Listen to this

[supafreak84]

https://youtu.be/RJpqGboS7UA?si=5cqwwXYhrEZd45O-


Thor and Judd knock this out of the park! Give it a listen. A lot of good information

[purplefaithful]

I didnt agree with all the takes, but it was good to hear none-the-less...

Wouldnt surprise me to see 2 or 3 off the KOC staff, it wont be kept intact.

Who knows what happens with front office???

[supafreak84]

I didnt agree with all the takes, but it was good to hear none-the-less...

Wouldnt surprise me to see 2 or 3 off the KOC staff, it wont be kept intact.

Who knows what happens with front office???

I thought it was interesting they thought there's a real chance Flores doesn't return after his contract expires at the end of the year. 

Front office changes are a must at this point

[purplefaithful]

I thought it was interesting they thought there's a real chance Flores doesn't return after his contract expires at the end of the year. 

Front office changes are a must at this point

Yah, I'm 50/50 on BFlo returning...Honestly, his D's arent that off the charts anymore and I do luv me a 4/3 the most...But I better be careful what I ask for, cause there are a lot of bad DC's out there, we didnt get to see this D play from ahead and I cant handle another bad DC so soon. Plus I like Turners ascension in the system this season. 

McCown? I guess your guess is as good as mine as to what quality of coach he is or isnt. I'm not convinced the kids ascension in Carolina is because Josh is gone? Another year of seasoning? New HC? All of the above?

Does he not get any credit for Kirko? Darnold? The few weeks the PAsstronaut flew?

Ingram isnt still isnt doing Kuper any favors and still haunts him. He and the ST coach are on thin ice...

One other thing...Theilen, I think there is more there than meets the eye or the press is reporting. Just a hunch and it didnt land right with me.

[supafreak84]

Yah, I'm 50/50 on BFlo returning...Honestly, his D's arent that off the charts anymore and I do luv me a 4/3 the most...But I better be careful what I ask for, cause there are a lot of bad DC's out there, we didnt get to see this D play from ahead and I cant handle another bad DC so soon. Plus I like Turners ascension in the system this season. 

McCown? I guess your guess is as good as mine as to what quality of coach he is or isnt. I'm not convinced the kids ascension in Carolina is because Josh is gone? Another year of seasoning? New HC? All of the above?

Does he not get any credit for Kirko? Darnold? The few weeks the PAsstronaut flew?

Cooper and the ST coach are on thin ice...

One other thing...Theilen, I think there is more there than meets the eye or the press is reporting. Just a hunch and it didnt land right with me.

I'd prefer to keep Flores over OConnell at this point. Does Flores have all of the ideal pieces for his defense, no, but he makes it work at a functional level. The same cannot be said of KOC on his side of the ball. Also, as long as KOC is the coach, we'll be running a 3-4 because that's what he wants. 

I'm done with McCown. The fact that two years in and we are still trying to tweak the mechanics of JJ McCarthy for him to complete a pass, tells me all I need to know. The fact that Bryce Young got better after McCown was fired is just another indictment on him. 

Did you catch that last part on the Thielen trade? Thor had info that the trade for Thielen came from above Kwesi. I agree with Judd that a lots going to come out before the season ends and it's going to get ugly as people scramble to save their jobs

[purplefaithful]

I'd prefer to keep Flores over OConnell at this point. Does Flores have all of the ideal pieces for his defense, no, but he makes it work at a functional level. The same cannot be said of KOC on his side of the ball. Also, as long as KOC is the coach, we'll be running a 3-4 because that's what he wants. 

I'm done with McCown. The fact that two years in and we are still trying to tweak the mechanics of JJ McCarthy for him to complete a pass, tells me all I need to know. The fact that Bryce Young got better after McCown was fired is just another indictment on him. 

Did you catch that last part on the Thielen trade? Thor had info that the trade for Thielen came from above Kwesi. I agree with Judd that a lots going to come out before the season ends and it's going to get ugly as people scramble to save their jobs

Wouldnt surprise me if the Wilfs pounded the table to bring the home-town boy back home...

Very reminiscent of 2010 and Moss - about the same outcome too unfortunately. Who the hell did KOC have cater the team lunches this year??

There's NFW I would take BFlo for hc now, not with his track record and especially in place of KOC. We'll just agree to disagree on that one.

[pattersaur]

I've listened to the first 2/3s of it and my primary bone of contention with the takes I've heard so far is the "youth movement" the team is supposed to shift towards during the rest of the season.

Sure that sounds great but the problem, as I mentioned a few days ago I'm pretty sure, is we have no young talent lol. Tai Felton and Jay Ward are the names these guys want to see more from. I mean okay, let's see, but I get the feeling it's a Kellen Mond situation for most of these fellas. I gotta think KAM is behind the scenes clamoring for any sort of bright spot he can point to in regards to his draft record-- If these guys could play, they'd be playing. I get the point the guys in the video are making and it's a good one, I'm just not sure how applicable it is to our roster. How about Max Brosmer? Anyone wanna see more of him?

Times are lean folks! It is and always has been, on the kid. Let's hope he can do something against Washington.

[supafreak84]

There's NFW I would take BFlo for hc now, not with his track record and especially in place of KOC. We'll just agree to disagree on that one.

I was thinking more along the lines of retaining him as a defensive coordinator. Nobody will give him a head coaching job until the lawsuit is settled, but I'd certainly like to keep him on running the defense. If things play out as Judd mentioned and we have a new GM but the Wilfs keep KOC, he'll be on a very short leash and I think Flores probably knows that and doesn't want to get caught up in the wash. That's why they mentioned him making a lateral move as a DC for a new team. He'd certainly be in demand

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I've listened to the first 2/3s of it and my primary bone of contention with the takes I've heard so far is the "youth movement" the team is supposed to shift towards during the rest of the season.

Sure that sounds great but the problem, as I mentioned a few days ago I'm pretty sure, is we have no young talent lol. Tai Felton and Jay Ward are the names these guys want to see more from. I mean okay, let's see, but I get the feeling it's a Kellen Mond situation for most of these fellas. I gotta think KAM is behind the scenes clamoring for any sort of bright spot he can point to in regards to his draft record-- If these guys could play, they'd be playing. I get the point the guys in the video are making and it's a good one, I'm just not sure how applicable it is to our roster. How about Max Brosmer? Anyone wanna see more of him?

Times are lean folks! It is and always has been, on the kid. Let's hope he can do something against Washington.

I'd love to see what we have in some of these young guys like Felton and Jay Ward. I'd love to see less Hargrave/Allen and more Ingram-Dawkins. We need an honest evaluation on these players in real game situations and it either helps Kwesi, or helps seal his fate, but we need answers heading into next season. Unfortunately our idiot owners probably still think we are in playoff contention and would never let it happen

[DeepFreeze05]

https://youtu.be/RJpqGboS7UA?si=5cqwwXYhrEZd45O-


Thor and Judd knock this out of the park! Give it a listen. A lot of good information

I agree with Thor about playing the younger guys to evaluation and for developmental. Especially positions where the veterans are not going to be with the team next year.

Good chuckle at 14:48 - 15:18.  Interesting take at 22:29.