OT: Bill O'Reilly

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Perhaps the question isn't who owned the slaves as much as what institutions sanctioned and allowed it.  You know that whole we the people, preamble to the constitution, where it mentions "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America".  I think that would at least open things up for discussion.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@MaroonBells said:

@JimmyinSD said:
And then what about the chinese slaves? The Irish?  Where does the reparation demands end?  It's time for all Americans to accept that we have it better than most in other countries regardless of skin color,  and to get over it already.  It's time to move past racial issues of the past and I dont think more programs created out of race are going to do that.

Just like the Natuve Americans always wanting more,  I think any programs created to right any wrong will just lead to more programs being demanded and lead to future generations just making more demands based on shit that never affected them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/irish-slaves-myth.html

they can call it what ever they want,  but if a human was pressed into labor without their consent and be forced into subhuman living standards... isnt that pretty much what we are talking about here?  I am sure I can find somebody to tear holes in that article if I wanted to play high school debate,  but even that article mentions that these Irish slaves or indentured servants ( white guilt term?) were not always entering into that life by their own choosing.  They were often sold into "indentured service"  by somebody that  had already claimed ownership of them (iE slave master)

but that still has me asking,  what about the Chinese, or as others have mentioned the Native Americans,  I am sure that there are others as well.  At what point do we have to say it was wrong (its been about 3 generations ago that it was abolished) but its time to move on and start healing instead of pandering to the past as a means of generating a voter base?  IMO after all thats all this is,  an attempt to regain support from a growing % of black Americans by once again promising them something they havent earned. 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/09/slavery-myths-seven-lies-half-truths-and-irrelevancies-people-trot-out-about-slavery-debunked.html

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When my son was with his basketball team ... half black fwiw, they texted me during the JV to ask my opinion if blacks have the same advantages as my son.  My conservative son was surprised to hear me agree that he had a distinct advantage.  

I don’t know the answer.   

I do know that many blacks migrated to the US after slavery ended. 

I do know some blacks benefitted from slavery ... some were slave owners.  Some sold other blacks to slavery.

Some slaves families are better off today in America than they would have been if they didnt come.

There needs to be a recognition and answer.  

The current politics doesnt help. 

Maybe Trump will tackle it.  it is beyond my pay grade. 

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@BigAl99 said:
Perhaps the question isn't who owned the slaves as much as what institutions sanctioned and allowed it.  You know that whole we the people, preamble to the constitution, where it mentions "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America".  I think that would at least open things up for discussion.

This is the best argument here for the "what about black slave holders".
Or Chinese or woman...
Did any of them have full American rights like voting and such?  Maybe the argument should stay with. Who's goverment was allowing it and who was running that government? The institution could never have existed without complacency. It certainly wasn't a government that any black, native or Asian man voted in or for. For that matter any woman of any color. As for what Africans did in Africa to each other that's for them to settle. Just like what English did to Irish and Scot's or how eastern Europe had their own serfdom. We are talking about treatment in the US from 1776 till 1865. Then further inequality from 1865 till 1964.

I still disagree with you about paying or providing services/ assistance in the name of slavery reparations now.
Just be better going forward. That and stop with. Yeah we were bad,  sorry...but. Just leave the but out.