Floyd Murder Trial

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@BigAl99 said:

@AGRforever said:

@mblack said:

@greediron said:

@mblack said:

@AGRforever said:

@mblack said:

@AGRforever said:

@mblack said:

@AGRforever said:

@Nichelle said:

Youre welcome to choose your heros.  I’ll pick ones who dont hold pregnant women at gun point while they burglarize them. 

You should stop. I have not seen a single person on this board call George Floyd a hero other than in accusatory posts. He's not a hero. But, he was a human being. And so was Daunte Wright.

Just for clarification someone who holds a gun to a pregnant womans womb isnt human.

Just for clarification...
Someone who spreads baseless claims about a dead person to score cheap points on a message board has no conscience, no decency nor respect for humans.

I actually never saw the meme. Only “reports”. Ill retract the pregnate claim since the incident report doesnt specify. The rest is true. Here is the incident report. 

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/34242985.pdf

So is he now a human in your eyes since he did not hold a gun to a pregnant woman's womb?

The guy held a gun to a pregnant womans womb a woman at gun point while his buddies robbed her. My opinion on his humanity hasnt changed. 

Correct. You just changed how you form your opinion. Keep moving the goal post to try and push an unfounded moral high ground

And you are the one moving the goal posts.  What about the victim.  It was just proven he was guilty of armed robbery.  If you want to go down the gaslighting route, I guess that is okay with you?  

Have seen some other pretty horrific claims about what he did to her as well.  Not sure of the veracity, but they supposedly came from the victim.  If he is capable of holding her at gun point over drugs and money, the rest isn't that far off.

So get off your high horse.  It turned out to be a fraud.

If you are going to join a dance at least know what music is playing. AG made a claim and admitted his original claim changed and retracted yet I am the one moving the post. So now we are projecting what he could do I see. Like has been stated the incident happened 13 years ago and is not documented how many here claimed happened.
I am not sure what you say was proven. No one said he was not involved in armed robbery. Again go back and read. I actually provided proof that he did take part in an armed robbery but did not point a gun at a pregnant woman.
All what you are struggling too hard to sell has nothing to do with the trial. You should know what you are defending before you start typing.

Actually I provided the incident report. You said she wasnt pregnant. I went and looked. Admited my fault. 

But that has nothing to do with moving goalposts. The dude was a shit stain before and after he was put on the pedistal. 

What F-ing pedestal?  That's your assertion, this is about a cop using excessive force and killing someone in a very gruesome manor. The rest is just your trying to justify the "officers" actions to be consistent with your values.

Are you fucking kidding me?  What pedestal?  There is a mural on every fricking wall for him.  The guy had multiple televised funerals. People burned/rioted/looted a couple billion dollars worth of stuff over him.  The guy was an animal.  He committed a crime.  Resisted arrest.  Crawled through a cop car to get out on the other side where he was restrained.  The cop needed to get off of him sooner then he did and certainly broke protocol but I wont shed a tear when Chauvin gets off.  If we rid the world of all the violent criminals today it would be a better place for it. 

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@MaroonBells said:

@Nichelle said:

@AGRforever said:

@Nichelle said:

@AGRforever said:

@mblack said:

@AGRforever said:

@mblack said:
Using the line of reasoning found on this thread, I will not be surprised to hear that Daunte Wright died because his car crashed into another car not because he was shot.
Also in "their" line of reasoning the officer was not not at fault because the officer mistakenly pulled a gun instead of the taser that was intended.
To conclude, Daunte was "justifiably" shot because he was resisting arrest and tried getting back in his car so it is his fault.
The officer went above and beyond announcing an intent to taser him and killing him is a not an issue given Daunte had an outstanding warrant.
The length some people would go to is just mind boggling.

Poor poor Daunte tried running from the police because he had a warrant out for his arrest.  Had he not tried re-entering his car to run from law enforcement he would have never been in that situation to begin with. 

We had a mother and 2 children killed by some asshat who ran from police and crashed through an intersection less then a 1/4 mile from where I work.  I wish the cops would have shot him before he ran.  I wish the cops would have shot him while running.  I wish there would have been an "accidental discharge" several times into the piece of shit at the scene who killed those innocent kids and their mom.  There is a husband and a infant left behind because someone ran from a warrant here.  Fuck those who think they can outrun the police because they saw it on a video game or movie.   

So you're damn right I don't have an issue. 

Question, Will there be 10 televised funerals and a golden coffin for Daunte?

At the bold: Stupidity + childishness provides an interesting display of shallow thinking. It's a joy to see it on display free of charge.

Youre welcome to choose your heros.  I’ll pick ones who dont hold pregnant women at gun point while they burglarize them. 

You should stop. I have not seen a single person on this board call George Floyd a hero other than in accusatory posts. He's not a hero. But, he was a human being. And so was Daunte Wright.

Just for clarification someone who holds a gun to a pregnant womans womb isnt human.

I've never wanted to go down this rabbit hole, because it should not have mattered on that fateful day. Just for clarification there is no documentation I have found of him holding a gun to a woman's womb other than internet memes and Candace Owens videos. 

Even if you read the police report from that incident, there is no commentary about a pregnant woman. And there is nothing in court records.

Where did you get that? Is he human now?

Your patience is inspirational. 

Or some sort of unhealthy desire for punishment aka typical Vikings fan

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@Nichelle said:

@MaroonBells said:

@Nichelle said:

@AGRforever said:

@Nichelle said:

@AGRforever said:

@mblack said:

@AGRforever said:

@mblack said:
Using the line of reasoning found on this thread, I will not be surprised to hear that Daunte Wright died because his car crashed into another car not because he was shot.
Also in "their" line of reasoning the officer was not not at fault because the officer mistakenly pulled a gun instead of the taser that was intended.
To conclude, Daunte was "justifiably" shot because he was resisting arrest and tried getting back in his car so it is his fault.
The officer went above and beyond announcing an intent to taser him and killing him is a not an issue given Daunte had an outstanding warrant.
The length some people would go to is just mind boggling.

Poor poor Daunte tried running from the police because he had a warrant out for his arrest.  Had he not tried re-entering his car to run from law enforcement he would have never been in that situation to begin with. 

We had a mother and 2 children killed by some asshat who ran from police and crashed through an intersection less then a 1/4 mile from where I work.  I wish the cops would have shot him before he ran.  I wish the cops would have shot him while running.  I wish there would have been an "accidental discharge" several times into the piece of shit at the scene who killed those innocent kids and their mom.  There is a husband and a infant left behind because someone ran from a warrant here.  Fuck those who think they can outrun the police because they saw it on a video game or movie.   

So you're damn right I don't have an issue. 

Question, Will there be 10 televised funerals and a golden coffin for Daunte?

At the bold: Stupidity + childishness provides an interesting display of shallow thinking. It's a joy to see it on display free of charge.

Youre welcome to choose your heros.  I’ll pick ones who dont hold pregnant women at gun point while they burglarize them. 

You should stop. I have not seen a single person on this board call George Floyd a hero other than in accusatory posts. He's not a hero. But, he was a human being. And so was Daunte Wright.

Just for clarification someone who holds a gun to a pregnant womans womb isnt human.

I've never wanted to go down this rabbit hole, because it should not have mattered on that fateful day. Just for clarification there is no documentation I have found of him holding a gun to a woman's womb other than internet memes and Candace Owens videos. 

Even if you read the police report from that incident, there is no commentary about a pregnant woman. And there is nothing in court records.

Where did you get that? Is he human now?

Your patience is inspirational. 

Or some sort of unhealthy desire for punishment aka typical Vikings fan

Ha! No, i just mean I read some of this stuff and just lose it. I can't respond or I'd be kicked off the board. You remain calm, reasoned. It's impressive. 

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@MaroonBells said:

@Nichelle said:

@MaroonBells said:

@Nichelle said:

@AGRforever said:

@Nichelle said:

@AGRforever said:

@mblack said:

@AGRforever said:

@mblack said:
Using the line of reasoning found on this thread, I will not be surprised to hear that Daunte Wright died because his car crashed into another car not because he was shot.
Also in "their" line of reasoning the officer was not not at fault because the officer mistakenly pulled a gun instead of the taser that was intended.
To conclude, Daunte was "justifiably" shot because he was resisting arrest and tried getting back in his car so it is his fault.
The officer went above and beyond announcing an intent to taser him and killing him is a not an issue given Daunte had an outstanding warrant.
The length some people would go to is just mind boggling.

Poor poor Daunte tried running from the police because he had a warrant out for his arrest.  Had he not tried re-entering his car to run from law enforcement he would have never been in that situation to begin with. 

We had a mother and 2 children killed by some asshat who ran from police and crashed through an intersection less then a 1/4 mile from where I work.  I wish the cops would have shot him before he ran.  I wish the cops would have shot him while running.  I wish there would have been an "accidental discharge" several times into the piece of shit at the scene who killed those innocent kids and their mom.  There is a husband and a infant left behind because someone ran from a warrant here.  Fuck those who think they can outrun the police because they saw it on a video game or movie.   

So you're damn right I don't have an issue. 

Question, Will there be 10 televised funerals and a golden coffin for Daunte?

At the bold: Stupidity + childishness provides an interesting display of shallow thinking. It's a joy to see it on display free of charge.

Youre welcome to choose your heros.  I’ll pick ones who dont hold pregnant women at gun point while they burglarize them. 

You should stop. I have not seen a single person on this board call George Floyd a hero other than in accusatory posts. He's not a hero. But, he was a human being. And so was Daunte Wright.

Just for clarification someone who holds a gun to a pregnant womans womb isnt human.

I've never wanted to go down this rabbit hole, because it should not have mattered on that fateful day. Just for clarification there is no documentation I have found of him holding a gun to a woman's womb other than internet memes and Candace Owens videos. 

Even if you read the police report from that incident, there is no commentary about a pregnant woman. And there is nothing in court records.

Where did you get that? Is he human now?

Your patience is inspirational. 

Or some sort of unhealthy desire for punishment aka typical Vikings fan

Ha! No, i just mean I read some of this stuff and just lose it. I can't respond or I'd be kicked off the board. You remain calm, reasoned. It's impressive. 

She's more intelligent and mature than we are. 
Sometimes we  just have to acknowledge a superior presence. 

And she has a margarita machine...so she's got that going for her.

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@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:

@AGRforever said:

@mblack said:

@greediron said:

@mblack said:

@AGRforever said:

@mblack said:

@AGRforever said:

@mblack said:

@AGRforever said:

@Nichelle said:

Youre welcome to choose your heros.  I’ll pick ones who dont hold pregnant women at gun point while they burglarize them. 

You should stop. I have not seen a single person on this board call George Floyd a hero other than in accusatory posts. He's not a hero. But, he was a human being. And so was Daunte Wright.

Just for clarification someone who holds a gun to a pregnant womans womb isnt human.

Just for clarification...
Someone who spreads baseless claims about a dead person to score cheap points on a message board has no conscience, no decency nor respect for humans.

I actually never saw the meme. Only “reports”. Ill retract the pregnate claim since the incident report doesnt specify. The rest is true. Here is the incident report. 

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/34242985.pdf

So is he now a human in your eyes since he did not hold a gun to a pregnant woman's womb?

The guy held a gun to a pregnant womans womb a woman at gun point while his buddies robbed her. My opinion on his humanity hasnt changed. 

Correct. You just changed how you form your opinion. Keep moving the goal post to try and push an unfounded moral high ground

And you are the one moving the goal posts.  What about the victim.  It was just proven he was guilty of armed robbery.  If you want to go down the gaslighting route, I guess that is okay with you?  

Have seen some other pretty horrific claims about what he did to her as well.  Not sure of the veracity, but they supposedly came from the victim.  If he is capable of holding her at gun point over drugs and money, the rest isn't that far off.

So get off your high horse.  It turned out to be a fraud.

If you are going to join a dance at least know what music is playing. AG made a claim and admitted his original claim changed and retracted yet I am the one moving the post. So now we are projecting what he could do I see. Like has been stated the incident happened 13 years ago and is not documented how many here claimed happened.
I am not sure what you say was proven. No one said he was not involved in armed robbery. Again go back and read. I actually provided proof that he did take part in an armed robbery but did not point a gun at a pregnant woman.
All what you are struggling too hard to sell has nothing to do with the trial. You should know what you are defending before you start typing.

Actually I provided the incident report. You said she wasnt pregnant. I went and looked. Admited my fault. 

But that has nothing to do with moving goalposts. The dude was a shit stain before and after he was put on the pedistal. 

What F-ing pedestal?  That's your assertion, this is about a cop using excessive force and killing someone in a very gruesome manor. The rest is just your trying to justify the "officers" actions to be consistent with your values.

Are you fucking kidding me?  What pedestal?  There is a mural on every fricking wall for him.  The guy had multiple televised funerals. People burned/rioted/looted a couple billion dollars worth of stuff over him.  The guy was an animal.  He committed a crime.  Resisted arrest.  Crawled through a cop car to get out on the other side where he was restrained.  The cop needed to get off of him sooner then he did and certainly broke protocol but I wont shed a tear when Chauvin gets off.  If we rid the world of all the violent criminals today it would be a better place for it. 

It's an interesting take...

George Floyd unwillingly became an icon for the killing of black people by authorities.

Rather than rage on that, my own focus is on how someone who took the oath to protect and serve murdered a civilian and did it slowly and over a 9 minute span. The fact that the civilian wasn't an angel is irrelevant.

Justice for me is a murderer put behind bars and a bad cop never allowed to wear the badge again. Not that a sullied individual is gone and the world a better place.  

Rhetorical question...Might more of the world be enraged by if this if it were a whimpering dog being strangled to death for 9 minutes instead of a black man with a checkered past? 

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Floyd's family meeting Wrights family should never have happened...

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@purplefaithful said:

Floyd's family meeting Wrights family should never have happened...

Heard they already met.  Floyd's girlfriend was Wright's teacher?

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@purplefaithful said:

@AGRforever said:

Are you fucking kidding me?  What pedestal?  There is a mural on every fricking wall for him.  The guy had multiple televised funerals. People burned/rioted/looted a couple billion dollars worth of stuff over him.  The guy was an animal.  He committed a crime.  Resisted arrest.  Crawled through a cop car to get out on the other side where he was restrained.  The cop needed to get off of him sooner then he did and certainly broke protocol but I wont shed a tear when Chauvin gets off.  If we rid the world of all the violent criminals today it would be a better place for it. 

It's an interesting take...

George Floyd unwillingly became an icon for the killing of black people by authorities.

Rather than rage on that, my own focus is on how someone who took the oath to protect and serve murdered a civilian and did it slowly and over a 9 minute span. The fact that the civilian wasn't an angel is irrelevant.

Justice for me is a murderer put behind bars and a bad cop never allowed to wear the badge again. Not that a sullied individual is gone and the world a better place.  

Rhetorical question...Might more of the world be enraged by if this if it were a whimpering dog being strangled to death for 9 minutes instead of a black man with a checkered past? 

Non-rhetorical answer.  not me.  Any human has infinitely more worth than an animal.  

But if you don't think the world was enraged by Floyd's death, I will ask where you have been?  Jimmy said it, I said it, watching that video was difficult.  But there is much more to the story.  His checkered past isn't a reason to disregard his life.  But being on drugs is a reason for the police to detain him.  And possibly a reason for them to restrain him even tho he appeared to be subdued.  Wouldn't want to be in the position of the police when trying to do drug related arrests.  

Any thoughts on the one witness saying the knee wasn't full weight on the neck, but more between the shoulders which is acceptable?

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@Nichelle said:

@greediron said:

@mblack said:

@greediron said:

@mblack said:

Correct. You just changed how you form your opinion. Keep moving the goal post to try and push an unfounded moral high ground

And you are the one moving the goal posts.  What about the victim.  It was just proven he was guilty of armed robbery.  If you want to go down the gaslighting route, I guess that is okay with you?  

Have seen some other pretty horrific claims about what he did to her as well.  Not sure of the veracity, but they supposedly came from the victim.  If he is capable of holding her at gun point over drugs and money, the rest isn't that far off.

So get off your high horse.  It turned out to be a fraud.

If you are going to join a dance at least know what music is playing. AG made a claim and admitted his original claim changed and retracted yet I am the one moving the post. So now we are projecting what he could do I see. Like has been stated the incident happened 13 years ago and is not documented how many here claimed happened. But yes I am the one moving the goal post
All what you are struggling too hard to sell has nothing to do with the trial. You should know what you are defending before you start typing.

No, you and Nichelle tried to claim that all the stuff about Floyd was memes and lies.

AGR showed a link that the armed robbery and putting a gun to her was true.  Now you want to make it about AGR's opinion of people even though he admitted and retracted part of the statement when proven wrong.  You haven't retracted any of your statements.  My comment about being frauds stands.  

As @mblack states, that's actually not what happened here. Please re-read my post for reference. To be clear, I challenged the internet rumor that he pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's womb. 

Take a minute. Take a breath. And read what I posted.

I apologize.  After re-reading your comment, I was wrong.  You indeed did point to the pregnancy part being false.

And I would further clarify, none of Floyd's actions justify death.  I do think there are many conflicting factors that make it not murder, possibly manslaughter but not murder.

As to Wright, nothing he did justified a death sentence either.  I get the bind the police were in as he went back to his vehicle.  Nothing good can come of that, but to mistake a lethal weapon for a non-lethal is wrong and the now-resigned officer is rightly being charged.  

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@greediron said:

@purplefaithful said:

@AGRforever said:

Are you fucking kidding me?  What pedestal?  There is a mural on every fricking wall for him.  The guy had multiple televised funerals. People burned/rioted/looted a couple billion dollars worth of stuff over him.  The guy was an animal.  He committed a crime.  Resisted arrest.  Crawled through a cop car to get out on the other side where he was restrained.  The cop needed to get off of him sooner then he did and certainly broke protocol but I wont shed a tear when Chauvin gets off.  If we rid the world of all the violent criminals today it would be a better place for it. 

It's an interesting take...

George Floyd unwillingly became an icon for the killing of black people by authorities.

Rather than rage on that, my own focus is on how someone who took the oath to protect and serve murdered a civilian and did it slowly and over a 9 minute span. The fact that the civilian wasn't an angel is irrelevant.

Justice for me is a murderer put behind bars and a bad cop never allowed to wear the badge again. Not that a sullied individual is gone and the world a better place.  

Rhetorical question...Might more of the world be enraged by if this if it were a whimpering dog being strangled to death for 9 minutes instead of a black man with a checkered past? 

Non-rhetorical answer.  not me.  Any human has infinitely more worth than an animal.  

But if you don't think the world was enraged by Floyd's death, I will ask where you have been?  Jimmy said it, I said it, watching that video was difficult.  But there is much more to the story.  His checkered past isn't a reason to disregard his life.  But being on drugs is a reason for the police to detain him.  And possibly a reason for them to restrain him even tho he appeared to be subdued.  Wouldn't want to be in the position of the police when trying to do drug related arrests.  

Any thoughts on the one witness saying the knee wasn't full weight on the neck, but more between the shoulders which is acceptable?

I'll answer your question with a question - which set of experts do you believe?

This was always going to be the $1mm question for the jury to determine.

We should know in the next week or 2 who they believed the most. And did the Defense put enough reasonable doubt out there or not?