Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ kmillard said:
All that WR talent and only one real pick. Vikings are still lacking a real downfield threat that teams need to respect.
Early on, I thought the Vikings might double dip into the receiver group, too. But then I remembered something and took all of the 2nd receivers out of my mocks....
Kubiak's WR3 has averaged about 25 receptions a season. Yes, that's not per game, that's per SEASON. In a Kubiak offense, the 2nd TE sees more attention than the WR3. And he typically only keeps 4 receivers.
And don't forget that the Vikings added Tajae Sharpe, who was a starter at Tennessee. So Vikings depth at receiver is Thielen, Hunter, Bisi and Tajae Sharpe. That's probably going to be the four who make the roster. Adding anyone else would require cutting one of the above and that's not likely to happen.
Outside looking in are Beebe, Hollins, Davis and MItchell.
Getting someone with some speed still would have been nice. Sharpe is meh and is too much like they already have. I thought the double dipping would have been good this year and they had the capital to do it, and address G or 3T. It is what it is for this year.
Quote: @kmillard said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ kmillard said:
All that WR talent and only one real pick. Vikings are still lacking a real downfield threat that teams need to respect.
Early on, I thought the Vikings might double dip into the receiver group, too. But then I remembered something and took all of the 2nd receivers out of my mocks....
Kubiak's WR3 has averaged about 25 receptions a season. Yes, that's not per game, that's per SEASON. In a Kubiak offense, the 2nd TE sees more attention than the WR3. And he typically only keeps 4 receivers.
And don't forget that the Vikings added Tajae Sharpe, who was a starter at Tennessee. So Vikings depth at receiver is Thielen, Hunter, Bisi and Tajae Sharpe. That's probably going to be the four who make the roster. Adding anyone else would require cutting one of the above and that's not likely to happen.
Outside looking in are Beebe, Hollins, Davis and MItchell.
Getting someone with some speed still would have been nice. Sharpe is meh and is too much like they already have. I thought the double dipping would have been good this year and they had the capital to do it, and address G or 3T. It is what it is for this year.
Sharpe isn't very fast, but he's a precise route runner. Like Thielen and JJ (don't know why I called him Justin Hunter before LOL). And Bisi come to think of it. Vikings have 4 receivers who Cousins can count on to get separation and be where they're supposed to be.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ kmillard said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ kmillard said:
All that WR talent and only one real pick. Vikings are still lacking a real downfield threat that teams need to respect.
Early on, I thought the Vikings might double dip into the receiver group, too. But then I remembered something and took all of the 2nd receivers out of my mocks....
Kubiak's WR3 has averaged about 25 receptions a season. Yes, that's not per game, that's per SEASON. In a Kubiak offense, the 2nd TE sees more attention than the WR3. And he typically only keeps 4 receivers.
And don't forget that the Vikings added Tajae Sharpe, who was a starter at Tennessee. So Vikings depth at receiver is Thielen, Hunter, Bisi and Tajae Sharpe. That's probably going to be the four who make the roster. Adding anyone else would require cutting one of the above and that's not likely to happen.
Outside looking in are Beebe, Hollins, Davis and MItchell.
Getting someone with some speed still would have been nice. Sharpe is meh and is too much like they already have. I thought the double dipping would have been good this year and they had the capital to do it, and address G or 3T. It is what it is for this year.
Sharpe isn't very fast, but he's a precise route runner. Like Thielen and JJ (don't know why I called him Justin Hunter before LOL). And Bisi come to think of it. Vikings have 4 receivers who Cousins can count on to get separation and be where they're supposed to be.
would have looked real nice with Devin Duvernay in the mix)
I like what Spielman did in the draft for the most part. As mentioned by quite a few others, I was disappointed we did not grab a decent G or DL in the 3rd instead of trading back, but not surprised as Spielman has always gone for quantity of opportunities. It seemed to me that if you wanted a good guard in this draft, you would have to take one in rounds 1 - 3, while there were pretty good CB options well into the 5th and 6th rounds. Overall pretty please as a fan, though. I think time will show this to be a very good draft.
As for the Packers, I firmly believe time will show this as a complete bust of a draft (maybe sooner than later as it seems to have the shown Rodgers that the new GM does not regard his input as carrying much weight and almost seemed like they were making decision to spite him). Will be fun drama to view unfold. I watched quite a few Utah St. games and Love is surprisingly inaccurate when the pressure is on and also when he is outside the pocket. Seems prone to making bonehead decisions. I am no draft guru, but there are some guys that I get to watch often enough to get a good feel for their talents and this guy does not have the "it" factor at all, imo. I enjoyed watching the Packers fumble their draft away almost as much as watching our successes in the same draft.
I'm still laughing at the sheer ineptitude of green bay...
You are 1 game away from the Super Bowl and in desperate need for a legit WR to pair with Adams, with a WR draft class for the ages, and you:
Draft a QB who at best sees the field in 2023
A RB who starts the year as a 3rd stringer
A TE you want to convert to a FB
Their draft smells worse than Kaukauna.
Our first four picks were heaven sent. The board played out beautifully and Rick took advantage of it.
After that, the only pick I really disliked was Osburn with many better options. Dye, Wonnum, and Lynch were my favorite adds. Dye could replace Kearse as the big nickel. Wonnum comes in with a lot of similar traits to Hunter. Long arms, big mitts, and no real plan on how to rush the QB. I can see why Dre wanted him. Lynch was super productive with limited skills and athleticism. White not motor.
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
What strikes me about the Vikings draft year after year are the number of draftees who were captains of their respective teams: Brian Cole, Nate Stanley, Kenny Willekes, Josh Metellus, Blake Brandel, KJ Osborn (one game), Troy Dye (9 games), James Lynch, DJ Wonnum (starting as a sophomore) and Gladney (2 games). Basically, everyone from round 4 to the Vikings final pick had acted as team captain at one point.
Geoff has mentioned before that the Vikings have really honed in their analytics formula for late round picks. I'm sure they have certain physical traits they look for to identify guys at each position, but I think this could be one as well.
And if you think about it... it makes sense. Most of the late round picks are guys that need to make the roster by playing special teams while they develop. Guys who are team captains obviously became captains because they exhibit good leadership traits in the locker room, are team guys, have a strong work ethic, etc. Sounds like the perfect mentality for a late round pick to have... especially if they need to do the dirty work in their rookie season.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ VikingOracle said:
What strikes me about the Vikings draft year after year are the number of draftees who were captains of their respective teams: Brian Cole, Nate Stanley, Kenny Willekes, Josh Metellus, Blake Brandel, KJ Osborn (one game), Troy Dye (9 games), James Lynch, DJ Wonnum (starting as a sophomore) and Gladney (2 games). Basically, everyone from round 4 to the Vikings final pick had acted as team captain at one point.
Geoff has mentioned before that the Vikings have really honed in their analytics formula for late round picks. I'm sure they have certain physical traits they look for to identify guys at each position, but I think this could be one as well.
And if you think about it... it makes sense. Most of the late round picks are guys that need to make the roster by playing special teams while they develop. Guys who are team captains obviously became captains because they exhibit good leadership traits in the locker room, are team guys, have a strong work ethic, etc. Sounds like the perfect mentality for a late round pick to have... especially if they need to do the dirty work in their rookie season.
In researching this, I ran into a few articles about the Patriots. Here is one quote: "For example, the Patriots value players who were solid leaders and/or captains in college." In that article for a mock draft, the person had the Patriots selecting Cleveland in the first and Wonnum in the 6th.
Quote: @kmillard said:
All that WR talent and only one real pick. Vikings are still lacking a real downfield threat that teams need to respect.
Don't worry. Cousins won't have time to throw deep anyway with all that pressure up the middle over the left guard!
Hmmm. I actually thought this was a very 'unanalytics' draft. Even before Zimmer arrived Spielman has always preferred what I call the RPA. Raw Plus Athlete who's collegiate production didn't match the eye-popping physical skills.
Hunter, Weatherly, Odenigbo, Holmes, Waynes, Kearse, Barr, Diggs, O'Neill. Those are the ones that worked out. There have plenty who didn't. High Risk/High Reward approach. Gutsy. Has yielded a ton of talent.
This year feels like the complete opposite. Full of high producing, high motor, experienced and many cases sort of finished growing type players. That are distinctly Not Plus Athletes.
Wonnum, Lynch, Osborn, Brendel, Willekes and Cole are all NPAs. Some will argue that DJ is, that's fine. This is a whole lot of High Floor/Low Ceiling guys. Who produced a ton in college. Played a lot of Games. Played a lot of snaps. Made a lot of plays. Motor is unquestionable.
I don't see anything like even an Aruna or Odenigbo or Weatherly in this Draft. Why such a 180 swing? It has to be a combination of factors: too many Rookies needed to contribute early means less room to gamble on RPAs that need at least a year or two before they become productive. A lack of Offseason program and what is likely to be a vastly truncated Training Camp.
I'm going to throw another out there that I want folks to think about. A void in Leadership. Minnesota has a nasty habit of coming out flat in big games. Everson was a vocal leader. Kearse and Mac and Rhodes and Diggs were big talkers. That doesn't remotely mean they were leaders like Griff, but it does help fire up a team of soft-spoken men like Smith, Kendricks and Hunter.
These 4th Round and on Rookies aren't necessarily smack-talkers, the Safeties aside, but they all look like fiery leaders on tape. Lynch, the 'Big Ginger'. Wonnum. Willekes. Dye. Making plays, firing up their teammates. They will come in and bring instant enthusiasm, which isn't necessarily easy to do when you're a RPA that didn't do much in college.
That was my biggest takeaway. High Performers vs. Raw Plus Athletes.
i was in the chat to double dip for a wr starting in the fourth .osburn i think will be the punt returner. we allknow what a cicus that was last year.as for another wr maybe the vikings are really high on hollins
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