Really Twitter?? Really?

[purplefaithful]

There was no NAZI salute. Continuing to lie about that is infuriating. It’s not the only thing in this thread infuriating though. 

This is for you and Maroon and any other leftist reading this:

As someone of Jewish heritage, you are repeating propaganda like good little lemmings and I’m really getting sick of people throwing the word around like it doesn’t matter. There are real threats to the Jewish people and they definitely aren’t Elon Musk or Donald Trump. Musk may be ignorant sometimes, but the guy is willing to learn. He’s far far far from anti-Semitic. I cannot say the same for the Democrat Party - the people perpetuating this bullshit. I left that cesspool of low key anti-Semites a couple of decades ago and I’m never going back. Every time I think they’ve made some ground in moving away from it, I get reminded just how interwoven it is in their supporters and leadership. The gullible may not recognize it, but those who’ve been around the block see it for what it is. 

At least with a far right winger they don’t hide it and I know where I stand. Not the left though. Leftists are very good at convincing each other and the gullible that they are the good guys. 

I just got reminded why I quit coming here last time. The politics are never far away. I think I made it a whole two days this time without the “NAZI” label coming out. 

If you understand one single thing from what I’ve written: STOP calling people you don’t like or don’t agree with NAZI’s.

This thread got way out of hand and its (rare) politics make the football board anymore -- and it shouldn't. I really enjoy your football takes, hope you think about coming back, maybe when the season/draft starts. 

Our household is 1/2 Christian, 1/2 Jewish...Context

When I was still working full time, there were some co-workers who were just right of center from me...We gave each other s hit about our politics, but it never became personal. Even in these ugly, divisive times. 

Gaza and the terrorist attacks in Israel really sent some of them off. They were/are more pro Israel than me (I cant stand Bibi). Their adoration was I thought admirable. Until I realized it was being driven by Christian Nationalism and Muslim distrust/hate. 

My only point in bringing in all of this is that the world is quick to label left or right, woke, asleep, bad/good. Truth is there are shades of bad in both. 

Compromise has become a "dirty word" unfortunately. 

I dont want someone stuffing their take on the bible down my throat or inserting their personal christian dogma into my schools as much as anyone on the left telling me everything Trump does is dumb and hateful.

[Zanary]

This thread got way out of hand and its (rare) politics make the football board anymore -- and it shouldn't. I really enjoy your football takes, hope you think about coming back, maybe when the season/draft starts. 

Our household is 1/2 Christian, 1/2 Jewish...Context

When I was still working full time, there were some co-workers who were just right of center from me...We gave each other s hit about our politics, but it never became personal. Even in these ugly, divisive times. 

Gaza and the terrorist attacks in Israel really sent some of them off. They were/are more pro Israel than me (I cant stand Bibi). Their adoration was I thought admirable. Until I realized it was being driven by Christian Nationalism and Muslim distrust/hate. 

My only point in bringing in all of this is that the world is quick to label left or right, woke, asleep, bad/good. Truth is there are shades of bad in both. 

Compromise has become a "dirty word" unfortunately. 

I dont want someone stuffing their take on the bible down my throat or inserting their personal christian dogma into my schools as much as anyone on the left telling me everything Trump does is dumb and hateful.

Regarding compromise where Israel/"Palestine" is concerned:

the people that have embraced Arafat's "Palestinian" agenda since 60s have a common thread in common:

electing/appointing leadership that swears death to Jews, Israel, and the West. This is constant, and certainly loud enough to be heard at every Gaza protest since 10/7.

Many interviewers have posted videos asking the "Palestinians" about their take on the two-state "solution"...and at least 80% won't even humor it. Israel must fall, all the Jews must go, our land, no compromise whatsoever. Meanwhile, Israel has literally given ground...albeit imperfectly, and Bibi leads a pack of rabid assclowns that want Gaza's beachfront.

So does our president, go figure.

I'm done with the two-state illusion, period. I've watched it fail over and over, and I've watched the many years and incidents where the Palestinian Authority and/or UNRWA actively distributed school texts and education videos that glorified hatred of Jews, martyrdom, and all the misogynistic nightmares so common in that part of the world.

They refuse to co-exist, I hope a transplanting option actually happens. I still vote for Iran, Qatar, and countries like Ireland/Norway that shrieked about Gaza deaths as soon as the fighting started.

I don't hate those people, but I'm convinced it'll take generations for them to embrace anything but the bulls**t narrative about their "stolen land". History and archeology make that claim largely ridiculous...and the generations of attempted genocide, tens of thousands of missiles fired into Israel, and even the original plans with the Mufti make a strong argument for forfeit.

[purplefaithful]

I think a two state solution is the only answer...The problem has been how poorly it's been executed, still a good idea imo.

[Zanary]

I think a two state solution is the only answer...The problem has been how poorly it's been executed, still a good idea imo.

...but, the people leading the "Palestinians" openly declare their position is to destroy Israel, Jews, etc. This has been true of hamas for about two decades, hezbollah, and every authority they choose.

Even given tens of billions of dollars, it's spent on missiles, tunnels, and weapon manufacturing...plus, keeping their rulers in luxury Qatar housing.

The experiment failed generations ago. Israel has given land, jobs, uncountable resources...and yes, bombs/munitions when the inevitable attacks come. If one side brags about existing just to thwart the other, there will never be two "states"...just a state of constant danger.

[Zanary]

There are a LOT of these interviews, I went with one of the most recent collections:

https://youtu.be/kbPK7NnPRUk?si=T4pGBBU9HhpCaVaa

You'd find more open minds in a Breitbart article about the Obamas or a Huffpost article about Ted Nugent.