Kirk in Minnesota long term?

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@JimmyinSD said:

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@Havoc1649 said:
With a good defense and our current offense with Cousins can absolutely win a Super Bowl. Cousins is freaking unflappable. That is really hard to find. He’s also one of the toughest QB’s in the league. The guy still gets hurt, he just plays through it. He had a stretch towards the end of this year where he played with a bad shoulder for 3 games or so. The guy just keeps grinding. 

I don’t know who else watched the SuperBowl, but in my opinion, if we had the defense, we could have beat either of those teams. 
We have a great opportunity to strengthen our defense with good corners and awesome edge defenders available this year. I’m all about winning this coming year. If some cap space can get cleared, this team can see good improvement all around through development and bringing in a couple of guys. 

Our offense is so good that we scored 7 points at home against the CLEVELAND BROWNS. Dude. I’m not trying to be negative I swear but we are a long ways away from a Super Bowl. 

Cincinati went from worst to first in the AFC in two years. We’re always in play. 

2 key  differences.They have a stud QB and they aren't paying him 35 million a year.

3 key differences: their defense isn't rated in the cellar, their coach actually can run an offense, and yes, their QB is still on his rookie deal.  Wanna guess what his first real contract # looks like?

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@JimmyinSD said:

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@JimmyinSD said:

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@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
I suspect when they extend KC, his $ will be less than Brady, Mahomes, Allen or Rogers...

But he deserves to be in the next tier. 

Brady has been playing for under 29 million...I wish we could get Kirk to see the benefit of that for him.

I'm sure Cousins and every player wished they were married to a supermodel worth $400 million. Alas just Brady, so the comparison is brutal.  Easy to take way less when your wife pulls  tens of millions more in annual salary than you. 

kirk has made 160 million in his career.... does it really fucking matter at that point?  if this is about the money for kirk at this point... I think that would make the decision even that much easier to move on from him.

And there it is, the painfully transparent jealous fan whining about "how much is enough" post. He's paid exactly what the market has dictated he be paid. If you arent getting paid what your profession dictates, you may want to take a look at the guy representing you at pay bump time.

If you are getting paid what you're worth. I sure hope you don't have know it alls who've never done your job obsessing about you online. Simply because you're better off financially and can do something they never could. 

Simply because you or I will never sniff that amount of money doesn't mean he, or any athlete doesnt deserve every penny they make.  Because NCAAF and NFL chew these guys up and spit them out to make insane profits. 

You have absolutely no clue what these guys give up. Family,  physical and mental health, substance abuse issues among much more. All a direct result of playing a game for your entertainment. I'm sure if you could "play the game for free" you would. Until you've actually played and realize it's not the fantasyland version Joe Sixpack thinks it is.

I said as much last week. Nothing screams tone deaf more than the 'how much money is enough' stuff from fans. Nonsensical.

Then why did Brady play for less then?  

Hard to say....

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@JustinTime18™ said:

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@comet52 said:
I don't want Matt Stafford any more than I want Kirk.  I didn't want Trent Dilfer after he won a ring with the Ravens.  I want the franchise to find a real franchise qb, the kind of guy who makes you relevant every year, not the guy who if you put the perfect team around him and have a bunch of luck he might win it once in his career.  

Hey, you're not asking for much are ya? LOL

Here are all the QBs taken in the 1st round since 2010. There's 39 QBs here. I've bolded the ones I think pass your test. There are five of them. And I'm being nice with a couple, because only 1 of the 39 has won a Super Bowl. So 5 outta 39. That's 12%. We have a 12% chance of finding that guy in the draft. Even in the 1st round. And MOST of these guys are top 10 picks. We likely won't be picking that high. 

I would bold Watson and maybe Luck.   The team hasn't had that type of guy since Fran, outside of Favre's last good year, the only year since Wilf bought the team where they had a legit shot at a title.

I'm not asking for much in light of a franchise failing to find the right guy for 4 decades and funny, failing to even get to a SB since then.   Your saying it's hard to achieve greatness so don't bother trying.  

No, I'm saying it's hard to find greatness in the draft. But you can go buy it. 

You can't put Luck or Watson in bold. Neither one is even a starter. Not saying they weren't a good draft pick. Just that they aren't currently meeting your criteria. Or helping their teams. There are a hundred reasons QBs fail. Injury, off-field issues are just two of them. But it does (or should) make you appreciate character and durability in a veteran if you can find it. 

See how the first 2/3 of the list is unbolded? Only recently did we start to see some success. But it makes you wonder:  is the NFL getting better at identifying talent? Or have those picks just not had enough time to fuck up yet? 

Herbert, Burrow, Allen and Murray look good now, but Bradford, RGIII, and Cam Newton were all rookies of the year. Teams who drafted Luck, Winston, Mariota, Wentz, Goff, Trubisky, and Bridgewater thought they hit paydirt too. 

Kirk is not who I would gamble my new career on if I were KAM/KOC.  Just my gambler's opinion...

Who would you go after?

kirk cousins at a deal that allows the team to rebuild the D and patch holes on the OL without pushing a bigger salary hit down the road.  personally I dont even care if its guaranteed as long as its at a dollar amount that the team can work with to improve the whole roster.

next would  be a bridge type guy on a 1 or 2 year deal that once again allows the cap to focus on the areas that need help,  but with this there should be more of a focus on developing Mond,  or positioning ourselves for a  better/more picks in the first round of the 23 draft ( likely by moving guys like AT and Smith for picks, and possibly even Kendricks or Hunter due to scheme ability and availability depending on what they have planned. )

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I honestly dont think we've seen the best from KC yet...

Extending him out with some void years seems inevitable and right as rain. 

New system, new staff, a HC that doesnt hate you, some improvement on D?

No reason this team can't win 2- 3 more games. Thats a 10-11 win season. 

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@JustinTime18™ said:

@comet52 said:

@MaroonBells said:

@comet52 said:

@MaroonBells said:

@comet52 said:
I don't want Matt Stafford any more than I want Kirk.  I didn't want Trent Dilfer after he won a ring with the Ravens.  I want the franchise to find a real franchise qb, the kind of guy who makes you relevant every year, not the guy who if you put the perfect team around him and have a bunch of luck he might win it once in his career.  

Hey, you're not asking for much are ya? LOL

Here are all the QBs taken in the 1st round since 2010. There's 39 QBs here. I've bolded the ones I think pass your test. There are five of them. And I'm being nice with a couple, because only 1 of the 39 has won a Super Bowl. So 5 outta 39. That's 12%. We have a 12% chance of finding that guy in the draft. Even in the 1st round. And MOST of these guys are top 10 picks. We likely won't be picking that high. 

I would bold Watson and maybe Luck.   The team hasn't had that type of guy since Fran, outside of Favre's last good year, the only year since Wilf bought the team where they had a legit shot at a title.

I'm not asking for much in light of a franchise failing to find the right guy for 4 decades and funny, failing to even get to a SB since then.   Your saying it's hard to achieve greatness so don't bother trying.  

No, I'm saying it's hard to find greatness in the draft. But you can go buy it. 

You can't put Luck or Watson in bold. Neither one is even a starter. Not saying they weren't a good draft pick. Just that they aren't currently meeting your criteria. Or helping their teams. There are a hundred reasons QBs fail. Injury, off-field issues are just two of them. But it does (or should) make you appreciate character and durability in a veteran if you can find it. 

See how the first 2/3 of the list is unbolded? Only recently did we start to see some success. But it makes you wonder:  is the NFL getting better at identifying talent? Or have those picks just not had enough time to fuck up yet? 

Herbert, Burrow, Allen and Murray look good now, but Bradford, RGIII, and Cam Newton were all rookies of the year. Teams who drafted Luck, Winston, Mariota, Wentz, Goff, Trubisky, and Bridgewater thought they hit paydirt too. 

Kirk is not who I would gamble my new career on if I were KAM/KOC.  Just my gambler's opinion...

Who would you go after?

Ideally Stroud or Young in 2023.  

I' d trade Kirk, find a vet to bridge the coming year.  I'd tank it for 2022.  

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@purplefaithful said:
I honestly dont think we've seen the best from KC yet...

Extending him out with some void years seems inevitable and right as rain. 

New system, new staff, a HC that doesnt hate you, some improvement on D?

No reason this team can't win 2- 3 more games. Thats a 10-11 win season. 

How about lots and lots of improvement in D as well as interior OL?  without those big jumps yes we win 2 -3 more games,  but we still don't compete for a lombardi.

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I dont think KAM/KOC are aspiring to tank year 1. 

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@purplefaithful said:
I dont think KAM/KOC are aspiring to tank year 1. 

Yup. This notation that drafting a QB high is some sort of panacea is as ludicrous as QB W/L record. History has proven this over and over and over.

Maddening.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
I suspect when they extend KC, his $ will be less than Brady, Mahomes, Allen or Rogers...

But he deserves to be in the next tier. 

Brady has been playing for under 29 million...I wish we could get Kirk to see the benefit of that for him.

Brady also hasn't been Cousins' age since Barack Obama shot Osama Bin Laden in the face. 

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@purplefaithful said:
I dont think KAM/KOC are aspiring to tank year 1. 

Well doubling down on the futility of the previous regime isn't likely a smart course of action either.