Cousins signs with Falcons

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@Havoc1649 said:
What a craptastic day. Love the defensive adds, but Cousins leaving is devastating. 

I don’t think people grasp how much Cousins covered up the warts on this team. People talking about his playoff record are practicing some serious cognitive dissonance. The Vikings have not put together a well rounded roster since Cousins has been here. Look at how long it took them to get even an average offensive line. Or how about our epically bad defenses? 

Cousins was never the problem. He was even priced well below his performance compared to his peers, If you want to know why there’s no title - way too many poor draft choices the past decade. Especially on defense and especially with high picks. 

None of that was within Cousins control. He took a market contract from a solid team. They are loaded with offensive talent and had the 11th ranked D. I can’t blame him. 

Kwesi better pull off a miracle or he’ll be toast. KOC will probably be ok, but definitely not KAM. After the epically bad first draft, this is a continuation of poor execution. I wouldn’t have liked the matched contract, but they could definitely have afforded it. 

90% of the Cousins criticism is just ignorant. But we've been down that road a million times. 

Bottom line is that without their starter, the Vikings have now placed themselves into a position where they have to get very lucky in the draft. Not only can they not miss, but the QB they draft has to be ready very quickly. If he's not, Darnold is our guy. That's a really bad look for a team hoping to sign Justin Jefferson long term. Nor is it a good look for a team with the best WR/WR/TE in the league. It's not a good look for a team who prides itself on culture to fail to meet the market for its leader, the guy the team absolutely loves. 

Kwesi's new, and young, and I don't think he's seen the things we've seen. The Youngs and the Lances and the Wilsons and the Jones and the Dimes and the Haskins and the Mariotas and the Winstons and...I think he genuinely believes he's going to draft a franchise QB on his first try. Adorable. But frustrating for Viking fans. 

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@supafreak84 said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Vikergirl said:
At some point, you have to move on. Would you rather have Cousins for 4 years/180 million?

$45mm was my #

How the rest of it was structured or guaranteed? I dont get paid enough to figure that out. 

Vikings offered more. Structure just wasn't going to work. They wanted to go year to year. 

@AGRforever said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Vikergirl said:
At some point, you have to move on. Would you rather have Cousins for 4 years/180 million?

$45mm was my #

How the rest of it was structured or guaranteed? I dont get paid enough to figure that out. 

Vikings offered more. Structure just wasn't going to work. They wanted to go year to year. 

Any idea what a plan B will look like?

@AGRforever said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Vikergirl said:
At some point, you have to move on. Would you rather have Cousins for 4 years/180 million?

$45mm was my #

How the rest of it was structured or guaranteed? I dont get paid enough to figure that out. 

Vikings offered more. Structure just wasn't going to work. They wanted to go year to year. 

Any idea what a plan B will look like?

Yup,

What do you envision as a Plan B (for bridge)
Do you expect them to get aggressive in moving-up for a QB, or is that not realistic or their style?
 Translate year to year vs a 3 or 4 year guarantee?

Darnold is high on their list if they go the FA route, but think they will look at trade options as well. I don't foresee Fields, but Zach Wilson is apparently someone KOC is still high on and he'd be cheap. Davis Mills could be another option as well. But I think their goal is to find their franchise QB in the draft, which just might take biting the bullet and moving up. 

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@JimmyinSD said:

@Havoc1649 said:
What a craptastic day. Love the defensive adds, but Cousins leaving is devastating. 

I don’t think people grasp how much Cousins covered up the warts on this team. People talking about his playoff record are practicing some serious cognitive dissonance. The Vikings have not put together a well rounded roster since Cousins has been here. Look at how long it took them to get even an average offensive line. Or how about our epically bad defenses? 

Cousins was never the problem. He was even priced well below his performance compared to his peers, If you want to know why there’s no title - way too many poor draft choices the past decade. Especially on defense and especially with high picks. 

None of that was within Cousins control. He took a market contract from a solid team. They are loaded with offensive talent and had the 11th ranked D. I can’t blame him. 

Kwesi better pull off a miracle or he’ll be toast. KOC will probably be ok, but definitely not KAM. After the epically bad first draft, this is a continuation of poor execution. I wouldn’t have liked the matched contract, but they could definitely have afforded it. 

He had some of the best offensive weapons to work with in the league his entire time here,  hard to say he was out there on his own.   He was a good not great QB that at time flashed great, but at times dog shit.  Now he's the Falcons saving grace and we can focus on our future.  

He was never dog shit. I mean every single QB has had a dog shit game, but in total, this team has been mismanaged by GM's, HC's, scouting and drafting, to the degree where becoming and maintaining a championship culture has been an insurmountable goal. Hanging blame for the afore mentioned failures on the most successful player of the franchise for the last 4 years has been such a weird fan take.  

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@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@Havoc1649 said:
What a craptastic day. Love the defensive adds, but Cousins leaving is devastating. 

I don’t think people grasp how much Cousins covered up the warts on this team. People talking about his playoff record are practicing some serious cognitive dissonance. The Vikings have not put together a well rounded roster since Cousins has been here. Look at how long it took them to get even an average offensive line. Or how about our epically bad defenses? 

Cousins was never the problem. He was even priced well below his performance compared to his peers, If you want to know why there’s no title - way too many poor draft choices the past decade. Especially on defense and especially with high picks. 

None of that was within Cousins control. He took a market contract from a solid team. They are loaded with offensive talent and had the 11th ranked D. I can’t blame him. 

Kwesi better pull off a miracle or he’ll be toast. KOC will probably be ok, but definitely not KAM. After the epically bad first draft, this is a continuation of poor execution. I wouldn’t have liked the matched contract, but they could definitely have afforded it. 

He had some of the best offensive weapons to work with in the league his entire time here,  hard to say he was out there on his own.   He was a good not great QB that at time flashed great, but at times dog shit.  Now he's the Falcons saving grace and we can focus on our future.  

He was never dog shit. I mean every single QB has had a dog shit game, but in total, this team has been mismanaged by GM's, HC's, scouting and drafting, to the degree where becoming and maintaining a championship culture has been an insurmountable goal. Hanging blame for the afore mentioned failures on the most successful player of the franchise for the last 4 years has been such a weird fan take. 

He didn't put blame on Jefferson?

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@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@Havoc1649 said:
What a craptastic day. Love the defensive adds, but Cousins leaving is devastating. 

I don’t think people grasp how much Cousins covered up the warts on this team. People talking about his playoff record are practicing some serious cognitive dissonance. The Vikings have not put together a well rounded roster since Cousins has been here. Look at how long it took them to get even an average offensive line. Or how about our epically bad defenses? 

Cousins was never the problem. He was even priced well below his performance compared to his peers, If you want to know why there’s no title - way too many poor draft choices the past decade. Especially on defense and especially with high picks. 

None of that was within Cousins control. He took a market contract from a solid team. They are loaded with offensive talent and had the 11th ranked D. I can’t blame him. 

Kwesi better pull off a miracle or he’ll be toast. KOC will probably be ok, but definitely not KAM. After the epically bad first draft, this is a continuation of poor execution. I wouldn’t have liked the matched contract, but they could definitely have afforded it. 

He had some of the best offensive weapons to work with in the league his entire time here,  hard to say he was out there on his own.   He was a good not great QB that at time flashed great, but at times dog shit.  Now he's the Falcons saving grace and we can focus on our future.  

He was never dog shit. I mean every single QB has had a dog shit game, but in total, this team has been mismanaged by GM's, HC's, scouting and drafting, to the degree where becoming and maintaining a championship culture has been an insurmountable goal. Hanging blame for the afore mentioned failures on the most successful player of the franchise for the last 4 years has been such a weird fan take.  

There was a bills bed shitting at home I recall that was pretty squarely his.

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@StickyBun said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@supafreak84 said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Vikergirl said:
At some point, you have to move on. Would you rather have Cousins for 4 years/180 million?

$45mm was my #

How the rest of it was structured or guaranteed? I dont get paid enough to figure that out. 

Vikings offered more. Structure just wasn't going to work. They wanted to go year to year. 

@AGRforever said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Vikergirl said:
At some point, you have to move on. Would you rather have Cousins for 4 years/180 million?

$45mm was my #

How the rest of it was structured or guaranteed? I dont get paid enough to figure that out. 

Vikings offered more. Structure just wasn't going to work. They wanted to go year to year. 

Any idea what a plan B will look like?

@AGRforever said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Vikergirl said:
At some point, you have to move on. Would you rather have Cousins for 4 years/180 million?

$45mm was my #

How the rest of it was structured or guaranteed? I dont get paid enough to figure that out. 

Vikings offered more. Structure just wasn't going to work. They wanted to go year to year. 

Any idea what a plan B will look like?

Yup,

What do you envision as a Plan B (for bridge)
Do you expect them to get aggressive in moving-up for a QB, or is that not realistic or their style?
 Translate year to year vs a 3 or 4 year guarantee?

Darnold is high on their list if they go the FA route, but think they will look at trade options as well. I don't foresee Fields, but Zach Wilson is apparently someone KOC is still high on and he'd be cheap. Davis Mills could be another option as well. But I think their goal is to find their franchise QB in the draft, which just might take biting the bullet and moving up. 

If KOC is actually high on Wilson, I have zero faith in KOC's ability to judge NFL talent. There's a reason he'd be cheap. Davis Mills? Just give me another year of Hall.

There's just not much to pick from at this point. It's pretty much move up to draft a quarterback that can start almost immediately...or ride the Nick Mullens train to last place in the division 

I see no reason to make matters worse by mortgaging the future with the absurd draft capital it would take to move up for the 3rd spot. They're all crap shoots. If you have to move up to 7 and do business with TN in order to block the Raiders or Broncos, that might make some sense, and save, a 1st and 2nd round future pick. 

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@StickyBun said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@supafreak84 said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Vikergirl said:
At some point, you have to move on. Would you rather have Cousins for 4 years/180 million?

$45mm was my #

How the rest of it was structured or guaranteed? I dont get paid enough to figure that out. 

Vikings offered more. Structure just wasn't going to work. They wanted to go year to year. 

@AGRforever said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Vikergirl said:
At some point, you have to move on. Would you rather have Cousins for 4 years/180 million?

$45mm was my #

How the rest of it was structured or guaranteed? I dont get paid enough to figure that out. 

Vikings offered more. Structure just wasn't going to work. They wanted to go year to year. 

Any idea what a plan B will look like?

@AGRforever said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Vikergirl said:
At some point, you have to move on. Would you rather have Cousins for 4 years/180 million?

$45mm was my #

How the rest of it was structured or guaranteed? I dont get paid enough to figure that out. 

Vikings offered more. Structure just wasn't going to work. They wanted to go year to year. 

Any idea what a plan B will look like?

Yup,

What do you envision as a Plan B (for bridge)
Do you expect them to get aggressive in moving-up for a QB, or is that not realistic or their style?
 Translate year to year vs a 3 or 4 year guarantee?

Darnold is high on their list if they go the FA route, but think they will look at trade options as well. I don't foresee Fields, but Zach Wilson is apparently someone KOC is still high on and he'd be cheap. Davis Mills could be another option as well. But I think their goal is to find their franchise QB in the draft, which just might take biting the bullet and moving up. 

If KOC is actually high on Wilson, I have zero faith in KOC's ability to judge NFL talent. There's a reason he'd be cheap. Davis Mills? Just give me another year of Hall.

There's just not much to pick from at this point. It's pretty much move up to draft a quarterback that can start almost immediately...or ride the Nick Mullens train to last place in the division 

I see no reason to make matters worse by mortgaging the future with the absurd draft capital it would take to move up for the 3rd spot. They're all crap shoots. If you have to move up to 7 and do business with TN in order to block the Raiders or Broncos, that might make some sense, and save, a 1st and 2nd round future pick. 

Yep. Screw moving up to #3. Way too much comp. 

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@CFIAvike said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@StickyBun said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@supafreak84 said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Vikergirl said:
At some point, you have to move on. Would you rather have Cousins for 4 years/180 million?

$45mm was my #

How the rest of it was structured or guaranteed? I dont get paid enough to figure that out. 

Vikings offered more. Structure just wasn't going to work. They wanted to go year to year. 

@AGRforever said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Vikergirl said:
At some point, you have to move on. Would you rather have Cousins for 4 years/180 million?

$45mm was my #

How the rest of it was structured or guaranteed? I dont get paid enough to figure that out. 

Vikings offered more. Structure just wasn't going to work. They wanted to go year to year. 

Any idea what a plan B will look like?

@AGRforever said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Vikergirl said:
At some point, you have to move on. Would you rather have Cousins for 4 years/180 million?

$45mm was my #

How the rest of it was structured or guaranteed? I dont get paid enough to figure that out. 

Vikings offered more. Structure just wasn't going to work. They wanted to go year to year. 

Any idea what a plan B will look like?

Yup,

What do you envision as a Plan B (for bridge)
Do you expect them to get aggressive in moving-up for a QB, or is that not realistic or their style?
 Translate year to year vs a 3 or 4 year guarantee?

Darnold is high on their list if they go the FA route, but think they will look at trade options as well. I don't foresee Fields, but Zach Wilson is apparently someone KOC is still high on and he'd be cheap. Davis Mills could be another option as well. But I think their goal is to find their franchise QB in the draft, which just might take biting the bullet and moving up. 

If KOC is actually high on Wilson, I have zero faith in KOC's ability to judge NFL talent. There's a reason he'd be cheap. Davis Mills? Just give me another year of Hall.

There's just not much to pick from at this point. It's pretty much move up to draft a quarterback that can start almost immediately...or ride the Nick Mullens train to last place in the division 

I see no reason to make matters worse by mortgaging the future with the absurd draft capital it would take to move up for the 3rd spot. They're all crap shoots. If you have to move up to 7 and do business with TN in order to block the Raiders or Broncos, that might make some sense, and save, a 1st and 2nd round future pick. 

Yep. Screw moving up to #3. Way too much comp. 

I think 5 may be more likely, unless they absolutely go head over heels for one of the QBs and know they can get them at 3. The price is worth it if you're right. But you're just emphasizing the importance on needing to get it right. 

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@JimmyinSD said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@Havoc1649 said:
What a craptastic day. Love the defensive adds, but Cousins leaving is devastating. 

I don’t think people grasp how much Cousins covered up the warts on this team. People talking about his playoff record are practicing some serious cognitive dissonance. The Vikings have not put together a well rounded roster since Cousins has been here. Look at how long it took them to get even an average offensive line. Or how about our epically bad defenses? 

Cousins was never the problem. He was even priced well below his performance compared to his peers, If you want to know why there’s no title - way too many poor draft choices the past decade. Especially on defense and especially with high picks. 

None of that was within Cousins control. He took a market contract from a solid team. They are loaded with offensive talent and had the 11th ranked D. I can’t blame him. 

Kwesi better pull off a miracle or he’ll be toast. KOC will probably be ok, but definitely not KAM. After the epically bad first draft, this is a continuation of poor execution. I wouldn’t have liked the matched contract, but they could definitely have afforded it. 

He had some of the best offensive weapons to work with in the league his entire time here,  hard to say he was out there on his own.   He was a good not great QB that at time flashed great, but at times dog shit.  Now he's the Falcons saving grace and we can focus on our future.  

He was never dog shit. I mean every single QB has had a dog shit game, but in total, this team has been mismanaged by GM's, HC's, scouting and drafting, to the degree where becoming and maintaining a championship culture has been an insurmountable goal. Hanging blame for the afore mentioned failures on the most successful player of the franchise for the last 4 years has been such a weird fan take.  

There was a bills bed shitting at home I recall that was pretty squarely his.

Did you read my post?

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