And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.
But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more!
Quote: @FSUVike said:
I'm with Maroon and Jor El. This wasn't enough. If you did a redraft Diggs would be a mid to upper 1st Round selection. And Minnesota got a later 1st and a bunch of shit. Spielman will trade out of that 4th for more 7ths or whiff on it. That Round is his kryptonite. And it isn't until next year, so unless he uses it to move up this year it does absolutely nothing to help the 2020 team.
And I don't give a rat's ass about the depth of the WR class. That's all well and good when you want to add a piece with upside, like Johnson or Ceephus.
Unless Minnesota has already thrown in the towel they can't afford to hope that upside develops. They are virtually locked into using one of the 1sts on one of the near-can't miss guys. If they don't it's a massive gamble. Massive gamble.
So let's say Rick gets his replacement in the 1st. That means he essentially got a 5th and 6th this year to help the team. Wow. Color me impressed. A 5th and 6th for a Top 10 WR. What a haul. You get a WR that wants to be here and isn't costing the team major cap space. That is a win in many ways. We lost experience and talent, but getting that for a guy who was forcing his way out is a major haul. Rick played it well and netted a lot for a discontent diva.
What was the lone area you could say the Vikings were the best in? It ain't Defense. It was Wide Receiver tandem. Now that's gone and the aging Adam Thielen is another hamstring pull away from this team picking Top 10 in 2021 with a new GM & HC who probably won't want to be tied to Cousins.
Look, I'm the Usual Suspect when it comes to trying to paint a fair picture of how and why Minnesota can succeed year in and year out. I'm struggling to do that now. Even if Adam is 100% healthy the whole season he's going to see constant doubleteams. Who's going to take advantage of that? Bisi Johnson? Please. Even his parents don't believe that. Irv? Not unless he turns into Kelce or Kittles.
I'm going to stack the box and sell out to stop the run, double Adam even out of the Slot, and dare Kirk beat me with what's left. Which will be a hell of a lot of dinks and dunks. Good bye Play Action bombs. Good bye bombs off of waggles. Good bye explosive plays.
Look, I hated the shitty attitude. But half his generation and 75% of the good players at his position have it. You say no until you get more.
Honest to God I opened this thread thinking Starting LG a 1st and a 4th, minimum. Instead it's yet another hole to fill with a Draft Pick. To go along with LG, 3T, CB and NT.
I'm out of purple juice. That's too many holes, folks. Damn. The franchise finally broke my faith. 
Quote: @FSUVike said:
And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.
But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more!
You don't have to replace Diggs, just draft someone that can pair with AT. It was obvious last year that Adam is the better WR. Our offense missed him badly. Diggs? Not so much.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.
But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more!
I think what most fans here are saying that aren't down on the trade necessarily is Spielman got pretty decent compensation for a guy that wanted out of Minnesota since last May. He acted out. He made it evident he wasn't happy in Minnesota and that feeling apparently hadn't wavered throughout the season. He's a talented guy for sure. But he wanted out and they got him out. What will matter is what they use that compensation for and how impactful those picks will be on the team. He was a 5th round pick and this is a decade-best crop of WRers in this upcoming Draft. The team has won games without Thielen playing and without Diggs in the recent past.
What can be said is the team is losing a young, known talented quantity at WR. Not ideal. But its not like the team initiated this.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ FSUVike said:
And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.
But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more!
You don't have to replace Diggs, just draft someone that can pair with AT. It was obvious last year that Adam is the better WR. Our offense missed him badly. Diggs? Not so much.
This, you dont fall into that trap that the team did when they drafted williamson, you cant "replace" a player, you can replace their performance however and with the additional cap space this created plus the draft picks, I am not concerned long term for the WR position in Diggs absence. I dont know about this year, but I am not high on them being serious contenders this year anyway, but this IMO will be better for the team next year and beyond, and Diggs will still be a malcontent wanting more attention and IMO more money.
They didnt have to trade him...I dont care how cryptic a tweet (s) were/was.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ FSUVike said:
And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.
But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more!
You don't have to replace Diggs, just draft someone that can pair with AT. It was obvious last year that Adam is the better WR. Our offense missed him badly. Diggs? Not so much.
This! let's not forget the Vikes beat the heavy favorite Saints with Diggs having two catches for 19 yards. Diggs is a good player, but let's not overreact and think this team is incapable of torching defenses through the air. There's a lot of time until the season starts...
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Jor-El said:
Some of you guys are calling this "a haul"...seriously? I see exactly ONE premium draft pick, the first rounder (and it ain't a top 10 pick). After that we have a couple of late picks, which are a crapshoot, and a 4th rounder - next year. Great, a 4th round pick , where the Vikings have recently acquired such contributors as Jalyn Holmes, Willie Beavers, TJ Clemmings, and Jaleel Johnson. But hey, maybe we'll strike gold with that pick and get someone on the level of Ben Gedeon!
The Bills just acquired one of the 10 (maybe 5) best WRs in the NFL, only 26 years old, and will pair him with John Brown, who caught 72 passes for over 1,000 yards as a rookie. We received the 22nd pick (yay, 1 pick higher than we picked Laquon Treadwell!), and our #2 WR is now Bisi Johnson.
Unless Diggs was a genuine locker-room cancer far beyond anything reported and will melt down in Antonio Brown style within a year, this trade is a tragedy for the Vikings.
Agree. There is one winner here: The Bills. And two losers: the Vikings and Diggs.
All picks after the 4th round are guesses, and all picks next year are mostly meaningless. Grains of sand to balance a scale. So this is essentially Diggs for the 22nd pick. I don't think anyone got fleeced here--it's fair value in the market of capital and services.
But when you factor in just how much Diggs meant to this offense, and how difficult that will be to replace, considering all the other needs, the Vikings have definitely taken a step backward.
I think the best thing the Vikings can do right now is sign a low-cost veteran receiver who can step into the #2 role and draft another receiver in either rounds 1 or 2 to compete with him. We absolutely cannot count on a rookie receiver to come in and contribute, much less replace the kind of attention that Diggs drew from defenses.
There is an argument to be made from a best-use-of-resources perspective. Vikings were a running team spending nearly $30M on its wide receivers. THAT, I get. But in order for this to work, the Vikings have to turn this transaction into one HELL of a running game, despite the fact that, right now anyway, the key to beating the Vikings is simple: double Thielen and stack the box.
I would be curious to know what you think another team would have realistically offered where you would pull the trigger?
Quote: @greediron said:
@ FSUVike said:
And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.
But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more!
You don't have to replace Diggs, just draft someone that can pair with AT. It was obvious last year that Adam is the better WR. Our offense missed him badly. Diggs? Not so much.
When Thielen sees the attention Diggs got when he was out and fails to exceed it remind me to revisit this quote.
Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
@ greediron said:
@ FSUVike said:
And it gets worse. Only 20 Rookies WRs in the entire history of the League have eclipsed 1,000 yards. So even if Minnesota could somehow pick the best of Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs, none of whom they will have a shot at, the odds of that Rookie replacing Diggs' production is extremely low.
But hey, at least you guys who spend all day on Twitter won't have anything to get cranky about any more!
You don't have to replace Diggs, just draft someone that can pair with AT. It was obvious last year that Adam is the better WR. Our offense missed him badly. Diggs? Not so much.
This! let's not forget the Vikes beat the heavy favorite Saints with Diggs having two catches for 19 yards. Diggs is a good player, but let's not overreact and think this team is incapable of torching defenses through the air. There's a lot of time until the season starts...
The Defense had as much or more to do with the win than the Offense. And Adam was the Reciever that was benefitting from the Saints either putting their best Corner on Diggs or doubling him.
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