With 11 pass breakups, 19 interceptions, and a first-team All-America title under his belt, Harris had an impressive college career. It was a torn labrum suffered in his senior season that caused him to go undrafted in the 2015 NFL Draft.
I remember scouting Harris. He had great cover skills and was a leader, but lacked the size needed for an NFL Safety. I think he played most of his college career at right about 180lbs, and there was a concern he didn't have the frame to bulk up very much. That, combined with his injury pushed him back in The Draft. He didn't exactly light it up at camp, either. He's a good example of a guy that takes a couple years to be ready physically, but the other traits were there.
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
@ StickyBun said:
Undrafted........crazy.
For all the bitching when Spielman gets on Day Two and Three, where's the acclaim when he and the scouts consistently pull guys out Day Four?
The fact is that he has made the most late round picks of ANY team in the NFL since he became a GM. If he didn't hit on the guys like Diggs, Weatherly, etc. he probably wouldn't still be a GM.
I'm mostly supportive of his tenure but the constant trading out of the middle rounds to mine the late rounds isn't my favorite trait of his. And the constant lauding of his late round successes seems to always omit the fact that he makes the most picks too.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ StickyBun said:
Undrafted........crazy.
For all the bitching when Spielman gets on Day Two and Three, where's the acclaim when he and the scouts consistently pull guys out Day Four?
The fact is that he has made the most late round picks of ANY team in the NFL since he became a GM. If he didn't hit on the guys like Diggs, Weatherly, etc. he probably wouldn't still be a GM.
I'm mostly supportive of his tenure but the constant trading out of the middle rounds to mine the late rounds isn't my favorite trait of his. And the constant lauding of his late round successes seems to always omit the fact that he makes the most picks too.
So how he does it negates the fact that he does it? So the meal tastes great but since you don't approve of his measuring technique, you don't like it?
Put it this way, perhaps he sees something. Maybe that mid rounders typically are average players and that he has more freedom to take a flyer on late rounders. The flyers are boom or bust because he is looking for the home run, the physical freaks, the guys that are ignored. Some fail for the reasons they slipped, some are hits.
Dunno, but he gets paid a hell of a lot more than I do to know this stuff. Maybe it is mostly an ego trip, maybe he is a genius. But looking at our roster that has been built mostly from the draft and has plenty of stud players, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. That is with the caveat that his method has not worked well at O-line. He seems to be changing his method there. And the lack of developing talent at QB once he drafted a guy is another flaw. Cousins was that mid rounder that developed behind a high draft pick. We haven't done that, choosing to protect the ego of the high pick rather than draft insurance. But the rest of the roster is damn stacked.
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
@ StickyBun said:
Undrafted........crazy.
For all the bitching when Spielman gets on Day Two and Three, where's the acclaim when he and the scouts consistently pull guys out Day Four?
When he first started doing that he wasn't particularly good at it. In order to justify trading down for late round picks you have to eventually show that it's actually working. My belief is that Rick believed in the idea and stuck with it until they got better at identifying late and post draft talent. I heard a former director of scouting once say that after the 4th round everyone's just guessing. So you might as well have as many guesses as possible. Harris, Thielen, and Weatherly argue pretty strongly for it. Other promising players like Beebe, Boone, Roc, Odenigbo, Aviante, Zylstra, Holton, etc probably do as well.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ StickyBun said:
Undrafted........crazy.
For all the bitching when Spielman gets on Day Two and Three, where's the acclaim when he and the scouts consistently pull guys out Day Four?
When he first started doing that he wasn't particularly good at it. In order to justify trading down for late round picks you have to eventually show that it's actually working. My belief is that Rick believed in the idea and stuck with it until they got better at identifying late and post draft talent. I heard a former director of scouting once say that after the 4th round everyone's just guessing. So you might as well have as many guesses as possible. Harris, Thielen, and Weatherly argue pretty strongly for it. Other promising players like Beebe, Boone, Roc, Odenigbo, Aviante, Zylstra, Holton, etc probably do as well.
Having coaches that can identify traits they want may have helped him as well.
I would feel better on Ricks drafting preferences if he didnt have so many fails in the first round. granted all teams have guys that dont live up to potential, but to miss as bad as he has with Ponder, Kalil, Patterson, and Treadwell, thats a hard decade. maybe since coaches have an assistant for everything Rick should have an assistant that handles the first round for him?
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
With 11 pass breakups, 19 interceptions, and a first-team All-America title under his belt, Harris had an impressive college career. It was a torn labrum suffered in his senior season that caused him to go undrafted in the 2015 NFL Draft.
Thank you
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