Quote: @Norse said:
@christomasson | 25m | Case Keenum is the Vikings QB available to media Wednesday. Keenum is expected to start again Sunday. | |
Good deal, he deserves it.
I think this endless debating is interesting but pointless, because for the Vikings staff and f.o. this decision is simply a question of are you interested in gambling with your season today?
You are 7-2 with great momentum. You decide to insert TB at some random point and you have 3 possible outcomes:
1. somehow after nearly 2 years without playing in a regular season game and 15 months since he played at all, TB comes in on a surgically repaired but untested knee and is some sort of amazing qb, greatly bettering his stats from the past. Your gamble pays off. Superbowl homeboy. All the Teddy fanboys are 100% sure this is what will happen.
2. TB comes in and is up and down and struggling and you lose the momentum. Now you are in a quandary. If this continues you may go back to CK, but in the process you are probably losing games and the team is psychologically breaking down because your leadership has failed them, you made a huge mistake that likely killed what was a great season. This is what I'm pretty sure would happen.
3. TB comes in and is flat out awful. This might be salvageable if he gets a quick hook, you mumble post game about needing more recovery time, and go back to CK. If it doesn't result in more than one loss the team can brush it off and continue the fight with a shot at winning it all. This would be the luckier of the 2 bad outcomes because it's easier to recover from.
Lots of opportunities for the Vikings to mess this season up here, I expect they'll try because that's what they do, historically. A sensible team would not gamble. But sensible is not a word I've ever associated with our beloved Purple.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
@ silverjoel said:
@ Mike Olson said:
HH he isn't getting the majority of reps. That in itself should tell you where they are at. Now perhaps that changes this week and Bridgewater gets the lions share of the reps. But that isn't reality right now. Declaring Bridgewater as the starter IMO presents a high risk towards a negative result, whereas bringing him off the bench presents a smoother road for both the player and the coach. First the player gets to play without the pressure of starting. Second the coach doesn't have to appear to be fixing something that isn't broken. If the coach makes that decision and the player comes in and plays great then it's all gravy, if not fans will wonder why they switched horses in mid-stream. Conversely if the coach waits until mid game after Keenum falters, then if Teddy does well... again gravy, if the player falters well they had to see if he could outperform where case was at AND they have cover to start him the next week. THis is where a former player agreed with me as we were discussing this issue before the game on sunday. I don't know if his opinion carries more weight or not.
Now you were the one in your opening OP that said that this would generate interesting conversation and here you are deriding my part in the conversation as negative (which is absolutely preposterous). On Teddy, I simply never have thought the guy was anything special at QB. I don't think he sucks or think he is bad in any way. I just haven't seen anything for me to think he is an above average QB. That's not negative. Honestly I put in so much time money and energy into this team... well I'd have to be one hell of a sado masochist to do that in a quest for negativity.
He isn't getting the majority of reps, that's true. Putting Bridgewater in a game that Keenum is failing isn't better, IMHO, it's worse. Not only are you taking away any shot of Keenum playing better and pulling out a win, but you're also putting Bridgewater in with Keenum's game plan. The starting QB should finish the game.
I don't agree with the don't fix what's not broke stance. Put the best team on the field, that's it. If switching to the QB that Zimmer feels gives the team the best shot and the Vikings fail, they were probably going to do that anyway (unless Bridgewater it's stinking up the place, but then they can go back to Keenum as that has already happened this year).
You have a bias against Bridgewater, that's fine. You're not a BikingVob about it. Just try to judge Keenum and Bridgewater without it. In another thread, you brought up Bridgewater's slow starts, but Keenum has done the same in this current offense. They're pretty similar in style and any knock on one will probably apply to the other because of that. You don't think Bridgewater brings an upside, I disagree, no big deal. We don't have a say in it anyway.
In case's starts he has produced totals of :
Tampa Bay 34Detroit 7Packers 23Ravens 24Browns 33Redskins 38
Not a whole lot of room for slow starts other than the Detroit game.
Forgot the Steelers game. 54% CR 167 yards total QBR 65.9
too many turnovers in the Detroit game.
Quote: @SFVikingFan said:
@ Norse said:
@christomasson | 25m | Case Keenum is the Vikings QB available to media Wednesday. Keenum is expected to start again Sunday. | |
Good deal, he deserves it.
Agreed...Case deserves another start, especially with 2 games in 10 days and Teddy out for almost 1.5 seasons.
Look, we don't have Randall in 98 going on, but 7/2 is damn nice. Case has played a role in that and the positive he's brought has impacted the OL and D too.
Ride the horse a little longer, its still running hard...
Quote: @comet52 said:
I think this endless debating is interesting but pointless, because for the Vikings staff and f.o. this decision is simply a question of are you interested in gambling with your season today?
You are 7-2 with great momentum. You decide to insert TB at some random point and you have 3 possible outcomes:
1. somehow after nearly 2 years without playing in a regular season game and 15 months since he played at all, TB comes in on a surgically repaired but untested knee and is some sort of amazing qb, greatly bettering his stats from the past. Your gamble pays off. Superbowl homeboy. All the Teddy fanboys are 100% sure this is what will happen.
2. TB comes in and is up and down and struggling and you lose the momentum. Now you are in a quandary. If this continues you may go back to CK, but in the process you are probably losing games and the team is psychologically breaking down because your leadership has failed them, you made a huge mistake that likely killed what was a great season. This is what I'm pretty sure would happen.
3. TB comes in and is flat out awful. This might be salvageable if he gets a quick hook, you mumble post game about needing more recovery time, and go back to CK. If it doesn't result in more than one loss the team can brush it off and continue the fight with a shot at winning it all. This would be the luckier of the 2 bad outcomes because it's easier to recover from.
Lots of opportunities for the Vikings to mess this season up here, I expect they'll try because that's what they do, historically. A sensible team would not gamble. But sensible is not a word I've ever associated with our beloved Purple.
First off, insults are rarely a way to have reasoned discussion. And no one is 100% sure what will happen.
And you left off the other options
4. Stick with Case
A. He continues to win but doesn't improve. He starts and fails in the playoffs.
B. He struggles down the stretch and gets replaced mid december giving Teddy not much time to shake the rust
C. He continues to start and we thrive in the playoffs. Is anyone confident this will happen?
And all of these leave us with the unanswered question about our QB for next year.
Quote: @greediron said:
The reason we are having the debate, inconsistency. Pittsburgh, Detroit, half of Cleveland and Washington. Case hasn't been very consistent. That is likely why coaches are considering doing the improbable and switching out a winning QB.
The only reason they are thinking about switching him out is because they need to know if they SHOULD offer him a contract and at what level. They see him in practice but they have no idea what he is going to look like in a game. And they have a BIG decision to make this offseason. No coach in their right mind goes back to a QB coming off a long term injury in the middle of a win streak.
Quote: @greediron said:Obviously Zimmer sees something, enough to create this drama.
He is creating the drama because you don't tell the other team which player is starting when you don't have to.
He should wait until next Wednesday too...
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