Bears To Really Have Kick Ass Offense

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@suncoastvike said:

@Zanary said:

The difference, to me, is that Chilly was supposedly a "QB Guru" who completely mishandled his chosen draft pick (who must remain nameless), and only had real success when a veteran QB that essentially ignored him took the reins.

The defense, particularly the secondary, was suspect with only the "Williams Wall", ol' #69, and Antoine Wilfield offering much in the way of consistent defense (BRob and Greenway get honorable mentions here).

Without Adrian Peterson and Burt Fahv-ruh, the offense had little to crow about DESPITE an offensive-minded HC.

Meanwhile, Zimmer has defended his reputation as a defensive-secondary guru but obviously has had issues (some his fault, some not) getting consistent offensive production.  This season will define Zimmer's tenure a great deal.

I agree. The thread title pokes at Childress's kick ass offense. Zimmer is a defensive guru who turned around a historically bad unit. Brad's offense worked one year. When a HOF'er took over and pretty much made Chilly's KAO moot by ignoring him and just doing it.

Biggest issue with Childress was his hypocrisy.  He was brought in as a hardass to clean up the locker room.  He was a hard ass authoritarian until the chips were down and he waffled allowing Favre to hold him hostage.  (not the first year, but year 2 when Bert was under contract and skipped training camp until the famous pleading of Allen, Longwell and Hutch (and doubling his salary).  Then Bert came in, didn't know the offensive changes installed in camp and played like shit. 

So if you want to be an authoritarian, it has to apply to everyone. 

Best thing about Zimmer is he is a hard ass, but he is consistent.  Everyone has to follow the rules and yet he genuinely seems to care about the players.  That is why players like Barr came back.

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Back to why the Bears will struggle. 1. Offense predicated on misdirection to scheme wide open looks for Troubadour who can't read Defenses or go smoothly through progressions. 2. Defense thrived off of turnovers. 

I don't need to go any further. Teams have seen all that KC/LA/CHI pre-snap razzle dazzle and were already doing better against it the 2nd half of the season. Surem there will be new wrinkles. But DCs will be game planning to make Troubadour a Pocket Passer.

And all those TOs give your Offense more chances and keep your Defense rested. It's rare for teams to be amongst the League Leaders in TOs in consecutive seasons.

And that D has a disproportionate amount of money tied up in Mack. This will probably be the last year they can keep it intact.

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@greediron said:

@suncoastvike said:

@Zanary said:

The difference, to me, is that Chilly was supposedly a "QB Guru" who completely mishandled his chosen draft pick (who must remain nameless), and only had real success when a veteran QB that essentially ignored him took the reins.

The defense, particularly the secondary, was suspect with only the "Williams Wall", ol' #69, and Antoine Wilfield offering much in the way of consistent defense (BRob and Greenway get honorable mentions here).

Without Adrian Peterson and Burt Fahv-ruh, the offense had little to crow about DESPITE an offensive-minded HC.

Meanwhile, Zimmer has defended his reputation as a defensive-secondary guru but obviously has had issues (some his fault, some not) getting consistent offensive production.  This season will define Zimmer's tenure a great deal.

I agree. The thread title pokes at Childress's kick ass offense. Zimmer is a defensive guru who turned around a historically bad unit. Brad's offense worked one year. When a HOF'er took over and pretty much made Chilly's KAO moot by ignoring him and just doing it.

Biggest issue with Childress was his hypocrisy.  He was brought in as a hardass to clean up the locker room.  He was a hard ass authoritarian until the chips were down and he waffled allowing Favre to hold him hostage.  (not the first year, but year 2 when Bert was under contract and skipped training camp until the famous pleading of Allen, Longwell and Hutch (and doubling his salary).  Then Bert came in, didn't know the offensive changes installed in camp and played like shit. 

So if you want to be an authoritarian, it has to apply to everyone. 

Best thing about Zimmer is he is a hard ass, but he is consistent.  Everyone has to follow the rules and yet he genuinely seems to care about the players.  That is why players like Barr came back.

You're correct. Part of the reason he was hired was to be a hardass. A big part in fact. The new owners were embarrassed by how the boys will be boys attitude had permeated through the team. He did clean up alot of it. He just came across as petty and mean. Zimmer is a far more natural hardass. Poor Brad spent that last 1/2 a season pounding his fist and nobody jumped or even heard. Before the owners stopped listening as well and cut him off before the end.