Your right, the up-coming season is a "Wash" since Diggs is gone. Before cashing in or checking out or whatever, let's see what the free agency and the draft brings before passing judgement.
Quote: @ArizonaViking said:
Your right, the up-coming season is a "Wash" since Diggs is gone. Before cashing in or checking out or whatever, let's see what the free agency and the draft brings before passing judgement.
The Draft isn't replacing Diggs. Only 20 Rookies in the history of the game have gone over 1,000 yards.
Not sure what the WR FA Market looks like. Do they even have any $$$ to get a decent one? Still need a veteran CB and Tier 3 LG.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
I'm glad people are pointing out the drops and fumbles. He was very Harvin-esque in how many times balls seemed to bounce off of him and in the unlikeliest manner end up as Picks.
If Thielen blows a hammy again the season is effectively over, folks. There were 2 Great Receivers on Kubiak's Super Bowl winning team, not one.
With Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs almost guaranteed to be gone by the 1st pick I'm starting to like Jefferson out of LSU. He beat a lot of good Corners this year. And he can play out of the Slot & Outside, which gives Gary some flexibility.
Gotta add a veteran, though. Who here honestly wants to roll w/ a Rookie or Bisi as the #2 option? That would arguably be the worst WR Corps in the League.
Treadwell?
If Randy Moss can get traded then so can Diggs.
I ain't worried about it.
I am excited to have the draft picks and they may pick up someone for cheap on a one year deal.
I personally like Nelson Agholor who does have the manos di piedra!
I like players on prove it deals.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
If Randy Moss can get traded then so can Diggs.
I ain't worried about it.
I am excited to have the draft picks and they may pick up someone for cheap on a one year deal.
I personally like Nelson Agholor who does have the manos di piedra!
I like players on prove it deals.
was also going to mention Agholor or the guy from the Chiefs (can’t remember his name). Robby Anderson but I suppose he’ll be out of the price range
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ FSUVike said:
Diggs was at or near the top of the League in contested catches again this year. The notion that Kirk wouldn't throw it to him unless he was wide open was flat out overstated by Guru.
I find it interesting that SilverJoel posted a side-by-side comparison of the two star Wideouts production when playing without the other that not 1 single proponent of the deal has commented on....
This Franchise is screwed if they can't learn to handle big egos and childish behavior. You think the younger generations coming up are less entitled? Less apt to air their dirty laundry on Social Media? Less likely to have a Me-First Mentality?
I am a Recruiter. For the largest online retailer in the world. I'm Gen X and find myself shaking my head on a daily basis at the outlandish expectations these kids have coming out of school. Degreed Engineers looking for C Suite money with terrible written communication skills and not much better social skills.
You know what? I don't have to like them to recruit them. And my Hiring Mangers find ways get them to be productive quickly, despite the drama.
Now imagine that same age group getting millions of dollars to play Sports. With their huge group of groupthink hangers-on. And their penchant to play video games and blab on Social Media instead of going outside and engaging with humans in person.
The Minnesota Vikings have now failed 3 times at WR and once at RB when it comes to dealing with highly productive divas. One of the Receivers is in the HOF. The RB will be one day, too.
And who's to say Adam isn't next out the door? He factually performed less well than Diggs on his own. His methodology may differ but why assume he would be happy with his targets and not follow Diggs' path?
Oh, he'd never do that, you'll say. Why? Cuz he's white? He's already called his QB out publicly. And by doing so called out Zimmer's run-first preference in the process.
I don't know if it's an Upper Midwest thing, a Wilf thing, a Rick thing or a Zimmer thing. At some point the franchise needs to stop acting like a grumpy old man yelling at the kids on his lawn and learn how to manage around the behavior. Ignore him and fine him. Sooner than later it will work. Kids need cash and so do their hanger-ons.
Most of you want to win a Super Bowl before you die. Me, too. I don't see that happening if they can't learn to deal with precocious talents. This was hardly Owens or Brown level acting out. But if Diggs' behavior is the bar you're going to see more kids wanting out only to be replaced by much less talented players who happen to keep their mouths shut.
the behavior that you know of.... we arent there we dont know what was said or done behind the scenes. it was in the teams best interest to not let that shit out and it was in diggs best interest to keep a poker face to how badly he wanted to leave. we may never know, but I doubt the team parted ways with one of the best contractual returns that they have ever had without much consideration of all the facts, not just what the public was made aware of.
I agree. There's a lot we don't know. I'm guessing after the 49er game (or a half dozen others) where countless times he was seen breaking free, completely open, only to watch Cousins either check down under pressure, or get sacked under pressure. Diggs might have said a few things about that. I don't know whether he blamed the protection or the Cousins himself, but I can pretty much guarantee you he was hot about it.
But you know what? So was I. And I wouldn't want a choir boy receiver on my team who isn't competitive and doesn't get a little pissed off every now and then. You watch those replays and he's giving 110% on every one of those routes. The footwork is jaw-dropping. Only to stand there and watch the play breakdown. That has to be frustrating. Everyone talks about Thielen as if he's some kind of saint, but there have been many times when he was pissed off too.
If I'm in charge of the team, I talk to Diggs about that. Tell him you're going to fix the offensive line. Fine him, bench him, whatever, but don't trade the best player on the team and hope to somehow "get over the hump."
Let's review what has happened over the past 6-8 months...
Diggs brother tweets a photoshopped picture of Diggs in a Redskins uniform...
Diggs throws a fit about the offense after 4 games this season...
He skips a couple days of practice mid-week...
The team fines him...
The media asks him if there is any truth to the rumors he wants to be traded...
He responds that there is truth in all rumors...
He deletes all the pictures of him in Vikings gear from his Instagram page after the season...
He tweets a bunch of cryptic messages...
He posts a video of him working out in Cardinals gear...
One of these things by themselves isn't a big deal... You add them all together and it starts to paint a pretty clear picture of what Diggs wanted.
The team likely did reach out to Diggs to try to repair the disconnect between the two. However, it takes two to tango... if Diggs wanted to repair the relationship, he would still be a Viking.
Your post above makes it sound like you think Spielman decided it was better to trade him than work out any differences... How ridiculous does that sound?
We don't know the extent to which either side tried to work something out. So you're making a lot of assumptions here. In the end, Spielman obviously decided it was better to trade him than work out any differences. That's exactly what he decided. What, do you think if he weren't traded that Diggs would've sat out the season? Do you know how ridiculous THAT sounds?
I have a hunch that a few of the easily offended types on the team (Cousins? Zimmer?) got their egos stepped on by a fiery receiver and wouldn't let it go.
But hell, who knows? Maybe Irv Smith will draw a few doubles, or we'll draft the next Randy Moss, or we'll draft the biggest baddest ass run blocking left guard the world has ever seen and just run the ball 60 times a game.
Yeah, it'll be fun having two first rounders. I'm excited about that. But don't try to deny that our offense just became much worse today.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
@ ArizonaViking said:
Your right, the up-coming season is a "Wash" since Diggs is gone. Before cashing in or checking out or whatever, let's see what the free agency and the draft brings before passing judgement.
The Draft isn't replacing Diggs. Only 20 Rookies in the history of the game have gone over 1,000 yards.
Not sure what the WR FA Market looks like. Do they even have any $$$ to get a decent one? Still need a veteran CB and Tier 3 LG.
Don't have to replace him. As someone else said, you can't replace him. But you can find a starter opposite of AT. Lots of rookies have started.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ FSUVike said:
Diggs was at or near the top of the League in contested catches again this year. The notion that Kirk wouldn't throw it to him unless he was wide open was flat out overstated by Guru.
I find it interesting that SilverJoel posted a side-by-side comparison of the two star Wideouts production when playing without the other that not 1 single proponent of the deal has commented on....
This Franchise is screwed if they can't learn to handle big egos and childish behavior. You think the younger generations coming up are less entitled? Less apt to air their dirty laundry on Social Media? Less likely to have a Me-First Mentality?
I am a Recruiter. For the largest online retailer in the world. I'm Gen X and find myself shaking my head on a daily basis at the outlandish expectations these kids have coming out of school. Degreed Engineers looking for C Suite money with terrible written communication skills and not much better social skills.
You know what? I don't have to like them to recruit them. And my Hiring Mangers find ways get them to be productive quickly, despite the drama.
Now imagine that same age group getting millions of dollars to play Sports. With their huge group of groupthink hangers-on. And their penchant to play video games and blab on Social Media instead of going outside and engaging with humans in person.
The Minnesota Vikings have now failed 3 times at WR and once at RB when it comes to dealing with highly productive divas. One of the Receivers is in the HOF. The RB will be one day, too.
And who's to say Adam isn't next out the door? He factually performed less well than Diggs on his own. His methodology may differ but why assume he would be happy with his targets and not follow Diggs' path?
Oh, he'd never do that, you'll say. Why? Cuz he's white? He's already called his QB out publicly. And by doing so called out Zimmer's run-first preference in the process.
I don't know if it's an Upper Midwest thing, a Wilf thing, a Rick thing or a Zimmer thing. At some point the franchise needs to stop acting like a grumpy old man yelling at the kids on his lawn and learn how to manage around the behavior. Ignore him and fine him. Sooner than later it will work. Kids need cash and so do their hanger-ons.
Most of you want to win a Super Bowl before you die. Me, too. I don't see that happening if they can't learn to deal with precocious talents. This was hardly Owens or Brown level acting out. But if Diggs' behavior is the bar you're going to see more kids wanting out only to be replaced by much less talented players who happen to keep their mouths shut.
the behavior that you know of.... we arent there we dont know what was said or done behind the scenes. it was in the teams best interest to not let that shit out and it was in diggs best interest to keep a poker face to how badly he wanted to leave. we may never know, but I doubt the team parted ways with one of the best contractual returns that they have ever had without much consideration of all the facts, not just what the public was made aware of.
I agree. There's a lot we don't know. I'm guessing after the 49er game (or a half dozen others) where countless times he was seen breaking free, completely open, only to watch Cousins either check down under pressure, or get sacked under pressure. Diggs might have said a few things about that. I don't know whether he blamed the protection or the Cousins himself, but I can pretty much guarantee you he was hot about it.
But you know what? So was I. And I wouldn't want a choir boy receiver on my team who isn't competitive and doesn't get a little pissed off every now and then. You watch those replays and he's giving 110% on every one of those routes. The footwork is jaw-dropping. Only to stand there and watch the play breakdown. That has to be frustrating. Everyone talks about Thielen as if he's some kind of saint, but there have been many times when he was pissed off too.
If I'm in charge of the team, I talk to Diggs about that. Tell him you're going to fix the offensive line. Fine him, bench him, whatever, but don't trade the best player on the team and hope to somehow "get over the hump."
Let's review what has happened over the past 6-8 months...
Diggs brother tweets a photoshopped picture of Diggs in a Redskins uniform...
Diggs throws a fit about the offense after 4 games this season...
He skips a couple days of practice mid-week...
The team fines him...
The media asks him if there is any truth to the rumors he wants to be traded...
He responds that there is truth in all rumors...
He deletes all the pictures of him in Vikings gear from his Instagram page after the season...
He tweets a bunch of cryptic messages...
He posts a video of him working out in Cardinals gear...
One of these things by themselves isn't a big deal... You add them all together and it starts to paint a pretty clear picture of what Diggs wanted.
The team likely did reach out to Diggs to try to repair the disconnect between the two. However, it takes two to tango... if Diggs wanted to repair the relationship, he would still be a Viking.
Your post above makes it sound like you think Spielman decided it was better to trade him than work out any differences... How ridiculous does that sound?
We don't know the extent to which either side tried to work something out. So you're making a lot of assumptions here. In the end, Spielman obviously decided it was better to trade him than work out any differences. That's exactly what he decided. What, do you think if he weren't traded that Diggs would've sat out the season? Do you know how ridiculous THAT sounds?
I have a hunch that a few of the easily offended types on the team (Cousins? Zimmer?) got their egos stepped on by a fiery receiver and wouldn't let it go.
But hell, who knows? Maybe Irv Smith will draw a few doubles, or we'll draft the next Randy Moss, or we'll draft the biggest baddest ass run blocking left guard the world has ever seen and just run the ball 60 times a game.
Yeah, it'll be fun having two first rounders. I'm excited about that. But don't try to deny that our offense just became much worse today.
Seems pretty obvious the ego that was bruised belongs to someone that diggs his own way.
I don't know if I would say much worse
Kubiak has a whole offseason to look at what he has and gameplan to maximize it. I'd rather roll with 11 that want to be there any day.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ FSUVike said:
Diggs was at or near the top of the League in contested catches again this year. The notion that Kirk wouldn't throw it to him unless he was wide open was flat out overstated by Guru.
I find it interesting that SilverJoel posted a side-by-side comparison of the two star Wideouts production when playing without the other that not 1 single proponent of the deal has commented on....
This Franchise is screwed if they can't learn to handle big egos and childish behavior. You think the younger generations coming up are less entitled? Less apt to air their dirty laundry on Social Media? Less likely to have a Me-First Mentality?
I am a Recruiter. For the largest online retailer in the world. I'm Gen X and find myself shaking my head on a daily basis at the outlandish expectations these kids have coming out of school. Degreed Engineers looking for C Suite money with terrible written communication skills and not much better social skills.
You know what? I don't have to like them to recruit them. And my Hiring Mangers find ways get them to be productive quickly, despite the drama.
Now imagine that same age group getting millions of dollars to play Sports. With their huge group of groupthink hangers-on. And their penchant to play video games and blab on Social Media instead of going outside and engaging with humans in person.
The Minnesota Vikings have now failed 3 times at WR and once at RB when it comes to dealing with highly productive divas. One of the Receivers is in the HOF. The RB will be one day, too.
And who's to say Adam isn't next out the door? He factually performed less well than Diggs on his own. His methodology may differ but why assume he would be happy with his targets and not follow Diggs' path?
Oh, he'd never do that, you'll say. Why? Cuz he's white? He's already called his QB out publicly. And by doing so called out Zimmer's run-first preference in the process.
I don't know if it's an Upper Midwest thing, a Wilf thing, a Rick thing or a Zimmer thing. At some point the franchise needs to stop acting like a grumpy old man yelling at the kids on his lawn and learn how to manage around the behavior. Ignore him and fine him. Sooner than later it will work. Kids need cash and so do their hanger-ons.
Most of you want to win a Super Bowl before you die. Me, too. I don't see that happening if they can't learn to deal with precocious talents. This was hardly Owens or Brown level acting out. But if Diggs' behavior is the bar you're going to see more kids wanting out only to be replaced by much less talented players who happen to keep their mouths shut.
the behavior that you know of.... we arent there we dont know what was said or done behind the scenes. it was in the teams best interest to not let that shit out and it was in diggs best interest to keep a poker face to how badly he wanted to leave. we may never know, but I doubt the team parted ways with one of the best contractual returns that they have ever had without much consideration of all the facts, not just what the public was made aware of.
I agree. There's a lot we don't know. I'm guessing after the 49er game (or a half dozen others) where countless times he was seen breaking free, completely open, only to watch Cousins either check down under pressure, or get sacked under pressure. Diggs might have said a few things about that. I don't know whether he blamed the protection or the Cousins himself, but I can pretty much guarantee you he was hot about it.
But you know what? So was I. And I wouldn't want a choir boy receiver on my team who isn't competitive and doesn't get a little pissed off every now and then. You watch those replays and he's giving 110% on every one of those routes. The footwork is jaw-dropping. Only to stand there and watch the play breakdown. That has to be frustrating. Everyone talks about Thielen as if he's some kind of saint, but there have been many times when he was pissed off too.
If I'm in charge of the team, I talk to Diggs about that. Tell him you're going to fix the offensive line. Fine him, bench him, whatever, but don't trade the best player on the team and hope to somehow "get over the hump."
Let's review what has happened over the past 6-8 months...
Diggs brother tweets a photoshopped picture of Diggs in a Redskins uniform...
Diggs throws a fit about the offense after 4 games this season...
He skips a couple days of practice mid-week...
The team fines him...
The media asks him if there is any truth to the rumors he wants to be traded...
He responds that there is truth in all rumors...
He deletes all the pictures of him in Vikings gear from his Instagram page after the season...
He tweets a bunch of cryptic messages...
He posts a video of him working out in Cardinals gear...
One of these things by themselves isn't a big deal... You add them all together and it starts to paint a pretty clear picture of what Diggs wanted.
The team likely did reach out to Diggs to try to repair the disconnect between the two. However, it takes two to tango... if Diggs wanted to repair the relationship, he would still be a Viking.
Your post above makes it sound like you think Spielman decided it was better to trade him than work out any differences... How ridiculous does that sound?
We don't know the extent to which either side tried to work something out. So you're making a lot of assumptions here. In the end, Spielman obviously decided it was better to trade him than work out any differences. That's exactly what he decided. What, do you think if he weren't traded that Diggs would've sat out the season? Do you know how ridiculous THAT sounds?
I have a hunch that a few of the easily offended types on the team (Cousins? Zimmer?) got their egos stepped on by a fiery receiver and wouldn't let it go.
But hell, who knows? Maybe Irv Smith will draw a few doubles, or we'll draft the next Randy Moss, or we'll draft the biggest baddest ass run blocking left guard the world has ever seen and just run the ball 60 times a game.
Yeah, it'll be fun having two first rounders. I'm excited about that. But don't try to deny that our offense just became much worse today.
Seems pretty obvious the ego that was bruised belongs to someone that diggs his own way.
Or just wants to win. This kind of reinventing Diggs to justify the trade is just so fucking AM radio. He has an ego. He's good but not great. He was a cancer. He dropped balls.
Really, it's OK guys. For the love of God, it's OK to disagree with a move your team makes.
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