Sondland bombshell: Trump, Giuliani directed the quid pro quo

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@A1Janitor said:
Watch the biden video where he comes out and admits he told them “fire the prosecutor who is investigating Burisma or you lose the aid. 

The evidence is clear that is exactly what happened. 

Keep watching. 

Bullshit.

He doesn't say "who is investigating Burisma".  That's another case of you embellishing the facts to help push your own narrative and it's completely fucking untrue.



Biden pressured Ukraine to fire Shokin - true.  He threatened to withhold aid - true.  But he did so in regards to Shokin for NOT investigating Burisma and others.  That's the part you get wrong.

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Does a C-SPAN Video Show Joe Biden ‘Confessing to Bribery’?The U.S. may have pushed for the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor, but not for the reasons implied in a video clip.

• BETHANIA PALMA

• PUBLISHED 9 OCTOBER 2019

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A C-SPAN video shows former Vice President Joe Biden confessing that he "bribed" Ukraine to drop the Burisma investigation.

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As an impeachment inquiry into U.S. President Donald Trump’s actions commenced in October 2019, so did partisan invocations of whataboutism — a logical fallacy that involves “a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.”
One example of such was a video clip posted to C-SPAN’s website on Sept. 21, 2019 under the title “Joe Biden Confesses to Bribery.” The video was accompanied by a caption reading “Former Vice President Joe Biden confesses to being in charge of Ukraine for the Obama Administration, and withholding $1 billion in loan guarantees from the USA to force Ukraine to fire prosecutor who was looking into the company that Hunter Biden was receiving $83,000+ PER MONTH from”:

The user-created clip fostered a false impression by pairing a misleading caption with an excerpt from a much longer video with no context. (The video carries a statement from C-SPAN noting that “This clip, title, and description were not created by C-SPAN.”)
President Trump has been accused by a whistleblower, and is under a House-led impeachment inquiry, for allegedly attempting to coerce Ukraine into provide damaging information on Trump political rival Joe Biden by withholding crucial military aid from that country. The video on C-SPAN’s website attempted to show Biden, a potential political rival for the presidency in 2020, admitting to a parallel wrongdoing during a trip to Ukraine in 2016:

And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.
So they said they had — they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to — or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said — I said, call him. I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.

Jesus Christ you get your facts so ass backwards it's laughable. 

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LMAO NOT lNVESTIGATING BURISMA! 

Joe wanted his son investigated before he would release the aid.  hahahahaha

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Shokin had investigated Burisma earlier BEFORE Hunter was on the board and had dropped it.  Several other cases were also dropped or not investigated by Shokin.

And yes, even Republicans were on board with Biden pushing Shokin to be fired for not investigating these cases into corruption.  Sorry the facts don't fit your narrative, now you know why all this shit sounds fucking ridiculous. 


And what's hilarious is this coming from a guy who quotes John Solomon and Rudy G's conspiracy theories as "documents".

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@A1Janitor said:
Yes.  John Solomon.  Award winning journalist.  

Read his words ... look at his evidence.  

You like attacking people.  Attack his proof.  

Durham is coming. 

I already did attack his proof.

Just because you're too lazy to read, or illiterate isn't my fault.  I showed the article and it spells out the origins of this hoax journalism led back to Rudy G.  Nothing rooted in fact.  

There's a dozen articles on Solomon's hoax.  His articles have been halted and are under review by his own publisher. 

Do you read anything beyond your own nonsense?

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Read Solomon.  He puts links to real
documents.  

You are dead wrong in what you are saying. 

They spied on Solomon and Carter ... the deep state and all of Schiff’s witnesses are connected.

We are going to see a different outcome with Ukraine than you think.  

It will be soon. 

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werent we promised some earth shattering report the week of TG?  its here,  are we still expecting something this week?

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Horowitz’s report is coming out December 9.  He testifies December 11.  He is the IG overlooking FBI and DOJ and has no real power. 

The real criminal is Brennan.  Durham is criminally investigating the start of the Russian Hoax ... which was a CIA operation.  Durham has empaneled a grand jury, and has been overseas multiple times putting it all together.  

It has been reported (I forget where) that CIA officials have lawyered up).

The other investigation is the Clinton Foundation by Huber.  

It will all come out. 

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Here is a new article by Sara Carter.  Good read.

https://saraacarter.com/fisa-alterations-could-pose-significant-trouble-for-fbi-fruit-of-the-poisonous-tree/

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@JimmyinSD said:

@SFVikeFan said:
Seriously A1, you push complete and utter bullshit from sources that are totally unverified and in many cases debunked.

John Solomon is one of them.

You literally have no comprehension between facts and opinions.   You pass opinion off as fact and argue that facts are not credible. 

I can't count how many times I have now busted your ass for propaganda and lies but it's ridiculous.  You strike me as a very gullible old man who believes ANYTHING he reads on the internet as long as it agrees with your own opinions of right and wrong.


But make no mistake,  this whole debacle of Ukraine interfered in 2016 is horse shit nonsense coming from Trump's own team to distract you lemmings into thinking they didn't do it and it was all a hoax.


CLEARLY THEY HAVE YOU CONVINCED  BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE.

God help us, save us from gullible Trump supporters before they destroy our country. 

what exactly are Trump supporters doing that is destroying the country?   you may disagree with his sources,  but what in your opinion is A1 doing that will destroy the country?  

(heres a hint)  Not a damn thing.  A1 is not doing anything that will hurt this country any more than you are responsible for the shit the last president did to hurt the US.  Lets try and keep some perspective in the discussion please?  its that type of hyperbole that fuels the anger and hatred that is what will ultimately be responsible for destroying our country and boths sides media machines are what is feeding it.

The enabling of conspiracy theories by A1 and Trump cultists.  Buying into these ridiculous hoaxes allows the politicians and Trump to continue to push them.  They are testing the boundaries to see how much bullshit will you digest?  How far can we push lies to get away with advancing agendas that are not in the best interests of Americans?

It's past dangerous.  This affects national security.  If Republicans can fuel a narrative that Ukraine, not Russia, interefered then it ONLY damages our democracy and emboldens Putin further.  Setting a precedent that we don't care if foreign nations interfere with our elections and that enemy nations can fund a particular candidate is outrageous to me.


And people like the media get vilified for pointing out lies.  Trump's worked tirelessly to destroy confidence in the free press, the FBI, our intelligence agencies, non-partisan diplomats and countless other democratic institutions this country was built on.

And A1 is living proof just how effective the brainwashing has been.  

So as long as he continues to post debunked conspiracy theories and bullshit propaganda I will call him out on it.

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There is the disingenuous lie again. 

NOBODY said Russia did not try to influence the election.  In fact, everyone agrees they did.  They have done it since the end of the cold war.  The Unites States does it too!  Hint - Obama and Israel. 

But Russia did it on OBAMAS watch - not Trump. 

The hoax was Trump was involved.  He wasn’t.

Comey was referred for criminal
prosecution by IG but Barr declined.  Andrew McCabe was referred for criminal prosecution.  This lawyer is going to be referred for changing the 302 FISA application, and emails.  

Hillary Clinton and the DNC used foreign assets from Ukraine to create the fake dossier.  That doesn’t mean Ukraine government did it.  But it does mean ukrainians were involved in trying to influence the 2016 election.

SF isn’t refuting anything. He is attacking me and anyone who investigated Ukraine and comes up with a narrative that doesn’t fit his Russian bullshit.  

I have repeatedly said to wait and see what happens.  
Biden is done.  He is a fucking crook.