for Cousins which we likely won't see and a $17M hit for Hunter that we likely won't see.
What's more, right now we have $34M committed to 2024. If the cap is $260M, you can do the math.
It never goes as far as we are led to believe. If the cap goes up 40% you can bet every position will think they are worth 45% more. More money in the cap won't ease cap woes, it will just be a bigger number to discuss.
Damn greedy players. How will the owners cope if they get an extra $113 billion if they have to turn right around and give it to all those greedy players?
What you don't seem to understand is that it all evens out in the end. If the cap goes up 40%, salaries will go up 40%. There can be no additional 5% on a salary without an equal reduction of 5% elsewhere. That's the beauty of the salary cap, the beauty of the market.
I think you see "woes" everywhere you look.
I understand just fine, you trying to shit rainbows on those with future cap concerns seem to be the one not getting it.
You are the one that keeps using this new cap money as an answer to our cap crunch, you claim kicking these bonuses and what not down the road will somehow be ok because of this new tv contract money. I am simply pointing out the obvious that seems to escape you and that is the fact that when the cap goes up there won't be more money to run the team, it will still be the same situation just bigger dollars, with the added complications of trying to pay for our 3 previous years poor spending habits.
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