Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
what just makes me smack my head is that we arent even a decade removed from being handcuffed by our last over priced RB. It was discussed ad nauseum about how spending top money on a RB doesnt make good financial sense in the NFL where a quality OL can make an average back look all pro. Cook is a damn good back, but put that money in to the OL and you will see any back perform at a similar level and will be able to afford several of them with money left over for other areas.
honestly I am not sure why anybody with pro aspirations would want to play RB, shortest careers of any position and its becoming pretty widely accepted that they arent worth their big dollar contracts.
Sucks that we keep drafting so well.
I disagree that "any back" would perform at a similar level. However, I do think the Cook contract is worthy of debate. Grab a 4th round back from the draft and with him, Mattison and Boone, you could easily duplicate what the 49ers had this year. Mostly, I just want to wait and see what Cook does in 2020 behind what should be a much better line. And it's not like we have to make that decision this off season.
if only they could harness that RB draft momentum and use it to fix more pressing areas of need.... for the last decade.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Sucks that we keep drafting so well.
I disagree that "any back" would perform at a similar level. However, I do think the Cook contract is worthy of debate. Grab a 4th round back from the draft and with him, Mattison and Boone, you could easily duplicate what the 49ers had this year. Mostly, I just want to wait and see what Cook does in 2020 behind what should be a much better line. And it's not like we have to make that decision this off season.
This is kind of where I am at... there is no questioning Cook's talent, he's a game changer in this offense. The injuries really give me pause though... look no further than another FSU RB with a similar playing style in Devonta Freeman. He was deadly in that Shanahan offense with the Falcons. Then he got a big contract, Shanahan left, and injuries have kept him from living up to it.
I would hold off on extensions for both Cook and Kirk. This coming season is going to determine a lot I think... if both play well and we make some more noise in the playoffs, I think the whole band stays together (including Spielman and Zimmer). If it doesn't go as expected, you don't want to be saddled with some large contracts for a veteran QB and an injury prone RB if you need to start a rebuild.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
what just makes me smack my head is that we arent even a decade removed from being handcuffed by our last over priced RB. It was discussed ad nauseum about how spending top money on a RB doesnt make good financial sense in the NFL where a quality OL can make an average back look all pro. Cook is a damn good back, but put that money in to the OL and you will see any back perform at a similar level and will be able to afford several of them with money left over for other areas.
honestly I am not sure why anybody with pro aspirations would want to play RB, shortest careers of any position and its becoming pretty widely accepted that they arent worth their big dollar contracts.
Sucks that we keep drafting so well.
I disagree that "any back" would perform at a similar level. However, I do think the Cook contract is worthy of debate. Grab a 4th round back from the draft and with him, Mattison and Boone, you could easily duplicate what the 49ers had this year. Mostly, I just want to wait and see what Cook does in 2020 behind what should be a much better line. And it's not like we have to make that decision this off season.
if only they could harness that RB draft momentum and use it to fix more pressing areas of need.... for the last decade.
Well, we've also had a lot of bad luck on the line, losing Loadholt, who, remarkably, is still 4 years younger than either Jason Peters or Whitworth. Then there was that guy all set to start who had the brain thing. Some bad decisions (Remmers) and picks (Elflein, Beavers) as well. Thought Elflein might be more in the bad luck category. Dude won the Rimington for Chrissakes. Not sure what's up his ass.
For the most part, I wouldn't bother with OL picks on day three (maybe Udoh will break that). And don't waste a 1st rounder on OL either. But every damn year, use one day two pick on an OL.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
what just makes me smack my head is that we arent even a decade removed from being handcuffed by our last over priced RB. It was discussed ad nauseum about how spending top money on a RB doesnt make good financial sense in the NFL where a quality OL can make an average back look all pro. Cook is a damn good back, but put that money in to the OL and you will see any back perform at a similar level and will be able to afford several of them with money left over for other areas.
honestly I am not sure why anybody with pro aspirations would want to play RB, shortest careers of any position and its becoming pretty widely accepted that they arent worth their big dollar contracts.
Sucks that we keep drafting so well.
I disagree that "any back" would perform at a similar level. However, I do think the Cook contract is worthy of debate. Grab a 4th round back from the draft and with him, Mattison and Boone, you could easily duplicate what the 49ers had this year. Mostly, I just want to wait and see what Cook does in 2020 behind what should be a much better line. And it's not like we have to make that decision this off season.
if only they could harness that RB draft momentum and use it to fix more pressing areas of need.... for the last decade.
Well, we've also had a lot of bad luck on the line, losing Loadholt, who, remarkably, is still 4 years younger than either Jason Peters or Whitworth. Then there was that guy all set to start who had the brain thing. Some bad decisions (Remmers) and picks (Elflein, Beavers) as well. Thought Elflein might be more in the bad luck category. Dude won the Rimington for Chrissakes. Not sure what's up his ass.
For the most part, I wouldn't bother with OL picks on day three (maybe Udoh will break that). And don't waste a 1st rounder on OL either. But every damn year, use one day two pick on an OL.
and when you get behind, like they are now, they need to double down. Rick can think taking 1 player a year at OL will dig him out of the hole they are in. Unfortunately we have multiple areas of need right now, and with the cap being where it is... they are going to really need to pull a rabbit out of their ass IMO to get this team back in the playoff hunt next year.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
what just makes me smack my head is that we arent even a decade removed from being handcuffed by our last over priced RB. It was discussed ad nauseum about how spending top money on a RB doesnt make good financial sense in the NFL where a quality OL can make an average back look all pro. Cook is a damn good back, but put that money in to the OL and you will see any back perform at a similar level and will be able to afford several of them with money left over for other areas.
honestly I am not sure why anybody with pro aspirations would want to play RB, shortest careers of any position and its becoming pretty widely accepted that they arent worth their big dollar contracts.
Sucks that we keep drafting so well.
I disagree that "any back" would perform at a similar level. However, I do think the Cook contract is worthy of debate. Grab a 4th round back from the draft and with him, Mattison and Boone, you could easily duplicate what the 49ers had this year. Mostly, I just want to wait and see what Cook does in 2020 behind what should be a much better line. And it's not like we have to make that decision this off season.
if only they could harness that RB draft momentum and use it to fix more pressing areas of need.... for the last decade.
Well, we've also had a lot of bad luck on the line, losing Loadholt, who, remarkably, is still 4 years younger than either Jason Peters or Whitworth. Then there was that guy all set to start who had the brain thing. Some bad decisions (Remmers) and picks (Elflein, Beavers) as well. Thought Elflein might be more in the bad luck category. Dude won the Rimington for Chrissakes. Not sure what's up his ass.
For the most part, I wouldn't bother with OL picks on day three (maybe Udoh will break that). And don't waste a 1st rounder on OL either. But every damn year, use one day two pick on an OL.
and when you get behind, like they are now, they need to double down. Rick can think taking 1 player a year at OL will dig him out of the hole they are in. Unfortunately we have multiple areas of need right now, and with the cap being where it is... they are going to really need to pull a rabbit out of their ass IMO to get this team back in the playoff hunt next year.
I think the OL is better shape going into '20 than it's been in some time. If you really think it's in a hole that requires climbing out from, I have a feeling this offseason is really going to piss you off.
It wouldn't surprise me TOO much if the Vikings go into '20 with their existing line, albeit reshuffled--O'Neill, Reiff (or Samia), Bradbury, Kline, Udoh (or Collins) and then spend whatever resources they have on holes elsewhere. Plenty to choose from.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
what just makes me smack my head is that we arent even a decade removed from being handcuffed by our last over priced RB. It was discussed ad nauseum about how spending top money on a RB doesnt make good financial sense in the NFL where a quality OL can make an average back look all pro. Cook is a damn good back, but put that money in to the OL and you will see any back perform at a similar level and will be able to afford several of them with money left over for other areas.
honestly I am not sure why anybody with pro aspirations would want to play RB, shortest careers of any position and its becoming pretty widely accepted that they arent worth their big dollar contracts.
Sucks that we keep drafting so well.
I disagree that "any back" would perform at a similar level. However, I do think the Cook contract is worthy of debate. Grab a 4th round back from the draft and with him, Mattison and Boone, you could easily duplicate what the 49ers had this year. Mostly, I just want to wait and see what Cook does in 2020 behind what should be a much better line. And it's not like we have to make that decision this off season.
if only they could harness that RB draft momentum and use it to fix more pressing areas of need.... for the last decade.
Well, we've also had a lot of bad luck on the line, losing Loadholt, who, remarkably, is still 4 years younger than either Jason Peters or Whitworth. Then there was that guy all set to start who had the brain thing. Some bad decisions (Remmers) and picks (Elflein, Beavers) as well. Thought Elflein might be more in the bad luck category. Dude won the Rimington for Chrissakes. Not sure what's up his ass.
For the most part, I wouldn't bother with OL picks on day three (maybe Udoh will break that). And don't waste a 1st rounder on OL either. But every damn year, use one day two pick on an OL.
and when you get behind, like they are now, they need to double down. Rick can think taking 1 player a year at OL will dig him out of the hole they are in. Unfortunately we have multiple areas of need right now, and with the cap being where it is... they are going to really need to pull a rabbit out of their ass IMO to get this team back in the playoff hunt next year.
I think the OL is better shape going into '20 than it's been in some time. If you really think it's in a hole that requires climbing out from, I have a feeling this offseason is really going to piss you off.
It wouldn't surprise me TOO much if the Vikings go into '20 with their existing line, albeit reshuffled--O'Neill, Reiff (or Samia), Bradbury, Kline, Udoh (or Collins) and then spend whatever resources they have on holes elsewhere. Plenty to choose from.
I've gotten used to being pissed off. Going back to Barr over Donald and a few other times when they have ignored talent on the lines for other positions.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
what just makes me smack my head is that we arent even a decade removed from being handcuffed by our last over priced RB. It was discussed ad nauseum about how spending top money on a RB doesnt make good financial sense in the NFL where a quality OL can make an average back look all pro. Cook is a damn good back, but put that money in to the OL and you will see any back perform at a similar level and will be able to afford several of them with money left over for other areas.
honestly I am not sure why anybody with pro aspirations would want to play RB, shortest careers of any position and its becoming pretty widely accepted that they arent worth their big dollar contracts.
Sucks that we keep drafting so well.
I disagree that "any back" would perform at a similar level. However, I do think the Cook contract is worthy of debate. Grab a 4th round back from the draft and with him, Mattison and Boone, you could easily duplicate what the 49ers had this year. Mostly, I just want to wait and see what Cook does in 2020 behind what should be a much better line. And it's not like we have to make that decision this off season.
if only they could harness that RB draft momentum and use it to fix more pressing areas of need.... for the last decade.
Well, we've also had a lot of bad luck on the line, losing Loadholt, who, remarkably, is still 4 years younger than either Jason Peters or Whitworth. Then there was that guy all set to start who had the brain thing. Some bad decisions (Remmers) and picks (Elflein, Beavers) as well. Thought Elflein might be more in the bad luck category. Dude won the Rimington for Chrissakes. Not sure what's up his ass.
For the most part, I wouldn't bother with OL picks on day three (maybe Udoh will break that). And don't waste a 1st rounder on OL either. But every damn year, use one day two pick on an OL.
and when you get behind, like they are now, they need to double down. Rick can think taking 1 player a year at OL will dig him out of the hole they are in. Unfortunately we have multiple areas of need right now, and with the cap being where it is... they are going to really need to pull a rabbit out of their ass IMO to get this team back in the playoff hunt next year.
I think the OL is better shape going into '20 than it's been in some time. If you really think it's in a hole that requires climbing out from, I have a feeling this offseason is really going to piss you off.
It wouldn't surprise me TOO much if the Vikings go into '20 with their existing line, albeit reshuffled--O'Neill, Reiff (or Samia), Bradbury, Kline, Udoh (or Collins) and then spend whatever resources they have on holes elsewhere. Plenty to choose from.
I've gotten used to being pissed off. Going back to Barr over Donald and a few other times when they have ignored talent on the lines for other positions.
We had Floyd though at the time when Donald was available. At the time Floyd was our 3T and we didn't need one and IIRC we didn't either know about the extent of the knee then or he was expected to be good to go. Also, no one could have expected Donald to be that big of a monster.
Barr does a ton for the defense and allows many others opportunities because of it.
Quote: @Canthony said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
what just makes me smack my head is that we arent even a decade removed from being handcuffed by our last over priced RB. It was discussed ad nauseum about how spending top money on a RB doesnt make good financial sense in the NFL where a quality OL can make an average back look all pro. Cook is a damn good back, but put that money in to the OL and you will see any back perform at a similar level and will be able to afford several of them with money left over for other areas.
honestly I am not sure why anybody with pro aspirations would want to play RB, shortest careers of any position and its becoming pretty widely accepted that they arent worth their big dollar contracts.
Sucks that we keep drafting so well.
I disagree that "any back" would perform at a similar level. However, I do think the Cook contract is worthy of debate. Grab a 4th round back from the draft and with him, Mattison and Boone, you could easily duplicate what the 49ers had this year. Mostly, I just want to wait and see what Cook does in 2020 behind what should be a much better line. And it's not like we have to make that decision this off season.
if only they could harness that RB draft momentum and use it to fix more pressing areas of need.... for the last decade.
Well, we've also had a lot of bad luck on the line, losing Loadholt, who, remarkably, is still 4 years younger than either Jason Peters or Whitworth. Then there was that guy all set to start who had the brain thing. Some bad decisions (Remmers) and picks (Elflein, Beavers) as well. Thought Elflein might be more in the bad luck category. Dude won the Rimington for Chrissakes. Not sure what's up his ass.
For the most part, I wouldn't bother with OL picks on day three (maybe Udoh will break that). And don't waste a 1st rounder on OL either. But every damn year, use one day two pick on an OL.
and when you get behind, like they are now, they need to double down. Rick can think taking 1 player a year at OL will dig him out of the hole they are in. Unfortunately we have multiple areas of need right now, and with the cap being where it is... they are going to really need to pull a rabbit out of their ass IMO to get this team back in the playoff hunt next year.
I think the OL is better shape going into '20 than it's been in some time. If you really think it's in a hole that requires climbing out from, I have a feeling this offseason is really going to piss you off.
It wouldn't surprise me TOO much if the Vikings go into '20 with their existing line, albeit reshuffled--O'Neill, Reiff (or Samia), Bradbury, Kline, Udoh (or Collins) and then spend whatever resources they have on holes elsewhere. Plenty to choose from.
I've gotten used to being pissed off. Going back to Barr over Donald and a few other times when they have ignored talent on the lines for other positions.
We had Floyd though at the time when Donald was available. At the time Floyd was our 3T and we didn't need one and IIRC we didn't either know about the extent of the knee then or he was expected to be good to go. Also, no one could have expected Donald to be that big of a monster.
Barr does a ton for the defense and allows many others opportunities because of it.
I was banging the table for Donald at the time, there were a lot of people that predicted Donald to be the monster he became.
speaking of Floyd though, anybody ever hear how his lawsuit against andrews turned out?
Quote: @Canthony said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
what just makes me smack my head is that we arent even a decade removed from being handcuffed by our last over priced RB. It was discussed ad nauseum about how spending top money on a RB doesnt make good financial sense in the NFL where a quality OL can make an average back look all pro. Cook is a damn good back, but put that money in to the OL and you will see any back perform at a similar level and will be able to afford several of them with money left over for other areas.
honestly I am not sure why anybody with pro aspirations would want to play RB, shortest careers of any position and its becoming pretty widely accepted that they arent worth their big dollar contracts.
Sucks that we keep drafting so well.
I disagree that "any back" would perform at a similar level. However, I do think the Cook contract is worthy of debate. Grab a 4th round back from the draft and with him, Mattison and Boone, you could easily duplicate what the 49ers had this year. Mostly, I just want to wait and see what Cook does in 2020 behind what should be a much better line. And it's not like we have to make that decision this off season.
if only they could harness that RB draft momentum and use it to fix more pressing areas of need.... for the last decade.
Well, we've also had a lot of bad luck on the line, losing Loadholt, who, remarkably, is still 4 years younger than either Jason Peters or Whitworth. Then there was that guy all set to start who had the brain thing. Some bad decisions (Remmers) and picks (Elflein, Beavers) as well. Thought Elflein might be more in the bad luck category. Dude won the Rimington for Chrissakes. Not sure what's up his ass.
For the most part, I wouldn't bother with OL picks on day three (maybe Udoh will break that). And don't waste a 1st rounder on OL either. But every damn year, use one day two pick on an OL.
and when you get behind, like they are now, they need to double down. Rick can think taking 1 player a year at OL will dig him out of the hole they are in. Unfortunately we have multiple areas of need right now, and with the cap being where it is... they are going to really need to pull a rabbit out of their ass IMO to get this team back in the playoff hunt next year.
I think the OL is better shape going into '20 than it's been in some time. If you really think it's in a hole that requires climbing out from, I have a feeling this offseason is really going to piss you off.
It wouldn't surprise me TOO much if the Vikings go into '20 with their existing line, albeit reshuffled--O'Neill, Reiff (or Samia), Bradbury, Kline, Udoh (or Collins) and then spend whatever resources they have on holes elsewhere. Plenty to choose from.
I've gotten used to being pissed off. Going back to Barr over Donald and a few other times when they have ignored talent on the lines for other positions. Also, no one could have expected Donald to be that big of a monster.
Um...
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Canthony said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
what just makes me smack my head is that we arent even a decade removed from being handcuffed by our last over priced RB. It was discussed ad nauseum about how spending top money on a RB doesnt make good financial sense in the NFL where a quality OL can make an average back look all pro. Cook is a damn good back, but put that money in to the OL and you will see any back perform at a similar level and will be able to afford several of them with money left over for other areas.
honestly I am not sure why anybody with pro aspirations would want to play RB, shortest careers of any position and its becoming pretty widely accepted that they arent worth their big dollar contracts.
Sucks that we keep drafting so well.
I disagree that "any back" would perform at a similar level. However, I do think the Cook contract is worthy of debate. Grab a 4th round back from the draft and with him, Mattison and Boone, you could easily duplicate what the 49ers had this year. Mostly, I just want to wait and see what Cook does in 2020 behind what should be a much better line. And it's not like we have to make that decision this off season.
if only they could harness that RB draft momentum and use it to fix more pressing areas of need.... for the last decade.
Well, we've also had a lot of bad luck on the line, losing Loadholt, who, remarkably, is still 4 years younger than either Jason Peters or Whitworth. Then there was that guy all set to start who had the brain thing. Some bad decisions (Remmers) and picks (Elflein, Beavers) as well. Thought Elflein might be more in the bad luck category. Dude won the Rimington for Chrissakes. Not sure what's up his ass.
For the most part, I wouldn't bother with OL picks on day three (maybe Udoh will break that). And don't waste a 1st rounder on OL either. But every damn year, use one day two pick on an OL.
and when you get behind, like they are now, they need to double down. Rick can think taking 1 player a year at OL will dig him out of the hole they are in. Unfortunately we have multiple areas of need right now, and with the cap being where it is... they are going to really need to pull a rabbit out of their ass IMO to get this team back in the playoff hunt next year.
I think the OL is better shape going into '20 than it's been in some time. If you really think it's in a hole that requires climbing out from, I have a feeling this offseason is really going to piss you off.
It wouldn't surprise me TOO much if the Vikings go into '20 with their existing line, albeit reshuffled--O'Neill, Reiff (or Samia), Bradbury, Kline, Udoh (or Collins) and then spend whatever resources they have on holes elsewhere. Plenty to choose from.
I've gotten used to being pissed off. Going back to Barr over Donald and a few other times when they have ignored talent on the lines for other positions. Also, no one could have expected Donald to be that big of a monster.
Um...
Did you really see multiple defensive player of the year awards and for him to be THIS dominant. I didn't and he wouldn't have lasted all the way to 13th if people did. He would have went #1 overall if anyone had that insight.
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