Quote: @greediron said:
Sloter was a good investment. A few 100 thousand to find out if the between the ears matched the physical measurables. He was given a chance and obviously the raw just turned warm and mushy rather that properly cooking. It was only the fans that got bent out of shape about him, but that is normal. Backup QB is always popular when things go wrong, unless your name is Mannion.
So yes, keep investing. If a good one falls like Teddy did, jump on it. If not, take some mid round shots. The investment cost determines how long you try to develop.
Excellent point, Greed. I still maintain that Rodgers had the biggest break by 1) going to a team not needing a QB and 2) holding a clipboard for 2 years behind Favre. Had he been thrown to the wolves like so many QB's going to these days, he may have been the Akili Smith of 2005. 
Quote: @Ralphie said:
@ greediron said:
Sloter was a good investment. A few 100 thousand to find out if the between the ears matched the physical measurables. He was given a chance and obviously the raw just turned warm and mushy rather that properly cooking. It was only the fans that got bent out of shape about him, but that is normal. Backup QB is always popular when things go wrong, unless your name is Mannion.
So yes, keep investing. If a good one falls like Teddy did, jump on it. If not, take some mid round shots. The investment cost determines how long you try to develop.
Excellent point, Greed. I still maintain that Rodgers had the biggest break by 1) going to a team not needing a QB and 2) holding a clipboard for 2 years behind Favre. Had he been thrown to the wolves like so many QB's going to these days, he may have been the Akili Smith of 2005.
Wasn't that 4 years?
He was going into his final year when GB forced Farve to put up or shut up.
You can't reach, though. This is not a good QB class after the top 2. Herbert regressed. Eason and Love are lottery tickets. Fromm and Hurts each have glaring weaknesses.
And do we trust Rick to be the one to sniff out the diamond in the rough? His track record of FA acquisitions is better than his draft picks.
If I owned the team I would call a meeting with Rick, Mike, Kirk and Dalvin and tell them that if I extend one of them I'm extending all of them...but not this offseason. I saw improvement but not enough. Show me the next step and I'll keep the band together. All four men are tied to each other now go do what it takes to open up my wallet.
Luv to be a fly on the wall in that meeting!
After the SF game it seemed woefully clear the Viking Oline and DLine weren't strong or powerful enough to compete against the niners.
Until the lines are stronger and faster I don't see how they get to the Superbowl.
Are "passing yards" and "touchdowns" not measurable?
2018: 4,298 yards. 30 Touchdowns.
2019: 3,603 yards. 26 Touchdowns.
Kirk threw 1,300 yards fewer than his biggest season, 2016 @ Washington, where he tossed 4,917 yards and 29 TDs.
Kirk needs to be challenged as a passer, our offense needs to be challenged by the mistakes and we need to grow through them. Not turtle up the offense and reduce his potential output by 1300 yards just to shave six interceptions (he had 12 in 2016 @ Washington, he's thrown 10 and 6 respectively here). We have the defense to withstand six interceptions per season... after all those 3 and outs... I dunno...
How about "Passing Attempts?":
2018: 606
2019: 444
I really don't need him to be the 4000 yard man every season, but the TDs, few turnovers, and improving leadership/winning percentage are mandatory.
I do think he grew this season, and the core of the offense is still ripe to build with...but the OG position needs immediate attention (again/still).
I agree the Oline needs an upgrade. But the remaining teams in the championship games do not have perfect lines either. it seems on offense we just cannot adjust and hide our weaknesses when we are up against good competition.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ greediron said:
No matter what, you have to draft for the future.
If we could eliminate Cousin's turtle plays, I think we would all be very happy with our QB.
I agree we need to develop a QB, but the age old questions are "which one?" and "how long do you develop?" Many thought Sloter could be that guy. Next.
Check out http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldra...e=position to see just how many QB's have been drafted since 1936, rounds 1 through 7. It's stunning. Just since 2010 there have been 118 QB's drafted...and that doesn't include FA's or trades. Minnesota has drafted 6 which, by comparison, matches Cleveland and more than Jacksonville's 5. Green Bay...2.
Some teams seem to draft a QB every 2 years. Is that the "development curve"...show us what you got in 2 years or hit the bricks? If so, then gauging QB talent at the college level and extrapolating that to the pros sounds about as easy as guessing Powerball winning numbers.
Sloter was a good investment. A few 100 thousand to find out if the between the ears matched the physical measurables. He was given a chance and obviously the raw just turned warm and mushy rather that properly cooking. It was only the fans that got bent out of shape about him, but that is normal. Backup QB is always popular when things go wrong, unless your name is Mannion.
So yes, keep investing. If a good one falls like Teddy did, jump on it. If not, take some mid round shots. The investment cost determines how long you try to develop.
Mannion was kept over Sloter for a few reasons (experience obviously one of them), but the prevailing wisdom was that they didn't think Sloter would be as helpful to Kirk as the sideline and QB-room "co-pilot."
Quote: @Canthony said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
No matter what, you have to draft for the future.
If we could eliminate Cousin's turtle plays, I think we would all be very happy with our QB.
No doubt...but you're not going to improve that in Cousins himself. IMO, composure is an internal characteristic that you either have or don't. What you CAN do is improve the protection to such a degree that mitigates the problem. I think I heard where Cousins had the highest QB rating in the NFL when kept clean. Do that more and let's see what we got.
Would you extend him then? I don't think I would until well into the year. Franchising him at 40 million would be asinine, so that isn't a smart option.
No...not right now anyway. Like you, I'd wait to see what he looks like with the new supporting cast. Really like to see what he looks like if we can somehow upgrade the left side of the OL. But it's hard to do that without using the cap savings you would get with a Cousins extension.
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