OT . . . Girl that was murdered by police, found to not be murdered by police

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@Skodin said:

@AGRforever said:
Further discussion on this.  If you're a cop WTF are you doing going on a no knock raid in the middle of the night to a black persons home with an itchy trigger finger??  There is no chance in hell that I'm signing up for that one.  Way to many bad things could happen. 

See . .  divided opinions can come together on common sense here.  1 of 12 witnesses allegedly heard the words "police" being yelled, 1 of 12 and if you know anything about witnesses/eye witnesses they sadly aren't as credible as we hope they can be.  No body cams, what's the point of having them?

I don't fully go the race route because to me race is the flavor in this case of the abuse of power that the police exert.  Trust me, I've seen the terrible video of the "domestic abuse call" in Arizona where a registered gun owner comes out of his apartment door, gun in hand not knowing who is at the door and is shot multiple times in front of his girlfriend.  He was white, to me it screams abuse of power.  

The system has been infiltrated with rot (many reasons why) and the laws are wrong.  It is insane that the only charge levied here was the equivalent of someone getting arrested for having LSD on them.  That's the class felony this one PO will have to face for putting a bullet into someone's house.  

They will face no repercussions for putting it a bullet into a human though

Yeah, I haven't really read up on this one.  If 1/12 say it happened and body cams are a thing in Louisville, I'm taking the side of the 11/12 there is absolutely no reason to have not taken one with unless they don't have any in the city, and frankly at that point if my department didn't have them I think I'd iphone record the whole thing if I were forced into being one of those cops that night. 

I brought up race because its.....not sure how to say this without pissing someone off.....its kinda F@cked up/twisted that the one cop that got charges is ONLY getting charged because he missed. Had his bullet hit the guy or the gal that died he would have been exonerated. 

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@mblack said:
I can't help but notice how this topic is being avoided. Where are all the folks that have been saying the justice system is not stacked against non whites and there is no white privilege? It would be nice to hear them defend this or would they take the "I will wait for more information excuse"?
The sad part is this outcome was predicted. It will unfortunately be the same for the Floyd case. They will fine a way to let the cops go free if nothing is done. 

Sorry I didn't answer fast enough for you.   

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Devil is always in the details...  Grand jury records are sealed.  What additional information do they have which helped to form their decision?  We don't know.  Rushing to judgement without that information does not seem wise...

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@IDVikingfan said:
Devil is always in the details...  Grand jury records are sealed.  What additional information do they have which helped to form their decision?  We don't know.  Rushing to judgement without that information does not seem wise...

Right, I understand the sealed records but if you want all this to go away wear a @#$%&*(*&%%# body cam.  I'd be more on the cops side (since they're returning fire) if they had a video of them saying "Louisville Police put your hands up" even though I disagree with no knock warrants.  But if it is true that 11/12 witnesses said they didn't say who they were and their is not audio, you have to go with the 11 vs the 1 don't you?

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@AGRforever said:

@IDVikingfan said:
Devil is always in the details...  Grand jury records are sealed.  What additional information do they have which helped to form their decision?  We don't know.  Rushing to judgement without that information does not seem wise...

Right, I understand the sealed records but if you want all this to go away wear a @#$%&*(*&%%# body cam.  I'd be more on the cops side (since they're returning fire) if they had a video of them saying "Louisville Police put your hands up" even though I disagree with no knock warrants.  But if it is true that 11/12 witnesses said they didn't say who they were and their is not audio, you have to go with the 11 vs the 1 don't you?

True, the 11/12 would suggest cops didn't identify.  Wonder if there is more in grand jury testimony on this issue?

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@IDVikingfan said:

@AGRforever said:

@IDVikingfan said:
Devil is always in the details...  Grand jury records are sealed.  What additional information do they have which helped to form their decision?  We don't know.  Rushing to judgement without that information does not seem wise...

Right, I understand the sealed records but if you want all this to go away wear a @#$%&*(*&%%# body cam.  I'd be more on the cops side (since they're returning fire) if they had a video of them saying "Louisville Police put your hands up" even though I disagree with no knock warrants.  But if it is true that 11/12 witnesses said they didn't say who they were and their is not audio, you have to go with the 11 vs the 1 don't you?

True, the 11/12 would suggest cops didn't identify.  Wonder if there is more in grand jury testimony on this issue?

This is another example of how grand juries are almost exclusively used as a method for prosecutors to launder unpopular political and prosecutorial decisions through the guis of a neutral 3rd parties.  The politicians behind this are almost as complicit in the nightmare of this.  Cops take the public heat for decisions made behind the scenes.

judges and prosecutors are 100% responsible with cops getting away with crimes and deserve the public heat as much as PDS.

With everything we know so far, I have zero belief in the PD over the neighbors accounts based on every other action the system made in this process.  Taylor and her boyfriend CALLED 911 TO GET THE POLICE there because they believed it was a home invasion.

Zero charges for:
lying in a police report about injures
failing to administer aid
wrongful imprisonment
conspiracy to bring unlawful charges against the boyfriend
failure for use of body cams

Just a charge for:
shooting blindly into an apartment despite the PD being the aggressor

Imagine if there were children in those rooms that they sprayed numerous bullets into

The system is fucked

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@IDVikingfan said:
Devil is always in the details...  Grand jury records are sealed.  What additional information do they have which helped to form their decision?  We don't know.  Rushing to judgement without that information does not seem wise...

What other information do you need to condemn the poor actions of the judicial system and police here?  

The facts of the case are pretty clear. 

8% of witnesses potentially corroborated the PD's statement of yelling police and that testimony wasn't even 100% certain they heard it.

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When more value is placed on a door than the life of a human being, that's messed up. I am not surprised by the outcome but I am saddened and disgusted by it. No justice, no accountability, no consequences. When there is that much power without fear that anything negative will happen, the odds that it will be abused increase. 

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@Skodin said:

@IDVikingfan said:
Devil is always in the details...  Grand jury records are sealed.  What additional information do they have which helped to form their decision?  We don't know.  Rushing to judgement without that information does not seem wise...

What other information do you need to condemn the poor actions of the judicial system and police here?  

The facts of the case are pretty clear. 

8% of witnesses potentially corroborated the PD's statement of yelling police and that testimony wasn't even 100% certain they heard it.

What information was gained in grand jury testimony that turned the tide?  We don't know.  Perhaps they're a bad grand jury or perhaps they have new testimony that provides justification for their decision.  Shrug, I don't know.

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@IDVikingfan said:

@Skodin said:

@IDVikingfan said:
Devil is always in the details...  Grand jury records are sealed.  What additional information do they have which helped to form their decision?  We don't know.  Rushing to judgement without that information does not seem wise...

What other information do you need to condemn the poor actions of the judicial system and police here?  

The facts of the case are pretty clear. 

8% of witnesses potentially corroborated the PD's statement of yelling police and that testimony wasn't even 100% certain they heard it.

What information was gained in grand jury testimony that turned the tide?  We don't know.  Perhaps they're a bad grand jury or perhaps they have new testimony that provides justification for their decision.  Shrug, I don't know.

The mere fact that you seem OK with not knowing and stating so multiple times and trusting a seemingly vastly unpopular outcome is disturbing. One would think you would at the very least be advocating for clarity. Everything we know so far and the outcome all call for a review of the system or at the very least more clarity. From your posts above it seems society should just accept the outcome because... "we don't know" what happened behind "closed doors" even though everything about it is questionable.