There was protests outside Disney over the weekend with guys/gals (if we're able to assume gender still) with nazi flags and Desantis campaign information.......you know because that totally happened and wasn't a staged anti Desantis photo op.
If the left thinks they can convince anyone that Desantis is some sort of white wizard with such a ridiculous event, they've got us wrong.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
There was protests outside Disney over the weekend with guys/gals (if we're able to assume gender still) with nazi flags and Desantis campaign information.......you know because that totally happened and wasn't a staged anti Desantis photo op.
If the left thinks they can convince anyone that Desantis is some sort of white wizard with such a ridiculous event, they've got us wrong.
they dont have to convince you or I, they just need to convince those swing voters that there might be segment of the population that would believe that nonsense. It makes voter fraud easier to sell if people actually think its possible that enough people would believe that staged garbage to vote for Biden. With Trump its easy, hell I am not convinced that there was enough fraud to have swung the election, I think things were suspect at the least with the timing of different things, but it was Trump after all, very very plausible that he did indeed lose the election, however as bad as things have gotten in the last 2 years and only looking to continue to slide... if it is anybody but Trump its going to take a hell of smear campaign and a much bigger fraud campaign to pull it off once again.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
There was protests outside Disney over the weekend with guys/gals (if we're able to assume gender still) with nazi flags and Desantis campaign information.......you know because that totally happened and wasn't a staged anti Desantis photo op.
If the left thinks they can convince anyone that Desantis is some sort of white wizard with such a ridiculous event, they've got us wrong.
they dont have to convince you or I, they just need to convince those swing voters that there might be segment of the population that would believe that nonsense. It makes voter fraud easier to sell if people actually think its possible that enough people would believe that staged garbage to vote for Biden. With Trump its easy, hell I am not convinced that there was enough fraud to have swung the election, I think things were suspect at the least with the timing of different things, but it was Trump after all, very very plausible that he did indeed lose the election, however as bad as things have gotten in the last 2 years and only looking to continue to slide... if it is anybody but Trump its going to take a hell of smear campaign and a much bigger fraud campaign to pull it off once again.
Thats why there's been the constant piling on with Desantis. It'll shift to whomever else becomes a front runner if its not going to ultimately be Desantis.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
This seems to sum up where I am at on the election at this point. Except to add that neither the swing vote, nor those running the elections, will allow Trump to get into the White House again, he is the only way that Biden has an ice cubes chance in hell of getting re-elected. I wouldnt be surprised if Biden were replaced if Trump were to drop out as the Dems know that he would get killed by anybody other than Trump.
What is funny is last weeks big news here in flyover country was ND Governor Burgum announced his candidacy for president, although he doesnt make the list of also rans anywhere.
Prepare for Four More Years of BidenAttacks on Trump have been never ending, and since Ron DeSantis gained nationwide exposure, mainstream media has constantly looked for ways to also attack him. However, lately I’m seeing more and more attacks on both candidates coming from the Right, including a lot of fake memes showing DeSantis with globalists, Trump-Fauci hugs, and other such garbage. Shouldn’t it be obvious the Left wants a civil war on the Right so their puppet candidate can get another term? Desantis is like Trump without the personal attacks and as much of the baggage, but in what I believe is a leftist-engineered campaign, they’re trying to make him sound like another Establishment Republican along the lines of Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney. Please. Would one of those RINOs have stood strong against Disney and what the media misbranded the “Dont Say Gay” bill? Would they have the courage to open Florida during peak Covid fascism months? Would they have brought on medical experts to question the Covid vaccine & mask worship? Would they have the courage to pursue legislation to counter Big Tech censorship and lack of parental choice in schools? As for Trump, I think the best argument in favor of his election is the enemies he has against him — RINOs, the media, Big Tech, Hollywood, corrupt DA’s, etc.
When primary season hits, it is fair for Trump & Desantis to debate & challenge each other, but if either of them pursues such a scorched Earth attack line that they guarantee another Biden term, they will lose my support. BTW, I don’t think you’ll find a single person in the country who believes Mike Pence or Chris Christie can win the Republican nomination, much less the Presidency. They’re purely members of the Establishment Republican hit squad designed to attack Trump, Desantis, and their supporters — anything to get us back to the Uniparty candidates that governed us most of the past few decades.
The swing vote if fairly tabulated would favor Trump over Biden, imho. But, like you said, the people running these elections in the swing states will do everything in their power to steal it from him. The issue is, they'll do the same for whoever the Republican nominee is. It's a massive and coordinated effort at this point that has the protection of the govt agencies who in turn are rewarded with even more power. I don't know the answer, but I do know it only gets worse the more that people choose to look the other way. Very frustrating and scary time in our nation right now.
Quote: @Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
This seems to sum up where I am at on the election at this point. Except to add that neither the swing vote, nor those running the elections, will allow Trump to get into the White House again, he is the only way that Biden has an ice cubes chance in hell of getting re-elected. I wouldnt be surprised if Biden were replaced if Trump were to drop out as the Dems know that he would get killed by anybody other than Trump.
What is funny is last weeks big news here in flyover country was ND Governor Burgum announced his candidacy for president, although he doesnt make the list of also rans anywhere.
Prepare for Four More Years of BidenAttacks on Trump have been never ending, and since Ron DeSantis gained nationwide exposure, mainstream media has constantly looked for ways to also attack him. However, lately I’m seeing more and more attacks on both candidates coming from the Right, including a lot of fake memes showing DeSantis with globalists, Trump-Fauci hugs, and other such garbage. Shouldn’t it be obvious the Left wants a civil war on the Right so their puppet candidate can get another term? Desantis is like Trump without the personal attacks and as much of the baggage, but in what I believe is a leftist-engineered campaign, they’re trying to make him sound like another Establishment Republican along the lines of Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney. Please. Would one of those RINOs have stood strong against Disney and what the media misbranded the “Dont Say Gay” bill? Would they have the courage to open Florida during peak Covid fascism months? Would they have brought on medical experts to question the Covid vaccine & mask worship? Would they have the courage to pursue legislation to counter Big Tech censorship and lack of parental choice in schools? As for Trump, I think the best argument in favor of his election is the enemies he has against him — RINOs, the media, Big Tech, Hollywood, corrupt DA’s, etc.
When primary season hits, it is fair for Trump & Desantis to debate & challenge each other, but if either of them pursues such a scorched Earth attack line that they guarantee another Biden term, they will lose my support. BTW, I don’t think you’ll find a single person in the country who believes Mike Pence or Chris Christie can win the Republican nomination, much less the Presidency. They’re purely members of the Establishment Republican hit squad designed to attack Trump, Desantis, and their supporters — anything to get us back to the Uniparty candidates that governed us most of the past few decades.
The swing vote if fairly tabulated would favor Trump over Biden, imho. But, like you said, the people running these elections in the swing states will do everything in their power to steal it from him. The issue is, they'll do the same for whoever the Republican nominee is. It's a massive and coordinated effort at this point that has the protection of the govt agencies who in turn are rewarded with even more power. I don't know the answer, but I do know it only gets worse the more that people choose to look the other way. Very frustrating and scary time in our nation right now.
I think you under estimate the amount of people that Trump alienated.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
This seems to sum up where I am at on the election at this point. Except to add that neither the swing vote, nor those running the elections, will allow Trump to get into the White House again, he is the only way that Biden has an ice cubes chance in hell of getting re-elected. I wouldnt be surprised if Biden were replaced if Trump were to drop out as the Dems know that he would get killed by anybody other than Trump.
What is funny is last weeks big news here in flyover country was ND Governor Burgum announced his candidacy for president, although he doesnt make the list of also rans anywhere.
Prepare for Four More Years of BidenAttacks on Trump have been never ending, and since Ron DeSantis gained nationwide exposure, mainstream media has constantly looked for ways to also attack him. However, lately I’m seeing more and more attacks on both candidates coming from the Right, including a lot of fake memes showing DeSantis with globalists, Trump-Fauci hugs, and other such garbage. Shouldn’t it be obvious the Left wants a civil war on the Right so their puppet candidate can get another term? Desantis is like Trump without the personal attacks and as much of the baggage, but in what I believe is a leftist-engineered campaign, they’re trying to make him sound like another Establishment Republican along the lines of Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney. Please. Would one of those RINOs have stood strong against Disney and what the media misbranded the “Dont Say Gay” bill? Would they have the courage to open Florida during peak Covid fascism months? Would they have brought on medical experts to question the Covid vaccine & mask worship? Would they have the courage to pursue legislation to counter Big Tech censorship and lack of parental choice in schools? As for Trump, I think the best argument in favor of his election is the enemies he has against him — RINOs, the media, Big Tech, Hollywood, corrupt DA’s, etc.
When primary season hits, it is fair for Trump & Desantis to debate & challenge each other, but if either of them pursues such a scorched Earth attack line that they guarantee another Biden term, they will lose my support. BTW, I don’t think you’ll find a single person in the country who believes Mike Pence or Chris Christie can win the Republican nomination, much less the Presidency. They’re purely members of the Establishment Republican hit squad designed to attack Trump, Desantis, and their supporters — anything to get us back to the Uniparty candidates that governed us most of the past few decades.
The swing vote if fairly tabulated would favor Trump over Biden, imho. But, like you said, the people running these elections in the swing states will do everything in their power to steal it from him. The issue is, they'll do the same for whoever the Republican nominee is. It's a massive and coordinated effort at this point that has the protection of the govt agencies who in turn are rewarded with even more power. I don't know the answer, but I do know it only gets worse the more that people choose to look the other way. Very frustrating and scary time in our nation right now.
I think you under estimate the amount of people that Trump alienated.
And that alienation has grown. Outside of the MAGA base, who wants to go back to that?
If there is one thing the red wave (that never materialized in 22) teaches us is that swing voters dont align with extreme stances on abortion, LGBTQ+ or Woke.
This is especially true in the suburbs.
IMO, this country is destined for another 4 years of Biden if DeSantis is not the team red winner. And it might still be destined for that if Ronnie doesnt find a way to evolve himself a bit the next year or so to appeal to a broader base outside of Fl.
Edit - we have a long ways to go till the 24 elections. I hope everyone can double down on being respectful of differences of opinion and can focus on where we can find commonalities to get s hit done in the country.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
This seems to sum up where I am at on the election at this point. Except to add that neither the swing vote, nor those running the elections, will allow Trump to get into the White House again, he is the only way that Biden has an ice cubes chance in hell of getting re-elected. I wouldnt be surprised if Biden were replaced if Trump were to drop out as the Dems know that he would get killed by anybody other than Trump.
What is funny is last weeks big news here in flyover country was ND Governor Burgum announced his candidacy for president, although he doesnt make the list of also rans anywhere.
Prepare for Four More Years of BidenAttacks on Trump have been never ending, and since Ron DeSantis gained nationwide exposure, mainstream media has constantly looked for ways to also attack him. However, lately I’m seeing more and more attacks on both candidates coming from the Right, including a lot of fake memes showing DeSantis with globalists, Trump-Fauci hugs, and other such garbage. Shouldn’t it be obvious the Left wants a civil war on the Right so their puppet candidate can get another term? Desantis is like Trump without the personal attacks and as much of the baggage, but in what I believe is a leftist-engineered campaign, they’re trying to make him sound like another Establishment Republican along the lines of Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney. Please. Would one of those RINOs have stood strong against Disney and what the media misbranded the “Dont Say Gay” bill? Would they have the courage to open Florida during peak Covid fascism months? Would they have brought on medical experts to question the Covid vaccine & mask worship? Would they have the courage to pursue legislation to counter Big Tech censorship and lack of parental choice in schools? As for Trump, I think the best argument in favor of his election is the enemies he has against him — RINOs, the media, Big Tech, Hollywood, corrupt DA’s, etc.
When primary season hits, it is fair for Trump & Desantis to debate & challenge each other, but if either of them pursues such a scorched Earth attack line that they guarantee another Biden term, they will lose my support. BTW, I don’t think you’ll find a single person in the country who believes Mike Pence or Chris Christie can win the Republican nomination, much less the Presidency. They’re purely members of the Establishment Republican hit squad designed to attack Trump, Desantis, and their supporters — anything to get us back to the Uniparty candidates that governed us most of the past few decades.
The swing vote if fairly tabulated would favor Trump over Biden, imho. But, like you said, the people running these elections in the swing states will do everything in their power to steal it from him. The issue is, they'll do the same for whoever the Republican nominee is. It's a massive and coordinated effort at this point that has the protection of the govt agencies who in turn are rewarded with even more power. I don't know the answer, but I do know it only gets worse the more that people choose to look the other way. Very frustrating and scary time in our nation right now.
I think you under estimate the amount of people that Trump alienated.
And that alienation has grown. Outside of the MAGA base, who wants to go back to that?
If there is one thing the red wave (that never materialized in 22) teaches us is that swing voters dont align with extreme stances on abortion, LGBTQ+ or Woke.
This is especially true in the suburbs.
IMO, this country is destined for another 4 years of Biden if DeSantis is not the team red winner. And it might still be destined for that if Ronnie doesnt find a way to evolve himself a bit the next year or so to appeal to a broader base outside of Fl.
Edit - we have a long ways to go till the 24 elections. I hope everyone can double down on being respectful of differences of opinion and can focus on where we can find commonalities to get s hit done in the country.
DeSantis cant evolve enough to change peoples thoughts on him if those people dont get their news from other sources. The MSM ( and even those that we think are unbiased) have a fun way of slanting the story so even if you are getting the message, its delivered in a way that needs a damn decoder ring to get through the bull shit that the truth is wrapped up in. The swing vote will see this as they are as suspect of the MSM as any, only those that are comfortable with their source of news are going to have the wool pulled over their eyes... but thank fully that part of the populous pretty much balances itself out. If anybody isnt reading/viewing/listening to things from all different sources, then they really arent a swing voter to begin with IMO as they dont want to be swayed in their views by having them challenged.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
This seems to sum up where I am at on the election at this point. Except to add that neither the swing vote, nor those running the elections, will allow Trump to get into the White House again, he is the only way that Biden has an ice cubes chance in hell of getting re-elected. I wouldnt be surprised if Biden were replaced if Trump were to drop out as the Dems know that he would get killed by anybody other than Trump.
What is funny is last weeks big news here in flyover country was ND Governor Burgum announced his candidacy for president, although he doesnt make the list of also rans anywhere.
Prepare for Four More Years of BidenAttacks on Trump have been never ending, and since Ron DeSantis gained nationwide exposure, mainstream media has constantly looked for ways to also attack him. However, lately I’m seeing more and more attacks on both candidates coming from the Right, including a lot of fake memes showing DeSantis with globalists, Trump-Fauci hugs, and other such garbage. Shouldn’t it be obvious the Left wants a civil war on the Right so their puppet candidate can get another term? Desantis is like Trump without the personal attacks and as much of the baggage, but in what I believe is a leftist-engineered campaign, they’re trying to make him sound like another Establishment Republican along the lines of Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney. Please. Would one of those RINOs have stood strong against Disney and what the media misbranded the “Dont Say Gay” bill? Would they have the courage to open Florida during peak Covid fascism months? Would they have brought on medical experts to question the Covid vaccine & mask worship? Would they have the courage to pursue legislation to counter Big Tech censorship and lack of parental choice in schools? As for Trump, I think the best argument in favor of his election is the enemies he has against him — RINOs, the media, Big Tech, Hollywood, corrupt DA’s, etc.
When primary season hits, it is fair for Trump & Desantis to debate & challenge each other, but if either of them pursues such a scorched Earth attack line that they guarantee another Biden term, they will lose my support. BTW, I don’t think you’ll find a single person in the country who believes Mike Pence or Chris Christie can win the Republican nomination, much less the Presidency. They’re purely members of the Establishment Republican hit squad designed to attack Trump, Desantis, and their supporters — anything to get us back to the Uniparty candidates that governed us most of the past few decades.
The swing vote if fairly tabulated would favor Trump over Biden, imho. But, like you said, the people running these elections in the swing states will do everything in their power to steal it from him. The issue is, they'll do the same for whoever the Republican nominee is. It's a massive and coordinated effort at this point that has the protection of the govt agencies who in turn are rewarded with even more power. I don't know the answer, but I do know it only gets worse the more that people choose to look the other way. Very frustrating and scary time in our nation right now.
I think you under estimate the amount of people that Trump alienated.
And that alienation has grown. Outside of the MAGA base, who wants to go back to that?
If there is one thing the red wave (that never materialized in 22) teaches us is that swing voters dont align with extreme stances on abortion, LGBTQ+ or Woke.
This is especially true in the suburbs.
IMO, this country is destined for another 4 years of Biden if DeSantis is not the team red winner. And it might still be destined for that if Ronnie doesnt find a way to evolve himself a bit the next year or so to appeal to a broader base outside of Fl.
Edit - we have a long ways to go till the 24 elections. I hope everyone can double down on being respectful of differences of opinion and can focus on where we can find commonalities to get s hit done in the country.
I think we can all agree the magnitude of $$ going to Ukraine right now isnt kosher.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
This seems to sum up where I am at on the election at this point. Except to add that neither the swing vote, nor those running the elections, will allow Trump to get into the White House again, he is the only way that Biden has an ice cubes chance in hell of getting re-elected. I wouldnt be surprised if Biden were replaced if Trump were to drop out as the Dems know that he would get killed by anybody other than Trump.
What is funny is last weeks big news here in flyover country was ND Governor Burgum announced his candidacy for president, although he doesnt make the list of also rans anywhere.
Prepare for Four More Years of BidenAttacks on Trump have been never ending, and since Ron DeSantis gained nationwide exposure, mainstream media has constantly looked for ways to also attack him. However, lately I’m seeing more and more attacks on both candidates coming from the Right, including a lot of fake memes showing DeSantis with globalists, Trump-Fauci hugs, and other such garbage. Shouldn’t it be obvious the Left wants a civil war on the Right so their puppet candidate can get another term? Desantis is like Trump without the personal attacks and as much of the baggage, but in what I believe is a leftist-engineered campaign, they’re trying to make him sound like another Establishment Republican along the lines of Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney. Please. Would one of those RINOs have stood strong against Disney and what the media misbranded the “Dont Say Gay” bill? Would they have the courage to open Florida during peak Covid fascism months? Would they have brought on medical experts to question the Covid vaccine & mask worship? Would they have the courage to pursue legislation to counter Big Tech censorship and lack of parental choice in schools? As for Trump, I think the best argument in favor of his election is the enemies he has against him — RINOs, the media, Big Tech, Hollywood, corrupt DA’s, etc.
When primary season hits, it is fair for Trump & Desantis to debate & challenge each other, but if either of them pursues such a scorched Earth attack line that they guarantee another Biden term, they will lose my support. BTW, I don’t think you’ll find a single person in the country who believes Mike Pence or Chris Christie can win the Republican nomination, much less the Presidency. They’re purely members of the Establishment Republican hit squad designed to attack Trump, Desantis, and their supporters — anything to get us back to the Uniparty candidates that governed us most of the past few decades.
The swing vote if fairly tabulated would favor Trump over Biden, imho. But, like you said, the people running these elections in the swing states will do everything in their power to steal it from him. The issue is, they'll do the same for whoever the Republican nominee is. It's a massive and coordinated effort at this point that has the protection of the govt agencies who in turn are rewarded with even more power. I don't know the answer, but I do know it only gets worse the more that people choose to look the other way. Very frustrating and scary time in our nation right now.
I think you under estimate the amount of people that Trump alienated.
I don't know about that. I know he alienated quite a few, but how many is anyone's guess. How many are alienated as a result of the barrage of BS that's been leveled against him unfairly since day 1? You're asking him to take on the full onslaught of the govt agencies, social and mainstream media. I guess it is what it is, but what choice has he really had but to call a spade a spade in many cases? Of course, then he says many things that he doesn't need to say that makes him appear childish and petty. We all wish he'd stop that crap. Still, the fact is he had many more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. But with the help of nursing home caregivers, door to door ballot harvesters, and mail in ballot fraud, could any Republican win in 2024, with sleepy Joe supposedly getting 81MM votes, many of them late at night in the swing states? All of that either needs to be one-upped or eliminated in the swing states, or this election robbery is going to be the permanent way in the USA. And I think almost all know it isn't on the up and up.
Quote: @Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
This seems to sum up where I am at on the election at this point. Except to add that neither the swing vote, nor those running the elections, will allow Trump to get into the White House again, he is the only way that Biden has an ice cubes chance in hell of getting re-elected. I wouldnt be surprised if Biden were replaced if Trump were to drop out as the Dems know that he would get killed by anybody other than Trump.
What is funny is last weeks big news here in flyover country was ND Governor Burgum announced his candidacy for president, although he doesnt make the list of also rans anywhere.
Prepare for Four More Years of BidenAttacks on Trump have been never ending, and since Ron DeSantis gained nationwide exposure, mainstream media has constantly looked for ways to also attack him. However, lately I’m seeing more and more attacks on both candidates coming from the Right, including a lot of fake memes showing DeSantis with globalists, Trump-Fauci hugs, and other such garbage. Shouldn’t it be obvious the Left wants a civil war on the Right so their puppet candidate can get another term? Desantis is like Trump without the personal attacks and as much of the baggage, but in what I believe is a leftist-engineered campaign, they’re trying to make him sound like another Establishment Republican along the lines of Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney. Please. Would one of those RINOs have stood strong against Disney and what the media misbranded the “Dont Say Gay” bill? Would they have the courage to open Florida during peak Covid fascism months? Would they have brought on medical experts to question the Covid vaccine & mask worship? Would they have the courage to pursue legislation to counter Big Tech censorship and lack of parental choice in schools? As for Trump, I think the best argument in favor of his election is the enemies he has against him — RINOs, the media, Big Tech, Hollywood, corrupt DA’s, etc.
When primary season hits, it is fair for Trump & Desantis to debate & challenge each other, but if either of them pursues such a scorched Earth attack line that they guarantee another Biden term, they will lose my support. BTW, I don’t think you’ll find a single person in the country who believes Mike Pence or Chris Christie can win the Republican nomination, much less the Presidency. They’re purely members of the Establishment Republican hit squad designed to attack Trump, Desantis, and their supporters — anything to get us back to the Uniparty candidates that governed us most of the past few decades.
The swing vote if fairly tabulated would favor Trump over Biden, imho. But, like you said, the people running these elections in the swing states will do everything in their power to steal it from him. The issue is, they'll do the same for whoever the Republican nominee is. It's a massive and coordinated effort at this point that has the protection of the govt agencies who in turn are rewarded with even more power. I don't know the answer, but I do know it only gets worse the more that people choose to look the other way. Very frustrating and scary time in our nation right now.
I think you under estimate the amount of people that Trump alienated.
I don't know about that. I know he alienated quite a few, but how many is anyone's guess. How many are alienated as a result of the barrage of BS that's been leveled against him unfairly since day 1? You're asking him to take on the full onslaught of the govt agencies, social and mainstream media. I guess it is what it is, but what choice has he really had but to call a spade a spade in many cases? Of course, then he says many things that he doesn't need to say that makes him appear childish and petty. We all wish he'd stop that crap. Still, the fact is he had many more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. But with the help of nursing home caregivers, door to door ballot harvesters, and mail in ballot fraud, could any Republican win in 2024, with sleepy Joe supposedly getting 81MM votes, many of them late at night in the swing states? All of that either needs to be one-upped or eliminated in the swing states, or this election robbery is going to be the permanent way in the USA. And I think almost all know it isn't on the up and up.
many swing voters didnt care that he lost, so they dont care that he may not have lost fairly. If you want those swing voters to give a shit about voter fraud, then give them a candidate that they care about so if somebody does try and pull shit, they wont sit back and stay silent. Trump lost that election before any votes were cast. as far as those lining up against him, he brought that on himself in many cases. a better candidate will be harder to fraudulently steal from IMO.
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