Trump.... you are losing your base

[JimmyinSD]

Plenty arent happy with the the BBB,   now the Epstein shits seems to be getting swept under the rug?  Either he doesn't have the power he thought he did,  or he is selling out.  That whole epstein shit just blows my mind,  and the lack of outrage by our elected officials just dumps more gas on the fire that our 2 party system is broke beyond repair.  

We dont need a third party,  we need to get rid of the parties all together.

This is so fucked up.

[pattersaur]

The Epstein stuff, his taxes, the list goes on. Many shady politicians, he's hardly unique. Sad times on all sides of the aisle, I agree.

[Waterboy]

Plenty arent happy with the the BBB,   now the Epstein shits seems to be getting swept under the rug?  Either he doesn't have the power he thought he did,  or he is selling out.  That whole epstein shit just blows my mind,  and the lack of outrage by our elected officials just dumps more gas on the fire that our 2 party system is broke beyond repair.  

We dont need a third party,  we need to get rid of the parties all together.

This is so fucked up.

Jimmy, Trump is NOT losing his base at all.  Hes the highest rated Republican ever in the polls you don’t believe in.   If you look at polls like Insider Advantage, Tripp IBD, and Rasmussen, you’ll find they’ve been remarkably accurate for some time. It seems like you think you represent the avg American. I don’t think I do and I don’t think you do either. ? 

I do agree and am upset about the Epstein shit, whatever it is.  One thing I do know is he’s no part of it because if he were, it would be leaked. There is something going on bigger than any one individual with this whole thing.  The silence is stunning on all sides. Therefore, I’m going to blame it on all of the above rather than on Trump.  If anyone has been totally transparent, it’s been Trump.  There is a reason why he initially indicated full disclosure and changed. I’m guessing it’s in the best interest of the general public not to know for whatever reason.

[JimmyinSD]

Jimmy, Trump is NOT losing his base at all.  Hes the highest rated Republican ever in the polls you don’t believe in.   If you look at polls like Insider Advantage, Tripp IBD, and Rasmussen, you’ll find they’ve been remarkably accurate for some time. It seems like you think you represent the avg American. I don’t think I do and I don’t think you do either. ? 

I do agree and am upset about the Epstein shit, whatever it is.  One thing I do know is he’s no part of it because if he were, it would be leaked. There is something going on bigger than any one individual with this whole thing.  The silence is stunning on all sides. Therefore, I’m going to blame it on all of the above rather than on Trump.  If anyone has been totally transparent, it’s been Trump.  There is a reason why he initially indicated full disclosure and changed. I’m guessing it’s in the best interest of the general public not to know for whatever reason.

Then he should quit running his mouth about doing things and then backing away.

As far as his polling numbers ,  he's still in the honeymoon phase.  I am expecting his numbers to drop after things like the failed promises of the bbb, the Elon fallout, and now the epstien cover up.  He is going to take some hits on the texas floods,   although I disagree with those being a failure from the federal level, at least at this point.

[pattersaur]

Trump will never lose his base until they have someone new (and very likely in my opinion— more radical) to flock too. And if he can position his kids well then maybe he can keep his supporters through them.

Even in this thread there’s someone saying they blame everyone on the Epstein list… except for Donald Trump .

[Waterboy]

Then he should quit running his mouth about doing things and then backing away.

As far as his polling numbers ,  he's still in the honeymoon phase.  I am expecting his numbers to drop after things like the failed promises of the bbb, the Elon fallout, and now the epstien cover up.  He is going to take some hits on the texas floods,   although I disagree with those being a failure from the federal level, at least at this point.

Trump has NEVER been in a honeymoon phase.  His support is either there or it's not, and over time as the Dems have become just plain crazy, he's pulled in more supporters.  Those are the only ones truly at risk.  Trump delivers on a far higher % of his promises than any president in American history, yet you're here asking him to land a quadruple flip with no splash.  The BBB is not failed promises.  It is yet tbd.  If you listen to Bessent and Hassett, the scoring of the BBB and assumptions that it will add to the debt are because the CBO is scoring at 1.8% growth.  The attached is a good interview with an interviewer not on Team Trump that should provide some context.  Bottom line, we're talking a gloomy assessment that adds 4 trillion to the debt over 10 years when we've been adding 2 trillion per year of late.   The more realistic assumption is probably some debt reduction, particularly when tariff revenue is factored in.  



It seems like you're putting years of fiscal mismanagement all on Trump's back to fix in six months.  With entitlement spending, that's simply not feasible.  This bill is meant to turn the ship in the right direction.  Subsequential bills will be aimed at getting steam behind that.   He's cutting military spending by having Europe and other countries ante up.  He's leveling the playing field with the tariffs and implementing them in a way that's not inflationary.  He's bringing back vital industries such as steel, lumber, technology, and pharmaceuticals in a myriad of ways.  People can always complain about something, but I think it's crazy to say he's not trying to deliver on nearly every promise he made as a candidate.    

I think the Epstein lack of transparency has been the biggest fumble so far of his presidency, but I think it's still fixable and hopefully he decides to do so.  In terms of importance for the public to know, I don't rate it that high, but it does put a dent in his message of trust and transparency.   He has been by far the best president in that regard in generations, so I'm willing to forgive him a bit, but I don't see a reason that he can't say something without saying too much as pertains to Epstein.  If you start with the fact that we know Prince Andrew was a client and then realize a certain former president may have put himself in a position for the US to be blackmailed and that Trump's team now knows details that we don't, it's understandable that it probably shouldn't be released.  The two errors I see are 1) Overpromising because of good intentions 2) Trying to deny anything exists at this point instead of admitting things exist but can't be divulged at this time.  Of course, that strategy will lead to demands over and over again.  It's a tricky spot.  .

[badgervike]

Plenty arent happy with the the BBB,   now the Epstein shits seems to be getting swept under the rug?  Either he doesn't have the power he thought he did,  or he is selling out.  That whole epstein shit just blows my mind,  and the lack of outrage by our elected officials just dumps more gas on the fire that our 2 party system is broke beyond repair.  

We dont need a third party,  we need to get rid of the parties all together.

This is so fucked up.

A couple of thoughts.  

Epstein - If there was anything in there, you don't think we'd know about it by now?  Two Administrations have failed to release information.  My guess is it's a lot of circumstantial stuff like phone records and things like that.  His "client list"?  He was one twisted f@ck but he wasn't running a brothel.  It was friends and acquaintances some of who might have partaken in Epstein's proclivities.  If we found out you were a child molester..would that make everyone on this board a child molester?  Or everybody in your phone directory?  Of course not.  Epstein had a lot of friends and business acquaintances including many in high places that knew nothing about the other side of Epstein.  It would be irresponsible to release contact information without any evidence they had knowledge and/or participation.  There has been nobody else charged in the case other than Maxwell which has surprised me all along.  

The one thing I agree with Waterboy is that you can pretty well guarantee that Trump did indeed break off contact with Epstein 20 years ago as he has repeatedly said because of an incident with Epstein and a member's underage daughter.  How can you guarantee that?  Because we can guarantee that if there was even one 20 minute call to Trump in those files...it would have leaked to the public.  You think the Biden Administration would just sit on that information particularly in a contentious election?  Not a chance in hell.  Having said that, it would be nice to see some of the information released but only that which relates to actual crimes.  A bunch of circumstantial release of names including the majority of those people that had no knowledge of that side of Epstein isn't the right thing to do.

The BBB - As I've said previously, I'll wait until I pass judgement on that in conjunction with other actions such as spending cuts and revenues.  That scoring was a static scoring for the bill alone which included projections related to extending the tax cuts.  Without those tax cuts, the US would have the largest tax increase in history.  That would have tanked the economy.  The Supreme Court is letting the Admin continue with its workforce reduction as of yesterday.  That should help reduces expenses.  Bessent is projecting $300B per year in tariffs which would completely offset the CBO scored BBB over the 10 year period.  Lots of moving parts going on with economic stimulus, tariffs, interest rates.  Inflation has been hovering around the Fed target of 2 percent.  I would expect them to start reducing the Prime Rate at the next meeting.  Reducing Prime reduces interest payments by the Treasury.    Based on what I've read, a 1% reduction in Prime would reduce Fed interest payments by $200B per year over the long term.  The big keys for Trump will be whether he can jump start the economy.  If not, the deficit is doomed.

[JimmyinSD]

A couple of thoughts.  

Epstein - If there was anything in there, you don't think we'd know about it by now?  Two Administrations have failed to release information.  My guess is it's a lot of circumstantial stuff like phone records and things like that.  His "client list"?  He was one twisted f@ck but he wasn't running a brothel.  It was friends and acquaintances some of who might have partaken in Epstein's proclivities.  If we found out you were a child molester..would that make everyone on this board a child molester?  Or everybody in your phone directory?  Of course not.  Epstein had a lot of friends and business acquaintances including many in high places that knew nothing about the other side of Epstein.  It would be irresponsible to release contact information without any evidence they had knowledge and/or participation.  There has been nobody else charged in the case other than Maxwell which has surprised me all along.  

The one thing I agree with Waterboy is that you can pretty well guarantee that Trump did indeed break off contact with Epstein 20 years ago as he has repeatedly said because of an incident with Epstein and a member's underage daughter.  How can you guarantee that?  Because we can guarantee that if there was even one 20 minute call to Trump in those files...it would have leaked to the public.  You think the Biden Administration would just sit on that information particularly in a contentious election?  Not a chance in hell.  Having said that, it would be nice to see some of the information released but only that which relates to actual crimes.  A bunch of circumstantial release of names including the majority of those people that had no knowledge of that side of Epstein isn't the right thing to do. 

The BBB - As I've said previously, I'll wait until I pass judgement on that in conjunction with other actions such as spending cuts and revenues.  That scoring was a static scoring for the bill alone which included projections related to extending the tax cuts.  Without those tax cuts, the US would have the largest tax increase in history.  That would have tanked the economy.  The Supreme Court is letting the Admin continue with its workforce reduction as of yesterday.  That should help reduces expenses.  Bessent is projecting $300B per year in tariffs which would completely offset the CBO scored BBB over the 10 year period.  Lots of moving parts going on with economic stimulus, tariffs, interest rates.  Inflation has been hovering around the Fed target of 2 percent.  I would expect them to start reducing the Prime Rate at the next meeting.  Reducing Prime reduces interest payments by the Treasury.    Based on what I've read, a 1% reduction in Prime would reduce Fed interest payments by $200B per year over the long term.  The big keys for Trump will be whether he can jump start the economy.  If not, the deficit is doomed.

Bondi said months ago she was reviewing the list,  now there is no list?   How can his madam be in prison if there was nothing there to convict on.   To much smoke for no fire.  I dont care who's on the list,  the fuckers need to be in prison of they were engaging with trafficked girls and women.

[badgervike]

Bondi said months ago she was reviewing the list,  now there is no list?   How can his madam be in prison if there was nothing there to convict on.   To much smoke for no fire.  I dont care who's on the list,  the fuckers need to be in prison of they were engaging with trafficked girls and women.

Again, this isn't Heidi Fleiss.  The vast majority of Epstein's contacts were legitimate business and social contacts that had NO idea that Epstein had a dark side.   Many of those contacts were among the rich and famous.  The problem with releasing "the list" is you are basically requiring people to defend themselves against horrific acts.  They will always wear that Scarlett letter.  

So..if specific individuals that have a proven association and participated in these acts, that's a different deal.  I suspect there isn't as there haven't been more charges.  But releasing a list of those in Epstein's scope of influence with no proof of knowledge or participation in these acts...absolutely not.

The problem with this is the conspiracy theory regarding Epstein has become a cottage industry much like the Kennedy assassinations. That release of the Kennedy information didn't shed any real new knowledge that there was a conspiracy or cover up much like this investigation didn't turn up much. The big difference is you weren't implicating a bunch of innocent people by releasing the Kennedy files. Epstein was friends with a lot of people in high places. Should we tar and feather all of them regardless of whether they had anything to do with Epstein's exploits?

[Waterboy]

This is the way Team Trump looks at the effects of the BBB and I would take their track record over the CBO's failed track record every day and Sunday. The CBO purposely rewards increased taxes and shuns growth.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/how-cbo-...s-not-debt