Quote: @Wetlander said:
Herbert reminds me of a poor man's Can Newton. I just don't see the accuracy or decision making for him to be an elite passer.
I don't either and that is why he would potentially slide. But he's a fan fave because he's big and athletic.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ Mattyman said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
The Viking should run to the podium if Herbert is there at #22.
The way they structured Cousins contract, they can trade him next off season BEFORE his 2022 salary is fully guaranteed.
The other team would get Cousins on a contract that is 21M in year one and 35M in year two which is very reasonable.
The Vikings would save 11 mil in cap space in 2021 and 45 mil in 2022.
You could even argue that the Vikings should use their 2021 first round pick to move up to get Herbert or Tua.
Then, if they trade Cousins to a team for that team's 2021 first, they will have recouped the pick.
One thing is for certain.
If Mannion or Browning have to play any then we are in ...
More trouble than a little bit!
If the Vikings traded for Cousins and took on his 56 million in contract AND gave up a 1st round pick I would see that as a bad deal.
Why would another team pay that if there are questions about whether KC can deliver a Superbowl?
The Vikings traded a 1st and a 4th to take on Sam Bradford and 25 mil remaining of his contract. - The Rams paid 10 million of SB salary.
I do not know what another team may see in Cousins (49ers and Shanahan) and what they think they can do with him. -In the post above you suggest KC is worth first round pick.
I do not know Cousins is unable to deliver a Super Bowl.
Then why trade him?
They lost to the 49ers because the offensive line got their arses whupped and the defensive line did as well.
True.
When one team runs 47 times for 186 yards and you run 10 times for 21 yards then that ain't on the QB.
Agreed.
I do not buy into the nonsense that it is KC who is solely responsible for the team getting to the Super Bowl and winning.
IMO Kubiak is gonna wind up being the best thing to ever happen to Cousins . Fix the Oline. Get a couple new weapons and this offense is wired.
Quote: @Mattyman said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Mattyman said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
The Viking should run to the podium if Herbert is there at #22.
The way they structured Cousins contract, they can trade him next off season BEFORE his 2022 salary is fully guaranteed.
The other team would get Cousins on a contract that is 21M in year one and 35M in year two which is very reasonable.
The Vikings would save 11 mil in cap space in 2021 and 45 mil in 2022.
You could even argue that the Vikings should use their 2021 first round pick to move up to get Herbert or Tua.
Then, if they trade Cousins to a team for that team's 2021 first, they will have recouped the pick.
One thing is for certain.
If Mannion or Browning have to play any then we are in ...
More trouble than a little bit!
If the Vikings traded for Cousins and took on his 56 million in contract AND gave up a 1st round pick I would see that as a bad deal.
Why would another team pay that if there are questions about whether KC can deliver a Superbowl?
Exactly, which is why extending him was a mistake. If they are going to flail, at least do it with a bunch of potentials, not a guy that is good enough, but needs a strong supporting cast to get you any where. If KC would gave a brady type approach to his contract for the sake of building a team I would love him, but I dont think "team" is in his long term plans.
You believe TB gave the Patriots a discount. I don't.
Given the Patriots history, I will always believe TB was put into secret hush hush lucrative business opportunities in partnership with Kraft.
Brady taking less in Cap salary is true, but to me its complete BS he wasn't compensated in shall I say quiet behind the scenes and creative ways JMO
I can prove he gave them a discount, good luck proving your theory. It was in Bradys interest both on the field and financially off the field to keep a competitive roster around him. The endorsement money that comes from being the goat has to be much more than what he gave up in actual cap money.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Mattyman said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
The Viking should run to the podium if Herbert is there at #22.
The way they structured Cousins contract, they can trade him next off season BEFORE his 2022 salary is fully guaranteed.
The other team would get Cousins on a contract that is 21M in year one and 35M in year two which is very reasonable.
The Vikings would save 11 mil in cap space in 2021 and 45 mil in 2022.
You could even argue that the Vikings should use their 2021 first round pick to move up to get Herbert or Tua.
Then, if they trade Cousins to a team for that team's 2021 first, they will have recouped the pick.
One thing is for certain.
If Mannion or Browning have to play any then we are in ...
More trouble than a little bit!
If the Vikings traded for Cousins and took on his 56 million in contract AND gave up a 1st round pick I would see that as a bad deal.
Why would another team pay that if there are questions about whether KC can deliver a Superbowl?
Exactly, which is why extending him was a mistake. If they are going to flail, at least do it with a bunch of potentials, not a guy that is good enough, but needs a strong supporting cast to get you any where. If KC would gave a brady type approach to his contract for the sake of building a team I would love him, but I dont think "team" is in his long term plans.
Name 1 other QB that consistently took less to help his team ala Brady. You do get that his wife makes more money than he does, right? Which puts him one of the most rare positions in sports: not needing to maximize your playing career earnings because you and your heirs are set for life.
No to Hebert. I do think Love will go ahead of him, and that he will slide a bit, but the last thing I want in this draft is a QB. It would cost too much to move up and get one of the three good ones. And the rest are shit.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
Herbert reminds me of a poor man's Can Newton. I just don't see the accuracy or decision making for him to be an elite passer.
People whose opinions on QBs I respect think he will go bust.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Mattyman said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
The Viking should run to the podium if Herbert is there at #22.
The way they structured Cousins contract, they can trade him next off season BEFORE his 2022 salary is fully guaranteed.
The other team would get Cousins on a contract that is 21M in year one and 35M in year two which is very reasonable.
The Vikings would save 11 mil in cap space in 2021 and 45 mil in 2022.
You could even argue that the Vikings should use their 2021 first round pick to move up to get Herbert or Tua.
Then, if they trade Cousins to a team for that team's 2021 first, they will have recouped the pick.
One thing is for certain.
If Mannion or Browning have to play any then we are in ...
More trouble than a little bit!
If the Vikings traded for Cousins and took on his 56 million in contract AND gave up a 1st round pick I would see that as a bad deal.
Why would another team pay that if there are questions about whether KC can deliver a Superbowl?
Exactly, which is why extending him was a mistake. If they are going to flail, at least do it with a bunch of potentials, not a guy that is good enough, but needs a strong supporting cast to get you any where. If KC would gave a brady type approach to his contract for the sake of building a team I would love him, but I dont think "team" is in his long term plans.
Name 1 other QB that consistently took less to help his team ala Brady. You do get that his wife makes more money than he does, right? Which puts him one of the most rare positions in sports: not needing to maximize your playing career earnings because you and your heirs are set for life. Agree with your comment above but that does not mean there is some secret business dealings either. I agree with Jimmy, in that, Brady was smart enough to know that he would win more superbowls by spreading the salary and thus becoming the greatest QB of all time. He has already made up for the deals he gave to the Pats in fame and fortune (endorsements alone). I think someone like Brady is more motivated to be known as the best then the money part because as you have said he has more then enough $$$ anyway. No secret business's on the side. If some sort of deal, on the side, were revealed it would tarnish him and the organization and again he didn't/doesn't need that.
The days of guys taking less because the window is allegedly wide open or they love Zimmer are over. I don't blame Cousins or anyone for getting what they can - NFL careers are short. Complaining about Cousin's not taking less is a straw man - any qb we sign will sign for what he can get, not give a special purple discount because fans like their Vikings.
Quote: @Mattyman said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ Mattyman said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
The Viking should run to the podium if Herbert is there at #22.
The way they structured Cousins contract, they can trade him next off season BEFORE his 2022 salary is fully guaranteed.
The other team would get Cousins on a contract that is 21M in year one and 35M in year two which is very reasonable.
The Vikings would save 11 mil in cap space in 2021 and 45 mil in 2022.
You could even argue that the Vikings should use their 2021 first round pick to move up to get Herbert or Tua.
Then, if they trade Cousins to a team for that team's 2021 first, they will have recouped the pick.
One thing is for certain.
If Mannion or Browning have to play any then we are in ...
More trouble than a little bit!
If the Vikings traded for Cousins and took on his 56 million in contract AND gave up a 1st round pick I would see that as a bad deal.
Why would another team pay that if there are questions about whether KC can deliver a Superbowl?
The Vikings traded a 1st and a 4th to take on Sam Bradford and 25 mil remaining of his contract. - The Rams paid 10 million of SB salary.
I do not know what another team may see in Cousins (49ers and Shanahan) and what they think they can do with him. -In the post above you suggest KC is worth first round pick.
I do not know Cousins is unable to deliver a Super Bowl.
Then why trade him?
They lost to the 49ers because the offensive line got their arses whupped and the defensive line did as well.
True.
When one team runs 47 times for 186 yards and you run 10 times for 21 yards then that ain't on the QB.
Agreed.
I do not buy into the nonsense that it is KC who is solely responsible for the team getting to the Super Bowl and winning.
IMO Kubiak is gonna wind up being the best thing to ever happen to Cousins . Fix the Oline. Get a couple new weapons and this offense is wired.
The numbers I posted for Bradford already included that 11 mil paid by the Eagles (not the Rams) but the facts are probably not too important because the entire idea is no good.
That's cool.
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