They need to extend how many?!

[purplefaithful]

Hunter
JJ
Darrisaw
Hock

Thats a list of the best players on the roster
Thats daunting for any franchise, let alone one that could barely make rookie payroll.

[Guest]

I feel like the biggest problem with that list is that those
guys haven’t been good enough to win it all, and we need to add more players on
top of that.

[Guest]

@purplefaithful said:
Hunter
JJ
Darrisaw
Hock

Thats a list of the best players on the roster
Thats daunting for any franchise, let alone one that could barely make rookie payroll.

How do the Niners have

Bosa
Deebo
Williams
Kittle

And still have a strong roster?

It can be done, especially if we had a young inexpensive QB to build around.

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@medaille said:
I feel like the biggest problem with that list is that those
guys haven’t been good enough to win it all, and we need to add more players on
top of that.

Yah the D side % of the cap pie has got to look miniscule vs O. 

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@Skodin said:

@purplefaithful said:
Hunter
JJ
Darrisaw
Hock

Thats a list of the best players on the roster
Thats daunting for any franchise, let alone one that could barely make rookie payroll.

How do the Niners have

Bosa
Deebo
Williams
Kittle

And still have a strong roster?

It can be done, especially if we had a young inexpensive QB to build around.

We we don't have one of those pie in the sky young, inexpensive QBs.  There lies the fallacy of the young cheap QB plan though.  Someone had done the looking and I don't remember the source but they said since '00...I think that was the date they used....that only Wilson and Mahomes had won a SB on a rookie deal.  The other 20/22 times it was QBs on big payout contracts. 

We do have a QB good enough to win us a SB.  It just really hard to win one.  Our problem isn't necessarily Kirk. Its that the last several years we've not really had any players from the lower rounds become superstars.  Really since the Diggs, Hunter and Kendricks?? draft we haven't really hit on more then our first round picks, and we haven't reliably hit on those either. 

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@AGRforever said:

@Skodin said:

@purplefaithful said:
Hunter
JJ
Darrisaw
Hock

Thats a list of the best players on the roster
Thats daunting for any franchise, let alone one that could barely make rookie payroll.

How do the Niners have

Bosa
Deebo
Williams
Kittle

And still have a strong roster?

It can be done, especially if we had a young inexpensive QB to build around.

Someone had done the looking and I don't remember the source but they said since '00...I think that was the date they used....that only Wilson and Mahomes had won a SB on a rookie deal.  The other 20/22 times it was QBs on big payout contracts. 

The rookie wage scale occurred in 2011, so it’s a pretty
small sample size.


This is the list of SB winning QBs since 2011:

• Eli
  Manning
  
• Joe
  Flacco
  
• Russell
  Wilson
  
• Tom
  Brady (4x)
  
• Peyton
  Manning
  
• Nick
  Foles
  
• Patrick
  Mahomes (2x)
  
• Matthew
  Stafford
  

From my memory, so maybe there’s errors, but Wilson and
Mahomes are the only rookie wage scale QBs to win the SB.  Mahomes had a cap hit of $33M in 2022 which
was his first year where he had “big” money as his long deal had a couple years
of low cap hits.  Flacco won on his
rookie contract, but his rookie contract was pre-wage scale (his cap hit was 5.7M out of 120M cap).  Foles was a backup who wasn’t making much
money and his supporting roster was build around Wentz’s rookie contract.  Do with that what you will.