Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
I did. It was in regard to those to whom Christians are sent to share the Good News. What does that have to do with this "discussion"?
You can't be serious. You know what it means. The people being called to judgement in Matthew are the panta ta ethne, or "all the nations." And you know exactly why that's relevant in today's politics.
Sometimes it makes me wonder if you worship more at the throne of Ayn Rand than Jesus Christ. I'm not a devout Christian. I'd be interested in you explaining your concept in greater detail.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
I did. It was in regard to those to whom Christians are sent to share the Good News. What does that have to do with this "discussion"?
You can't be serious. You know what it means. The people being called to judgement in Matthew are the panta ta ethne, or "all the nations." And you know exactly why that's relevant in today's politics.
Sometimes it makes me wonder if you worship more at the throne of Ayn Rand than Jesus Christ. I'm not a devout Christian. I'd be interested in you explaining your concept in greater detail.
The Great Commission as it is known, was Jesus sending the disciples to baptize all the nations in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is the universal call to share the Good News, to share the reason for the Joy we should have. Not in a political or forced sense, but willingness to share that reason for joy with others.
But I have never heard what MaroonBells is referencing as the people being called to judgement. And I have never heard it tied to politics. Now I am not a fan of Ayn Rand, haven't read the books and try to keep politics from affecting my faith. My faith should affect who I am and all I do, so one really can't claim that they keep their faith out of politics. To me that is like saying faith is something I pretend to believe on Sundays from 10-11 am.
So I have no idea either and would love to hear the reason for this dire claim of "all the nations" being some political structure.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ medaille said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
I did. It was in regard to those to whom Christians are sent to share the Good News. What does that have to do with this "discussion"?
You can't be serious. You know what it means. The people being called to judgement in Matthew are the panta ta ethne, or "all the nations." And you know exactly why that's relevant in today's politics.
Sometimes it makes me wonder if you worship more at the throne of Ayn Rand than Jesus Christ. I'm not a devout Christian. I'd be interested in you explaining your concept in greater detail.
The Great Commission as it is known, was Jesus sending the disciples to baptize all the nations in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is the universal call to share the Good News, to share the reason for the Joy we should have. Not in a political or forced sense, but willingness to share that reason for joy with others.
But I have never heard what MaroonBells is referencing as the people being called to judgement. And I have never heard it tied to politics. Now I am not a fan of Ayn Rand, haven't read the books and try to keep politics from affecting my faith. My faith should affect who I am and all I do, so one really can't claim that they keep their faith out of politics. To me that is like saying faith is something I pretend to believe on Sundays from 10-11 am.
So I have no idea either and would love to hear the reason for this dire claim of "all the nations" being some political structure.
I've never read any of Rand's stuff either... and I, too, am curious to hear more about this "panta ta ethne".
Pumpf and Greed, I did some reading up on it last night and the only "controversy"...if you want to call it that...is the concept of "nations" (I.e. governmental entities) as opposed to "peoples" or "races" in the Great Commission call. Here's an example link, and just as you might suppose, which sect or branch of Christianity you find may have their own take on it's meaning.
https://missionexus.org/some-thoughts-on...l-nations/
Quote: @Ralphie said:
Pumpf and Greed, I did some reading up on it last night and the only "controversy"...if you want to call it that...is the concept of "nations" (I.e. governmental entities) as opposed to "peoples" or "races" in the Great Commission call. Here's an example link, and just as you might suppose, which sect or branch of Christianity you find may have their own take on it's meaning.
https://missionexus.org/some-thoughts-on...l-nations/
After a bit of googling.
I found a few passages in Matthew all using panata ta ethne in different contexts.
Matthew 24:9 "Then they will deliver you to
tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by panta ta ethne because
of My name.
Matthew 24:14 "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole
world as a testimony to panta ta ethne, and then the end will come.
Matthew 25:32 " Panta ta ethne will be gathered before Him; and
He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep
from the goats."
Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of panta ta ethne,
baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
http://and-not-a-bit-wiser.blogspot.com/...ament.html
Quote: @medaille said:
@ Ralphie said:
Pumpf and Greed, I did some reading up on it last night and the only "controversy"...if you want to call it that...is the concept of "nations" (I.e. governmental entities) as opposed to "peoples" or "races" in the Great Commission call. Here's an example link, and just as you might suppose, which sect or branch of Christianity you find may have their own take on it's meaning.
https://missionexus.org/some-thoughts-on...l-nations/
After a bit of googling.
I found a few passages in Matthew all using panata ta ethne in different contexts.
Matthew 24:9 "Then they will deliver you to
tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by panta ta ethne because
of My name.
Matthew 24:14 "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole
world as a testimony to panta ta ethne, and then the end will come.
Matthew 25:32 " Panta ta ethne will be gathered before Him; and
He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep
from the goats."
Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of panta ta ethne,
baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
http://and-not-a-bit-wiser.blogspot.com/2009/07/use-of-panta-ta-ethne-in-new-testament.html
You're post is helpful- inasmuch as it shows which passages have those words. But I'm still failing to see the connection to liberal theocracy. Maybe I'll go read the link that Ralphie posted.
Nope. I read it. Didn't help. My guess is that Maroon heard it as a talking point- and regurgitated it- without really knowing anything about it. And now that's he's been asked about it, he actually looked it up for himself... and saw how flawed that theology was. Hence, the silence.
Jesus, doesn't anyone work around here? If I get time, I'll explain what I mean at some point tonight when I get home. But haven't we had this conversation several times in past? Or am I making too many assumptions about what I thought were WELL known divisions between liberal and conservative believers in terms of how we're to treat the least among us, the role of individuals vs. the role of government, etc.
Jesus never worked here that I can recall.
As to your assumption, nope. Never heard of that discussion.
We started with Jussie and got to Jesus. I didn't see that coming.
Quote: @greediron said:
Jesus never worked here that I can recall.
As to your assumption, nope. Never heard of that discussion.
Good job, Greed. Jesus punched your ticket on that one. :-)
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