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@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
Listening to Pat Kirwin on NFL Radio today and they were talking about Cousins and his contract. He thinks Kirk will be in the neighborhood of 50 million per season with most or all of it being guaranteed on a 3 year deal. Thinks Vikings are out of reach for one of the elite quarterbacks in the draft and "almost have to" give Cousins what he wants. Talked about Kwesi saying he "wasn't elite" last offseason, but could win with him. Thinks Kwesi needs to do "less talking and more doing" or this team is going to be at the bottom of the division.
Not much we didn't already know, but the rest of the league is definately watching what happens with the Vikings this offseason
I think how everyone views Cousins is different now than it was last year. In year two of the offense, Kirk was spectacular. He's also recovering from a serious injury. Those two things will weigh heaviest in the decision.
I can see Kirwans numbers for Kirk, but I think that's more likely to come from another team. I don't think the Vikings will guarantee 3 years at any price. But I could be wrong.
3 years is stupid....and a mistake IMO. I love me some Kirko Chainz, but not for 3 guaranteed years at ANY price.
its like others have said, its not about the years, its about the guaranteed money and how you allocate it to the cap. 90/100 million with 70 guaranteed over 3 years might as well be a 3 year fully guaranteed deal, you know he isnt signing without trade protections, so you are essentially guaranteeing that last 20/30 million through the terms of the deal.
QB’s are expensive. I know I say that constantly, but someone has to be the voice of reason here. As of the beginning of last year, 9 QB’s had $150 million or more in guaranteed money. Obviously Kirk wasn’t one of them.
With the injury, I don’t know how it will play out trying to get him off of a fully guaranteed deal. Had it not happened, there was zero chance of not guaranteeing the entire new contract. So the idea that he’ll take significantly less is probably near zero. It’s a pipe dream.
The idea that he will have a weak market is equally a pipe dream from the land of unicorns and rainbows. There are fewer than 32 guys who can perform well enough to be starting QB’s in the league. There are far fewer able to perform at his level. I can think of 8 teams right off the top of my head who will have long discussions about signing him. At most 2 or 3 get a first round QB they think can start, so expect a tremendous market for him. People need to realize it isn’t just about getting a good QB in for these GM’s and coaches, they need to win some games to keep their jobs.
Unless the Vikings are taking Nix or Penix to start day one, they need to get this contract done prior to Free Agency. Once it starts, I think they’ll struggle to meet the market.
Quote: @Havoc1649 said:
QB’s are expensive. I know I say that constantly, but someone has to be the voice of reason here. As of the beginning of last year, 9 QB’s had $150 million or more in guaranteed money. Obviously Kirk wasn’t one of them.
With the injury, I don’t know how it will play out trying to get him off of a fully guaranteed deal. Had it not happened, there was zero chance of not guaranteeing the entire new contract. So the idea that he’ll take significantly less is probably near zero. It’s a pipe dream.
The idea that he will have a weak market is equally a pipe dream from the land of unicorns and rainbows. There are fewer than 32 guys who can perform well enough to be starting QB’s in the league. There are far fewer able to perform at his level. I can think of 8 teams right off the top of my head who will have long discussions about signing him. At most 2 or 3 get a first round QB they think can start, so expect a tremendous market for him. People need to realize it isn’t just about getting a good QB in for these GM’s and coaches, they need to win some games to keep their jobs.
Unless the Vikings are taking Nix or Penix to start day one, they need to get this contract done prior to Free Agency. Once it starts, I think they’ll struggle to meet the market.
Reason? REASON?! You're not going to find too much of that on this board.
What's interesting is that while a weak market benefits the Vikings in terms of bringing him back, let's say he can't find a better offer and he doesn't like the Vikings offer. Does he just sit and wait for... ? I have to think his agent is going to at least get some kind of offer or two nailed down starting this week and finalized during legal tampering, so worst case is Kirk can save face by signing elsewhere if the Vikings offer is one he chokes on. I still need that AI porn imagery lol.
But that said, the Vikings need to be talking to potential bridge qb's this week like Brisset or Minshew because if Kirk is gone they clearly need to draft a guy and sign a vet (unless you are down for the return of the man, the myth, the legend, Nick Mullens) and those guys might not be on the market very long after free agency opens. Plan B needs to be set up now, not after an assumed Kirk deal somehow falls apart.
If I'm right it suggests that whatever happens is going to happen fast once free agency opens, it won't be some lingering situation. Regardless, there are definitely a lot of balls in the air right now.
From the "what should be obvious" category....
Here's what @PAOnTheMic heard at the #NFL combine "Right before I left [Indy] yesterday, from somebody I really really trust, I was told Atlanta prefers Cousins over Fields and quite honestly it's not close."
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
From the "what should be obvious" category....
Here's what @PAOnTheMic heard at the #NFL combine "Right before I left [Indy] yesterday, from somebody I really really trust, I was told Atlanta prefers Cousins over Fields and quite honestly it's not close."
Well, duh PA. KC is not only better, but won't cost them a draft pick.
'Get it done': Atlanta reporter says Falcons owner wants Kirk Cousins
"All eyes, all arrows, everything points towards Kirk Cousins. Arthur Blank has basically told this front office, 'Do what you gotta do, pay what you gotta pay, get it done,'" Klein said on the Dukes & Bell show on 92.9 The Game. "So everybody I've talked to – agents, other coaches and scouts, guys around the league – that's the feeling that they are saying, of what they are hearing, is that the Falcons will put all their attention on Kirk Cousins moving forward."
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
'Get it done': Atlanta reporter says Falcons owner wants Kirk Cousins
"All eyes, all arrows, everything points towards Kirk Cousins. Arthur Blank has basically told this front office, 'Do what you gotta do, pay what you gotta pay, get it done,'" Klein said on the Dukes & Bell show on 92.9 The Game. "So everybody I've talked to – agents, other coaches and scouts, guys around the league – that's the feeling that they are saying, of what they are hearing, is that the Falcons will put all their attention on Kirk Cousins moving forward."
I got a growing suspicion ATL may tip the scales for his departure and this kinda cements that.
Well, if they are going to get silly about it? We better start finalizing an aggressive draft plan for a QB and have some dinner with Minshews agent while in Indy.
I wouldn't mind our guy back from Cinci for a year or so...
From today's GBN;
Falcons early faves to land Bears’ QB Fields … One of the underlying stories circulating at the scouting combine in Indianapolis is where Chicago QB Justin Fields will end up if the Bears, as expected, elect to trade him with USC QB Caleb Williams, the presumptive #1 pick at the 2024 draft looming on the horizon. There were several reports yesterday, for example, that three teams – Atlanta, Las Vegas and Pittsburgh – have shown some serious interest in landing the athletic, although sometimes Fields. The Falcons reportedly have actually talked to the Bears and there have been rumors that the two teams are may actually either have something already in place or are at least close. However, that has not been confirmed, but the Bears have indicated that if they were to move Fields they would like it to be sooner rather later. At the same time, though, there hasn’t been much speculation as to what the compensation would be if that deal were to actually take place, although it appears doubtful it would involve the Falcons’ #1 pick this, the 8th overall. Stay tuned!
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What's interesting is that while a weak market benefits the Vikings in terms of bringing him back, let's say he can't find a better offer and he doesn't like the Vikings offer. Does he just sit and wait for... ? I have to think his agent is going to at least get some kind of offer or two nailed down starting this week and finalized during legal tampering, so worst case is Kirk can save face by signing elsewhere if the Vikings offer is one he chokes on. I still need that AI porn imagery lol.
But that said, the Vikings need to be talking to potential bridge qb's this week like Brisset or Minshew because if Kirk is gone they clearly need to draft a guy and sign a vet (unless you are down for the return of the man, the myth, the legend, Nick Mullens) and those guys might not be on the market very long after free agency opens. Plan B needs to be set up now, not after an assumed Kirk deal somehow falls apart.
If I'm right it suggests that whatever happens is going to happen fast once free agency opens, it won't be some lingering situation. Regardless, there are definitely a lot of balls in the air right now.
I don’t think there’s going to be enough QBs for every team
that needs a QB and of the veteran QBs, really only Kirk stands out for a team
with playoff aspirations (Tannehill and Mayfield are in that second tier of FA
QBs, and Fields exists on the trade market, but he’s still a prospect to me
more than guy you feel great about).
None of the veteran QBs are really guys you are going to hitch your
wagon to long term, in the sense that I still feel like any team that takes one
of them is still in the market for drafting another one.
That said, I think with so many teams desperate, I don’t
think Cousins will have problems finding a team that will give him a contract
he can accept before the draft. If he
doesn’t feel happy with his pre-draft options, I think he’ll still have a
comparable options at worst after the draft, and maybe potentially better
options as the teams who didn’t get a rookie QB are looking at throwing 2024
away or not.
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