Quote: @Mike Olson said:
GOP Senator “too busy” to read the 7 (yes.... seven) page whistleblower report. That’s called not doing your job!
The nine-page report outlines Trump's illicit activities related to Ukraine and 2020 election interference.
Sen. Joni Ernst (R-IA) says she has yet to read a whistleblower report outlining credible allegations Trump abused his power by pressuring a foreign government to investigate a political foe, in order to help his chances in the 2020 election.
"I haven't read the full report," Ernst, one of several vulnerable senators up for reelection in 2020, told a Washington Post reporter Thursday afternoon.
The "full report" to which she is referring is a total of seven pages long, plus an additional two-page appendix. Ernst said she was unable to discuss the allegations in it.
"If you do want to talk about ethanol, I am happy to talk about ethanol because that’s where all my efforts are right now," she added.
is this kind of like we have to pass it to see whats in it?
also what happened to the extra 2 pages? did those get stuck in hillarys server?
all in fun brother... all in fun. B)
Because of course he is lying....
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/27/politics/fact-check-trump-bidens-china/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2F100212514847
Quote:Washington (CNN) — In attacking the Bidens, President Donald Trump has spent the majority of his time focusing on Ukraine, but he's also at times made vague allegations about the Bidens' ties to China. On several occasions, he has intimated that the Bidens have received millions of dollars from China, implying they capitalized on the then vice-president's political power and connections.During his remarks at the United Nations on Sept. 25 with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky, Trump said, "When Biden's son walks out of China with $1.5 billion in a fund, and the biggest funds in the world can't get money out of China, and he's there for one quick meeting and he flies in on Air Force Two, I think that's a horrible thing. I think it's a horrible thing." Details on the deal that the President cited come from conservative author Peter Schweizer's newest book "Secret Empires." A day later, in an exchange with reporters on Sept. 26, Trump implicated the elder Biden in his allegations, saying, "But Adam Schiff doesn't talk about Joe Biden and his son walking away with millions of dollars from Ukraine and then millions of dollars from China. Walking away, in a quick meeting, walking away with millions of dollars." We've already fact-checked the President's claimsabout the Bidens and Ukraine. Trump's newest allegations involving China are similarly misleading. There is no evidence that former Vice President Joe Biden received money from China. Though when it comes to Biden's son Hunter, Trump's allegations are not thoroughly unfounded.Here's what we do know:A company whose board Hunter sat on, received a large investment of Chinese capital shortly after Hunter visited the country with his father.According to the New York Times, Biden's son Hunter has a 10% interest in BHR Partners, a private-equity fund that the Chinese government-owned Bank of China has invested in. As of May 2019, both the New York Times and the Washington Post reported that Hunter had not received any money from the fund or in connection with his role as an unpaid advisory board member. In July 2019, more than two years after his father left office, Hunter purchased an equity stake in the BHR fund, valued around $430,000 according to the Washington Post.
Huh Pompeo subpeonaed by 3 committees for all the ukraine documents. Wonder if that will turn over any rocks.
It’s not like these people have anything to do with Russia....
Edit: Sounds like he decided the optics may not be so great and decided to not go.
Quote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/giuliani-set-to-make-paid-appearance-next-week-at-kremlin-backed-conference/2019/09/27/a15ab242-e133-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html
Giuliani set to make paid appearance next week at Kremlin-backed conference that includes PutinBy Tom Hamburger ,
Josh Dawsey ,
Amie Ferris-Rotman and
Rosalind S. Helderman September 27 at 4:58 PM
Rudolph W. Giuliani, whose actions as President Trump’s personal lawyer have helped set in motion an impeachment inquiry, is set to appear as a paid speaker at a Kremlin-backed conference in Armenia on Tuesday — an event expected to include the participation of Russian President Vladimir Putin and other top Russian officials.
Giuliani confirmed to The Washington Post on Friday that he plans to take part in a panel at the conference sponsored by Russia and the Moscow-based Eurasian Economic Union, a trade alliance launched by Putin in 2014 as a counterweight to the European Union.
According to an agenda for the event posted online, Giuliani is set to participate in a panel led by Sergey Glazyev, a longtime Putin adviser who has been under U.S. sanctions since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine five years ago.
Giuliani’s decision to take part in the conference astounded national security experts. His scheduled appearance comes days after the release of a whistleblower complaint accusing Trump and Giuliani of pressuring Ukrainian for damaging information about Democrats.
Per MSNBC:
Depositions will involve Trump, Pence, Barr, Giuliani, Pompeo
It looks like subpoenas are being issued for Pompeo and Giuliani but are expected to include Barr, Pence and Trump himself. They are going to depose them all.
Just reported on MSNBC (Chuck Todd’s show),
We here already suspected that was going to happen, but it looks like it really is.
And it will happen over the next few weeks, not months.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ KingBash said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ KingBash said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
can somebody actually get back to me when something happens for real... either side? so far we have liars calling liars liars and using bull shit to support their lies. ( not the posters here, the media and the politicians they cover) the major news stories that are being spun from unsubstantiated rumors and half truths is nauseating. and this goes for both sides. its really a damn shame that I honestly cant name one source that I could go to for a no BS unspun presentation of the facts and only the proven facts.
Fair enough, but may I help?
For a source, please find the transcript, Trump himself admitting to do this, and then you can read the official whistleblower report which substantiates everything I've been saying: that Trump has colluded with a foreign government to try and influence an election.
That is 100% irrefutable fact. JUST READ THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS.
I know he said it, but I am waiting until all the facts of the situation are revealed. He is hardly the first elected official to use their power to affect a pending election.
That's irrelevant. None of it is right, and as I said above, if a Democrat got caught like this, I'd have the same reaction.
as far as that being a foreign govt or a domestic source... does it really matter? an abuse of power is an abuse of power. frankly I am more concerned about those abuses that result in gains for those foreign govts.
Well you just answered your own question. It does matter, because it potentially gives those governments leverage over ours. You don't ask favors behind closed doors, ESPECIALLY to countries like Ukraine.
here trump was (wrongly) threatening to withhold money that was promised, now that wasnt right, but it doesnt really hurt our country. In the past there have been instances where the likely payouts/favors were not congressionally approved and were made.
It absolutely has all the potential in the world to hurt our country because it could sway an election. Scenario: Ukraine investigates Biden... that gets made public. Just that alone - an investigation - would be enough for Americans to go "whoa, wait a minute." And then a kneejerk reaction would sway their vote.
And again, the past is the past. If that were exposed that anybody else did it, I'd be against that as well.
its really hard for me to get all frothy over any of it anymore after how some transgressions hardly raise an eyebrow and the next ones create an earth quake.... just depends on who did it and how hard anybody wants to dig to discredit that person. its all a fucking joke.
Perhaps it is. But the fact the WH knows it's wrong enough that they went out of their way to hide it (and apparently have hidden many other transcripts on that secret server) tells us something. What did Trump and Putin discuss without any US officials behind closed doors (where he physically took the notes away from our translator afterwards)?
The trail of breadcrumbs is never-ending on this one. And now we have cold, hard irrefutable fact... something that a lot of the GOP is having to grapple with.
Once again, if Obama had done it... something tells me this board would literally be chanting "lock him up."
i am sure he did similar and nothing became of it, some I am kind of....meh any more when anybody does this shit.
it doesnt matter who is in office, the play book they follow is the same, its just who is going to be outraged depends on the color of the presidents tie. its your turn to be pissed at the world and in 2 years or 6 years, it will be somebody elses turn again. I am just to the point of knowing that my guy isnt any worse than your guy and vice versa. they all suck in one way or another.
On that, we'll disagree. Trump is worse than ALL of them. Worse than Nixon even.
That's where my fervor comes from. It's not D or R, it's incredibly corrupt, incredibly stupid, and most-likely slipping into some kind of mental illness/dementia. He's not a well man. He's dangerous, whether he intends to be or not.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
Per MSNBC:
Depositions will involve Trump, Pence, Barr, Giuliani, Pompeo
It looks like subpoenas are being issued for Pompeo and Giuliani but are expected to include Barr, Pence and Trump himself. They are going to depose them all.
Just reported on MSNBC (Chuck Todd’s show),
We here already suspected that was going to happen, but it looks like it really is.
And it will happen over the next few weeks, not months.
It's been 3-4 days of non-stop "told ya so!" The overall silence from the Trumpers on the board is pretty telling. Yeah, you'll see a gif of a guy eating popcorn above, or something will link to a weak article trying to equate the Obama administration giving money to Iran and this... but for the most part, all that is just essentially just waving a white flag.
I read the other day that seven GOP senators responded that they had yet to read the whistleblower report. Most people screamed, "Do your job!" But they are... I'd bet they all read it. Of course they did. And the only thing they could do for once was shut their mouths and bury their heads in the sand, because many of these guys know this is really, really bad. And if Democrats were smart (they're usually very disappointing here), they'll keep the pedal to the floor on this and keep turning over every stone.
So as all this continues to snowball... I told ya so.
Quote: @KingBash said:
That's what these guys seem to forget. If you switched this, and this had been Obama calling Ukraine, etc... they'd be apoplectic! And while I certainly lean more left, I'd be backed into a corner and have to admit to everybody, "Wow. That's fucked up. We can't have that." Not only would I call for the right thing to do - removing him from office - it'd leave a bad taste in my mouth about the guy.
Are you sitting down, KB?
What if a former US Prosecutor (who prosecuted "the blind sheik" Abdul Rahman/first WTC bombing) reminded you that...in fact... OBAMA DID THE EXACT SAME THING.
Obama called the Ukraine to investigate Trump's campaign manager, at the time, Manafort...in order to "influence an election".
Double Standards on Ukraine By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
September 26, 2019 1:04 PM
Democrats in Congress and the media pretend to swoon over conduct they accepted when Obama did it.House Intelligence Committee chairman Adam Schiff’s opening statement at today’s hearing, a grilling of National Intelligence Director Joseph Maguire, was remarkable. To begin with, he recited a parody of the conversation between President Trump and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky that was so absurd, it would not have made it into a Grade-C mob movie. A telling decision by Schiff, a capable former prosecutor: If you have an extortionate conversation, you quote it. If you need to imagine it into something it isn’t, that means it is not an extortionate conversation.
Also telling: Chairman Schiff came flying out of the starting block describing how overwhelmingly dependent Ukraine is on the United States and its president. Of course, this fact must be forced to the fore because it is not obvious from the Trump–Zelensky conversation — again, Schiff does not have evidence that Trump extorted Zelensky for the purpose of aiding Trump’s 2020 campaign.
But more to the point, the relationship of dependency intensified in 2015 due to the flight to Moscow of Ukraine’s president, Viktor Yanukovych. At that point, a new Ukrainian government more to the Obama administration’s liking, under President Petro Poroshenko, came to power. It was desperate for American help, financially and security-wise, which is why Vice President Biden was in a position to pressure it into firing the prosecutor who was conducting a corruption investigation of Burisma, the energy company that had appointed Hunter Biden to its board and was lavishly compensating him.
In Ball of Collusion, I outline some of the extensive evidence that in 2016, the Obama administration’s law-enforcement agencies pressured their Ukrainian counterparts to revive a dormant corruption investigation of Paul Manafort. I summarized the matter in an excerpt for Fox News a few days back:
Quote:During the . . . early 2016 weeks when [Alexandra] Chalupa [a Ukrainian-American and DNC operative] was tapping her Ukrainian sources and giving Democrats a heads-up about a potential Manafort-Trump alliance, NABU [Ukraine’s anti-corruption] investigators and Ukrainian prosecutors journeyed to Washington. There, the Obama administration arranged for them to huddle with the FBI, the Justice Department, the State Department, and the White House’s National Security Council (agencies that coordinated frequently throughout the collusion caper).
Andrii Telizhenko, a political officer at Ukraine’s embassy in Washington, later told The Hill’s John Solomon that the U.S. officials uniformly stressed “how important it was that all of our anti-corruption efforts be united.” The officials also indicated to their Ukrainian counterparts that they were keen to revive the investigation of payments by Yanukovych’s ousted Party of Regions government to an American political consultant — i.e., the FBI’s Paul Manafort probe [that was reportedly closed without a recommendation of charges in 2014] . . .
Nazar Kholodnitskiy, Ukraine’s chief anti-corruption prosecutor, told Solomon that soon after the January 2016 Washington meetings, he found that Ukrainian officials were effectively meddling in the American presidential election. Another top Ukrainian lawman, Kostiantyn Kulyk, recalled that after the Kiev contingent’s return home from the United States, there was lots of buzz about helping the Americans with the Party of Regions investigation.
If it is of importance today that Ukraine is beholden to the president and the American administration for help, was it not at least equally important in 2016? I have no problem with the principle that the president should not exploit his power over foreign relations for partisan political purposes. I have a problem with the double standard.
See the way the game is played: When the Obama administration leans on Ukraine for help in an investigation of political opponents, the Democrats and the media say, “But look how corrupt Paul Manafort was!” When the Trump administration leans on Ukraine for help in an investigation of political opponents, the Democrats and the media say, “Abuse of power — impeach him!”
(link)
____________________________________
So....you were saying?
Quote:
|
![[Image: 190925131609-02-schiff-0925-medium-plus-169.jpg]](https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190925131609-02-schiff-0925-medium-plus-169.jpg)
![[Image: ?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia...f=1&nofb=1]](https://media.giphy.com/media/RHiD0K65NxxLO/giphy.gif)
