Quote: @greediron said:
@ Nichelle said:
@ greediron said:
@ mblack said:
@ greediron said:
@ mblack said:
Correct. You just changed how you form your opinion. Keep moving the goal post to try and push an unfounded moral high ground
And you are the one moving the goal posts. What about the victim. It was just proven he was guilty of armed robbery. If you want to go down the gaslighting route, I guess that is okay with you?
Have seen some other pretty horrific claims about what he did to her as well. Not sure of the veracity, but they supposedly came from the victim. If he is capable of holding her at gun point over drugs and money, the rest isn't that far off.
So get off your high horse. It turned out to be a fraud.
If you are going to join a dance at least know what music is playing. AG made a claim and admitted his original claim changed and retracted yet I am the one moving the post. So now we are projecting what he could do I see. Like has been stated the incident happened 13 years ago and is not documented how many here claimed happened. But yes I am the one moving the goal post
All what you are struggling too hard to sell has nothing to do with the trial. You should know what you are defending before you start typing.
No, you and Nichelle tried to claim that all the stuff about Floyd was memes and lies.
AGR showed a link that the armed robbery and putting a gun to her was true. Now you want to make it about AGR's opinion of people even though he admitted and retracted part of the statement when proven wrong. You haven't retracted any of your statements. My comment about being frauds stands.
As @ mblack states, that's actually not what happened here. Please re-read my post for reference. To be clear, I challenged the internet rumor that he pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's womb.
Take a minute. Take a breath. And read what I posted.
I apologize. After re-reading your comment, I was wrong. You indeed did point to the pregnancy part being false.
And I would further clarify, none of Floyd's actions justify death. I do think there are many conflicting factors that make it not murder, possibly manslaughter but not murder.
As to Wright, nothing he did justified a death sentence either. I get the bind the police were in as he went back to his vehicle. Nothing good can come of that, but to mistake a lethal weapon for a non-lethal is wrong and the now-resigned officer is rightly being charged.
Thanks @greediron. I appreciate that.
Derek Chauvin tells court he will not testify in his murder trial "I will invoke my Fifth Amendment privilege," said while seated next to his attorney. Derek Chauvin said in court Thursday that he will not testify in his murder trial shortly before the defense said it has completed its case.
"I will invoke my Fifth Amendment privilege" to not risk making any self-incriminating statements in Hennepin County District Court, where the fired Minneapolis police officer is charged with killing George Floyd late last spring in Minneapolis.
Later in the morning, defense attorney Eric Nelson said, "Your honor, the defense rests."
Chauvin's declaration came during a series of questions from his attorney, Eric Nelson, and outside the presence of the jury.
Nelson and Chauvin were seated at the defense table as the defendant held a cordless microphone and had his voice heard for the first time on the record during the trial.
Chauvin agreed that he and Nelson have had many conversations about whether he would testify, including as recently as Wednesday night. Chauvin said he understood that any decision to testify was his alone and neither the state nor the court can equate silence with guilt.
Nelson reminded Chauvin that "the state would have broad latitude" should it have had the opportunity to cross-examine him as a witness in his own defense.
Judge Peter Cahill then reinforced the point about who decides. Asked by the judge this time whether this was his decision, Chauvin said, "It is, your honor."
Nelson also indicated that this would be the day the defense rests. Cahill has said it's his intention, once the defense rested, for the attorneys to make their closing arguments as soon as Monday before jurors are sequestered and deliberate whether Chauvin should be convicted of using excessive force in the killing of Floyd at 38th and Chicago on May 25.
Occupying the Floyd family's seat in court Thursday morning was Arthur Reed, a cousin. Asked outside the courtroom about Chauvin's decision not to testify, Reed said he felt that the prosecution "would have chopped him down second by second" should he have been questioned about why he remained on Floyd for more than 9 minutes.
"We didn't think they were going to put him on at all," Reed said.
He added: "We're just ready to get this over with, make sure [Floyd] gets the justice he deserves. We think the state has put on an excellent case."
Prosecutors later called Dr. Martin Tobin as a rebuttal witness to Wednesday's defense testimony by Dr. David Fowler, who said that carbon monoxide from a nearby police squad may have played a role in Floyd's death.
Tobin said he disagreed with Fowler's contention that Floyd's blood could have contained anywhere from 10 to 18% of the poisonous gas.
He said autopsy results showed Floyd's blood had an oxygen saturation level of 98%, meaning, "all there was for anything else was 2%." Tobin noted that humans normally have anywhere from 0 to 3% of carbon monoxide in their blood at any given moment.
https://www.startribune.com/derek-chauvi...600046200/
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ greediron said:
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Are you fucking kidding me? What pedestal? There is a mural on every fricking wall for him. The guy had multiple televised funerals. People burned/rioted/looted a couple billion dollars worth of stuff over him. The guy was an animal. He committed a crime. Resisted arrest. Crawled through a cop car to get out on the other side where he was restrained. The cop needed to get off of him sooner then he did and certainly broke protocol but I wont shed a tear when Chauvin gets off. If we rid the world of all the violent criminals today it would be a better place for it.
It's an interesting take...
George Floyd unwillingly became an icon for the killing of black people by authorities.
Rather than rage on that, my own focus is on how someone who took the oath to protect and serve murdered a civilian and did it slowly and over a 9 minute span. The fact that the civilian wasn't an angel is irrelevant.
Justice for me is a murderer put behind bars and a bad cop never allowed to wear the badge again. Not that a sullied individual is gone and the world a better place.
Rhetorical question...Might more of the world be enraged by if this if it were a whimpering dog being strangled to death for 9 minutes instead of a black man with a checkered past?
Non-rhetorical answer. not me. Any human has infinitely more worth than an animal.
But if you don't think the world was enraged by Floyd's death, I will ask where you have been? Jimmy said it, I said it, watching that video was difficult. But there is much more to the story. His checkered past isn't a reason to disregard his life. But being on drugs is a reason for the police to detain him. And possibly a reason for them to restrain him even tho he appeared to be subdued. Wouldn't want to be in the position of the police when trying to do drug related arrests.
Any thoughts on the one witness saying the knee wasn't full weight on the neck, but more between the shoulders which is acceptable?
I'll answer your question with a question - which set of experts do you believe?
This was always going to be the $1mm question for the jury to determine.
We should know in the next week or 2 who they believed the most. And did the Defense put enough reasonable doubt out there or not?
Now the question is, did the prosecution screw up and open the door for a mistrial?
As to your question, I don't know who I believe. I haven't watched any of it, just reading bits here and there, so more just the flow of the trial. Seemed the prosecution was doing a much better job than the defense IMO, but now the mistrial option could be ugly.
No it's not open, Tobin just used the Oxygen hemoglobin saturation level, which was not new, just overlooked by the defense. He also just pointed out scientific journals, that he had referenced in prior testimony, relevant lung volume/size and larynx constriction, which the Fowler said he couldn't find. There were 4 points of rebuttal and the new test for carbon monoxide, kind of cool listening to the Judge go over what could and couldn't be admitted Listened to the whole thing got a shot of Moderna yesterday and just listening to stuff I usually don't
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No it's not open, Tobin just used the Oxygen hemoglobin saturation level, which was not new, just overlooked by the defense. He also just pointed out scientific journals, that he had referenced in prior testimony, relevant lung volume/size and larynx constriction, which the Fowler said he couldn't find. There were 4 points of rebuttal and the new test for carbon monoxide, kind of cool listening to the Judge go over what could and couldn't be admitted Listened to the whole thing got a shot of Moderna yesterday and just listening to stuff I usually don't
I am admittedly not a legal geek, so I have no idea. Just saw that the judge upheld the objection by the defense and then the prosecution basically went that way anyway. The O2 sat level wasn't new, but wasn't made available to the defense earlier. Again, I have no idea. But a mistrial probably isn't a good option.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
No it's not open, Tobin just used the Oxygen hemoglobin saturation level, which was not new, just overlooked by the defense. He also just pointed out scientific journals, that he had referenced in prior testimony, relevant lung volume/size and larynx constriction, which the Fowler said he couldn't find. There were 4 points of rebuttal and the new test for carbon monoxide, kind of cool listening to the Judge go over what could and couldn't be admitted Listened to the whole thing got a shot of Moderna yesterday and just listening to stuff I usually don't
I am admittedly not a legal geek, so I have no idea. Just saw that the judge upheld the objection by the defense and then the prosecution basically went that way anyway. The O2 sat level wasn't new, but wasn't made available to the defense earlier. Again, I have no idea. But a mistrial probably isn't a good option.
The O2 saturation level was on the coroner report, the carbon monoxide, CO wasn't, it was 1.5%. Fowler had asserted 10% to 13% CO yesterday. The examiner heard that and called the prosecutor last night to say that CO was not requested by the Emergency room staff for the report, but that data existed as a CO value. Defense objected that they hadn't received that information till 8 am and their expert had high tailed it out of town. The Judge agreed and said they couldn't reference any of the "new" results and if the prosecution intimated to the Jury there were additional information report he would declare a mistrial. So when Dr. Tobin said the O2 saturation was 98%, which was already presented, that would leave a maximum of 2% CO shown by the evidence, had he said 1.5% it would have been declared misstrial.
The prosecution was also given leeway on the heart size, because of the defense experts referencing multiples scales for normal and enlarged with out clarifying, but they didn't correct that. I think Tobin was the most likeable of the two and it was good to get him out in front of the Jury last.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
No it's not open, Tobin just used the Oxygen hemoglobin saturation level, which was not new, just overlooked by the defense. He also just pointed out scientific journals, that he had referenced in prior testimony, relevant lung volume/size and larynx constriction, which the Fowler said he couldn't find. There were 4 points of rebuttal and the new test for carbon monoxide, kind of cool listening to the Judge go over what could and couldn't be admitted Listened to the whole thing got a shot of Moderna yesterday and just listening to stuff I usually don't
I am admittedly not a legal geek, so I have no idea. Just saw that the judge upheld the objection by the defense and then the prosecution basically went that way anyway. The O2 sat level wasn't new, but wasn't made available to the defense earlier. Again, I have no idea. But a mistrial probably isn't a good option.
The O2 saturation level was on the coroner report, the carbon monoxide, CO wasn't, it was 1.5%. Fowler had asserted 10% to 13% CO yesterday. The examiner heard that and called the prosecutor last night to say that CO was not requested by the Emergency room staff for the report, but that data existed as a CO value. Defense objected that they hadn't received that information till 8 am and their expert had high tailed it out of town. The Judge agreed and said they couldn't reference any of the "new" results and if the prosecution intimated to the Jury there were additional information report he would declare a mistrial. So when Dr. Tobin said the O2 saturation was 98%, which was already presented, that would leave a maximum of 2% CO shown by the evidence, had he said 1.5% it would have been declared misstrial.
The prosecution was also given leeway on the heart size, because of the defense experts referencing multiples scales for normal and enlarged with out clarifying, but they didn't correct that. I think Tobin was the most likeable of the two and it was good to get him out in front of the Jury last.
I’m with greed here. I havent watched any of the trial. If you died of asphyxiation shouldnt your O2 be low? Pretty sure some of my elderly clients start to need oxygen when the get in the mid to low 90s.
Closing remarks Monday, then off to the jury...
The judge, in anticipation of jurors being curious about how long their sequestered deliberations might last, told them, "If I were you, I would plan for long and hope for short. ... Whether it's an hour or a week, it's entirely in your province."
Cahill had adjourned proceedings until Monday but unexpectedly called for the trial's resumption Friday without the jury present. The topic was how the jury will be instructed by the judge.
Until Monday's reconvening, the judge told the jurors that he and the attorneys will be going over administrative and legal matters including the wording of his instructions to them on how to apply the law in this case.
Cahill also told them they will have a computer and a monitor so they can go over audio and video evidence as they wish while in the deliberation room and not be required to return to the courtroom for any reviewing.
https://www.startribune.com/derek-chauvi...600046200/
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
No it's not open, Tobin just used the Oxygen hemoglobin saturation level, which was not new, just overlooked by the defense. He also just pointed out scientific journals, that he had referenced in prior testimony, relevant lung volume/size and larynx constriction, which the Fowler said he couldn't find. There were 4 points of rebuttal and the new test for carbon monoxide, kind of cool listening to the Judge go over what could and couldn't be admitted Listened to the whole thing got a shot of Moderna yesterday and just listening to stuff I usually don't
I am admittedly not a legal geek, so I have no idea. Just saw that the judge upheld the objection by the defense and then the prosecution basically went that way anyway. The O2 sat level wasn't new, but wasn't made available to the defense earlier. Again, I have no idea. But a mistrial probably isn't a good option.
The O2 saturation level was on the coroner report, the carbon monoxide, CO wasn't, it was 1.5%. Fowler had asserted 10% to 13% CO yesterday. The examiner heard that and called the prosecutor last night to say that CO was not requested by the Emergency room staff for the report, but that data existed as a CO value. Defense objected that they hadn't received that information till 8 am and their expert had high tailed it out of town. The Judge agreed and said they couldn't reference any of the "new" results and if the prosecution intimated to the Jury there were additional information report he would declare a mistrial. So when Dr. Tobin said the O2 saturation was 98%, which was already presented, that would leave a maximum of 2% CO shown by the evidence, had he said 1.5% it would have been declared misstrial.
The prosecution was also given leeway on the heart size, because of the defense experts referencing multiples scales for normal and enlarged with out clarifying, but they didn't correct that. I think Tobin was the most likeable of the two and it was good to get him out in front of the Jury last.
I’m with greed here. I havent watched any of the trial. If you died of asphyxiation shouldnt your O2 be low? Pretty sure some of my elderly clients start to need oxygen when the get in the mid to low 90s.
Not sure, but what I read, this was related to the claim that Floyd was near the exhaust of a running car and that somehow contributed to his death.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
No it's not open, Tobin just used the Oxygen hemoglobin saturation level, which was not new, just overlooked by the defense. He also just pointed out scientific journals, that he had referenced in prior testimony, relevant lung volume/size and larynx constriction, which the Fowler said he couldn't find. There were 4 points of rebuttal and the new test for carbon monoxide, kind of cool listening to the Judge go over what could and couldn't be admitted Listened to the whole thing got a shot of Moderna yesterday and just listening to stuff I usually don't
I am admittedly not a legal geek, so I have no idea. Just saw that the judge upheld the objection by the defense and then the prosecution basically went that way anyway. The O2 sat level wasn't new, but wasn't made available to the defense earlier. Again, I have no idea. But a mistrial probably isn't a good option.
The O2 saturation level was on the coroner report, the carbon monoxide, CO wasn't, it was 1.5%. Fowler had asserted 10% to 13% CO yesterday. The examiner heard that and called the prosecutor last night to say that CO was not requested by the Emergency room staff for the report, but that data existed as a CO value. Defense objected that they hadn't received that information till 8 am and their expert had high tailed it out of town. The Judge agreed and said they couldn't reference any of the "new" results and if the prosecution intimated to the Jury there were additional information report he would declare a mistrial. So when Dr. Tobin said the O2 saturation was 98%, which was already presented, that would leave a maximum of 2% CO shown by the evidence, had he said 1.5% it would have been declared misstrial.
The prosecution was also given leeway on the heart size, because of the defense experts referencing multiples scales for normal and enlarged with out clarifying, but they didn't correct that. I think Tobin was the most likeable of the two and it was good to get him out in front of the Jury last.
I’m with greed here. I havent watched any of the trial. If you died of asphyxiation shouldnt your O2 be low? Pretty sure some of my elderly clients start to need oxygen when the get in the mid to low 90s.
Not sure, but what I read, this was related to the claim that Floyd was near the exhaust of a running car and that somehow contributed to his death.
On cross Fowler was without a clue if the car was running, doubt that is a practice to leave a squad running while engaging with a suspect with a crowd around. It is a hybrid though, so the CO emissions are minimal, moot point only 1.5 % in his blood stream. As far as the asphyxia check out the testimony of Dr. Tobin, he went through the whole thing very systematically and that's his wheelhouse, pulmonary respiratory system. I have been watching way too much of it the past couple week's prolly three or four hr's a day, feel real ghoulish at times. Its fun to see your guy's questions and observations. like Greed and the judge overruling the new CO readings, that was done before the jury was in the room and the limits were laid out, mistrial was going to happen immediately. That Fowler through it out there was the reason for the rebut, no one considered it a relevant fact and it wasn't.
You want some real conspiracy stuff take a look at Fowlers background, timing of his retirement. The dude seems to be making Bank while he can testifying in these cases. Could be a reason he left town so fast, bet that check was cashed quickly.
Fowler resigned after his role in the autopsy of another Black man killed by policeFowler's theory on Floyd's death — which he says was caused by a sudden heart event — matches the one he gave in the 2018 death of 19-year-old Anton Black, a Black man who died after being restrained and pinned to the ground by police.
Fowler, a former professor at Johns Hopkins University, served as Maryland's chief medical examiner until he resigned in 2019. He is being sued in federal court by Black's family.
"Two years before George Floyd died after being restrained and pinned down by police, 19- year-old Anton Black ... was killed by three white law enforcement officials and a white civilian in a chillingly similar manner on Maryland's Eastern Shore," the lawsuit viewed by Insider says.
Derek Chauvin Defense Expert Sued by Family of Black Man Killed by Cops (insider.com)
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