Build that wall

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Trying to figure out why the dems wanted a wall around the capitol.  

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@greediron said:
Trying to figure out why the dems wanted a wall around the capitol.  

Because the boarder is nothing but a political chess piece for them.  The vast majority don't give a damn.  It was all about Trump putting kids in cages which obviously sounds terrible, but when it was the Obama administration that built them it kind of put an end to that new cycle story.   Liberals will say they have this big open bleeding heart but as has been evidenced by many charitable studies, conservatives give more money then liberals to charitable causes.  Maybe they feel that they don't have a responsibility to society since they employ government goons to take it from everyone?
https://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/a...generosity

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@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:
Trying to figure out why the dems wanted a wall around the capitol.  

Because the boarder is nothing but a political chess piece for them.  The vast majority don't give a damn.  It was all about Trump putting kids in cages which obviously sounds terrible, but when it was the Obama administration that built them it kind of put an end to that new cycle story.   Liberals will say they have this big open bleeding heart but as has been evidenced by many charitable studies, conservatives give more money then liberals to charitable causes.  Maybe they feel that they don't have a responsibility to society since they employ government goons to take it from everyone?
https://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/a...generosity

Keep up please, the newspeak words are now “migrant facility for children” according to the WaPo.

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@JimmyinSD said:

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@SFVikeFan said:

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@"BarrNone55" said:

@AGRforever said:

We have friends that own property very near the boarder.  I'm not going to even debate it here because everyone's mind is made up.  But until you talk to someone who has property and has their livelihood there you're probably making an uneducated assessment of the situation. 

Mexico is not paying for it?

Hey, until talking to them I was a 100% walls keep people out AND in guy.  I still lean that way.  Take the goodies away from everyone here and that is coming and there wont be incentive to jump the fence. 

Perhaps you should invest some time into finding out exactly what are all these free goodies that Republicans think are handed out to illegal immigrants with no SSN.


Illegal immigrants will continue to come until GOP makes e-verify mandatory, cracks down on employers who hire illegals.  Funny how GOP is all tough talk on illegals but when given the chance to make it impossible for them to be hired without proper documentation, they refuse to vote for it.


Lot of sizzle and flash and outrage, but the reality is that the GOP loves cheap illegal labor - ask Trump.

I am a Libertarian.  I haven't voted on purpose for a GOP candidate since Ron Paul in the primaries 08/12.  Since 2004 I have voted against every incumbent from president to dog catcher.  This has included voting for Libertarian candidates when available OR since I live in a very red state typically I end up voting for Democrats. 

What part of this don't you understand? 

Just because I don't have a chinstrap installed at the dick of the Democrats doesn't mean I approve of the Republicans. 

As for freebies, I'm against taking from one to give to another.  It doesn't matter if that person is an illegal immigrant or citizen.  Freebies should come from charity, not from government stealing from one to give to another.  This includes the freebies the Democrats give their voters and those that Republicans give out to theirs. 

try typing slower...maybe that will help?  or throw in an "orange man bad" once in a while...

Am I that much of a political unicorn that I think both parties are full of a bunch of hacks that are in DC to enrich themselves and their buddies?

I like to do the isidewith.com tests every election. I think I came out with Jorgensen at 83% support, Trump at 70% and Biden at 67% or similar this past election. So there wasnt any candidate that blew me away. 
Yet the liberals here think if you can find things you agreed with Trump on that somehow youre some evil devil worshipper.  Hell, if the democrats ever got back to actually being antiwar I might even vote for them instead of against incumbents. 

As the only (?) other Libertarian here, I agree with you about both "main" parties...and actually can't fathom hating the country enough to support them.  I'm genuinely stumped that either pervy old geezer had support last November.  Stumped...and wickedly disappointed.

I actually don't see many real liberals around, anymore.  The modern left isn't liberalism, it's just its own crony power-mongering with a love for "cancelling" everyone that disagrees with them.  Up in Seattle, where I work, the absolute result of the modern left's efforts is seen in using mobs to get votes, allowing constant riots/damages, zero accountability, and enabling crime to spiral upward and out of any control.

The mayor of Seattle called the CHAZ/CHOP hostage situation a "summer of love"...as kids were executed and businesses were terrorized.  Said mayor mysteriously cleared out the squatters after her home had a mob visitation.

I left the GOP over 25 years ago, as I couldn't stand the stupidity, the arrogance, the homophobia, and the self-assured BS.  I'll never join the DNC, because it's shamelessly in bed with most of the media (married into it, literally, in some examples), uses its own brand of racism to manipulate minorities, and is the most vicious band of groupthink-wielding filth I've ever witnessed.  I actually fear that the ongoing mob and media tactics could be ethically worse...when fully realized...than either nazism or stalinism.  No, I don't stutter.

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Just an honest question for you unicorns.  In my efforts to understand others than myself, when it comes to the role of the US government, what is the difference between a Libertarian and an Anarchist.  Help me out, the more I read the less I can differentiate, the simple difference I see is the  fear of being poor. 

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@Zanary said:

@AGRforever said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@AGRforever said:

@SFVikeFan said:

@AGRforever said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@AGRforever said:

We have friends that own property very near the boarder.  I'm not going to even debate it here because everyone's mind is made up.  But until you talk to someone who has property and has their livelihood there you're probably making an uneducated assessment of the situation. 

Mexico is not paying for it?

Hey, until talking to them I was a 100% walls keep people out AND in guy.  I still lean that way.  Take the goodies away from everyone here and that is coming and there wont be incentive to jump the fence. 

Perhaps you should invest some time into finding out exactly what are all these free goodies that Republicans think are handed out to illegal immigrants with no SSN.


Illegal immigrants will continue to come until GOP makes e-verify mandatory, cracks down on employers who hire illegals.  Funny how GOP is all tough talk on illegals but when given the chance to make it impossible for them to be hired without proper documentation, they refuse to vote for it.


Lot of sizzle and flash and outrage, but the reality is that the GOP loves cheap illegal labor - ask Trump.

I am a Libertarian.  I haven't voted on purpose for a GOP candidate since Ron Paul in the primaries 08/12.  Since 2004 I have voted against every incumbent from president to dog catcher.  This has included voting for Libertarian candidates when available OR since I live in a very red state typically I end up voting for Democrats. 

What part of this don't you understand? 

Just because I don't have a chinstrap installed at the dick of the Democrats doesn't mean I approve of the Republicans. 

As for freebies, I'm against taking from one to give to another.  It doesn't matter if that person is an illegal immigrant or citizen.  Freebies should come from charity, not from government stealing from one to give to another.  This includes the freebies the Democrats give their voters and those that Republicans give out to theirs. 

try typing slower...maybe that will help?  or throw in an "orange man bad" once in a while...

Am I that much of a political unicorn that I think both parties are full of a bunch of hacks that are in DC to enrich themselves and their buddies?

I like to do the isidewith.com tests every election. I think I came out with Jorgensen at 83% support, Trump at 70% and Biden at 67% or similar this past election. So there wasnt any candidate that blew me away. 
Yet the liberals here think if you can find things you agreed with Trump on that somehow youre some evil devil worshipper.  Hell, if the democrats ever got back to actually being antiwar I might even vote for them instead of against incumbents. 

As the only (?) other Libertarian here, I agree with you about both "main" parties...and actually can't fathom hating the country enough to support them.  I'm genuinely stumped that either pervy old geezer had support last November.  Stumped...and wickedly disappointed.

I actually don't see many real liberals around, anymore.  The modern left isn't liberalism, it's just its own crony power-mongering with a love for "cancelling" everyone that disagrees with them.  Up in Seattle, where I work, the absolute result of the modern left's efforts is seen in using mobs to get votes, allowing constant riots/damages, zero accountability, and enabling crime to spiral upward and out of any control.

The mayor of Seattle called the CHAZ/CHOP hostage situation a "summer of love"...as kids were executed and businesses were terrorized.  Said mayor mysteriously cleared out the squatters after her home had a mob visitation.

I left the GOP over 25 years ago, as I couldn't stand the stupidity, the arrogance, the homophobia, and the self-assured BS.  I'll never join the DNC, because it's shamelessly in bed with most of the media (married into it, literally, in some examples), uses its own brand of racism to manipulate minorities, and is the most vicious band of groupthink-wielding filth I've ever witnessed.  I actually fear that the ongoing mob and media tactics could be ethically worse...when fully realized...than either nazism or stalinism.  No, I don't stutter.

Yeah but orange man bad.  He do bad bad things.  Make me unhappy. 

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@BigAl99 said:
Just an honest question for you unicorns.  In my efforts to understand others than myself, when it comes to the role of the US government, what is the difference between a Libertarian and an Anarchist.  Help me out, the more I read the less I can differentiate, the simple difference I see is the  fear of being poor. 

I would say there is a difference between a big L and little L libertarian within the party apparatus itself.  Its kind of why the party has never taken off....because libertarians can't even decide what/who one is and isn't.  To me our government's job is to protect life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and thats it.  While I hate the idea of government, I also acknowledge there is room for government involvement but limited in our day to day lives.  To me an anarchist would say there isn't room for government anywhere in our lives.  But, you have federal, state and local government.  The smallest option should always make the decision if they can reasonably do so.  So for example.  Lets take national defense.  It wouldn't make much sense to have NY City, Nashville TN and Minneapolis MN have their own army/navy/marines/space force etc.  National defense should be handled by a federal government because its most efficiently done there.  But something like minimum wage.  Its none of the federal governments damn business what minimum wage is.  They could lobby for something if they wanted but at a maximum its a states job but I'd even prefer it to be a local government job. 

But basically I'm a libertarian because there isn't a freedom/limited government caucus in the GOP anymore and the Democrats can't get out of their way long enough to put two sentences together without contradicting themselves.  I frankly see so little daylight between where the R's and D's stand
that to me its comical to argue about which is more evil.  That reason
alone is why I don't feel bad about voting for someone/against
incumbents regardless of party.

I believe in:
I believe in small government first and foremost. 

I am extremely fiscal conservative to the point we should never have federal debt. If we ever incur debt it should be nationally voted on prior to taking it out and paid back by the beneficiaries of said debt immediately. 

I am extremely anti-war.  Bring all the soldiers everywhere home today.  I think we should have a war tax.  If a battle is so righteous that it needs to be fought then we should also personally sacrifice and pay for it out of pocket. You can surcharge it right with MC/SS on wages.  I guarantee we'd fight less wars.

I'm pro-life because that baby is a person. (libertarians ague about this one CONSTANTLY)
I'm pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them.
Pro "your bedroom your business" (though 75 pronouns later is getting a tad ridiculous).  You either have an inny or an outy and I could care less what you want to do with it. 

After that??? I'm sure I'm missing some things but the rest is up to the individuals.  We should be helping out friends and neighbors when they need it.  We should be kind to one another.  Those that fly the "don't tread on me" flag better damn well understand what that means.  Its not just talking about the government its also talking about the individual and if you're so damn passionate about not being tread upon you better damn well not be treading on others. 

Your line isn't necessarily accurate because you can have parts of you that end up anywhere inside the political spectrum.  Heck you can be a freaking hardcore socialist on something and turn around and be its exact opposite on another issue.  Its why its so frustrating when we look at politics like there's only 2 options.  You're either a hardened democrat or a hardened republican?  LOL

This picture isn't perfect but its better then a line graph.  I'll do it in 10ths since you probably looking at this on a different screen.  I'd say that I fall 6/10s down from center towards anarchism, 8/10ths east of center towards capitalism and 3/10ths north of center towards traditional. 

To me your run of the mill modern democrat vs republican aren't very much different from one another.  D's are maybe 1/10th Up, 1/20th progressive and 4/10ths capitalist?  R's are 1/10th down, 3/10th traditional and 5/10ths capitalist?  At most theres some lip service to social issues between the two?  But both want government involvement in EVERYTHING. They want more wars, more debt and more power concentrated in the hands of a few. 

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@AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt and small military with no global standing. 

 I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay. 
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them"  that's kind of feel good position.  Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph? 

I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies.  But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away.  Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists. 

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As is mentioned, Libertarianism is tough to pin down.  I consider myself a Libertarian "realist", because I'm very well aware that convincing over 300 million people to simply abandon government programs is, well, full-on bonkers.  Would I like much less government?  YES.  That said, I've yet to see, across many Libertarian pages and groups, real solutions for any sudden removals.

I'm pro choice, insomuch that I only understand my life, my situation(s), and my mind/emotions...so, I'm disinclined to tell others what to do with potential offspring.  I will say that I find abortion, in general, a brutally difficult subject and find some of the flippant remarks about it on all sides to be disgusting.  My ex and I made a choice, and he's 26, wearing our country's uniform and the best young man I can imagine.

Do I want to end welfare, etc?  Only if and after I've been shown how it will be better handled by the private sector.  I don't want some Darwinian disaster to befall the country, but I don't trust either the Republicrats or the Demoplicans to accomplish anything but their own agendas.

The massive identity problem facing the Libertarian Party right now is, in my honest opinion, a horrifying infiltration of anarchists...who are NOT Libertarians.  The party is for limiting government, not abolishing it...but that's not what you read on their social media pages, lately.  That, and the press' determination to ignore anyone but the "big, treasonous 2", is why Jo Jorgensen, far and away the best candidate for President last year (not facing rape charges, no hideous racism in her past, not a vacuous waste of space like BidUmp), got less voter percentage than Gary Johnson did.  She's brilliant, and I truly hope she runs again.

I want laws simplified, I want much less overreach, I want accountability and transparency...and Edward Snowden pardoned, with all resources returned to him.

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@BigAl99 said:
@AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing. 

 I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay. 
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them"  that's kind of feel good position.  Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph? 

I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies.  But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away.  Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists. 

Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really????  Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved.  You asked, I gave you an honest answer.  Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag. 

As for children.  What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex?  If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me.  With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions.  Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh? 

There is no gotcha's in 11-27.  The constitution was meant to be modified.  Its been modified via amendment 27 times.  Don't like a part of it?  Modify it again.  That's why the process exists. 

I guess my life isn't complex at all.  I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets.  Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am.  Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective.  I'm now a progressive democratic socialist.  I can feel the BERN can you???!!!  I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though.  Whats for dinner?????  :/