Would you get behind this?

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@purplefaithful said:

@kmillard said:

@JimmyinSD said:
I think Nix is being under represented in the mocks,   and this is from a Penix fan. So many want to draft for potential and that ceiling gets inflated higher and higher,  meanwhile very rarely do the planets align to reach that pre draft ceiling,   meanwhile that guy that had solid college stats and career just continues to perform, only difference is its on Sunday now.

Right. I mean would you really hate drafting a 6'2 bigger armed version of a guy that can remind of Drew Brees?

If they dont move up? I think this is the guy Payton runs to the podium for. I would be ok with Nix and the 23rd pic - if the Vikings are. I personally would prefer Nix over Penix. 

I like them both so I am good.

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@MaroonBells said:
Absolutely. If that's the guy all their tape study and analytics says is the best fit for the offense, then go get him. If he's Justin Herbert, nobody's going to care about that '25 1st...especially if the QBs you might "settle" for at 11 becomes the next Trey, Zach or Mac. Could they be wrong? Could it be reversed? Of course, but you have to trust your process. 

Thing is, what has Justin Herbert done for the Chargers? For all those who have bashed Kirko (not saying you MB) for having great stats and a single playoff win, seems they just have a younger, bigger version. Comes back to how does this franchise build the team. As we all know there's an 80% chance the QB draftee won't pan out and wind up on the pile of misfit toys.

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@mgobluevikes said:

@MaroonBells said:
Absolutely. If that's the guy all their tape study and analytics says is the best fit for the offense, then go get him. If he's Justin Herbert, nobody's going to care about that '25 1st...especially if the QBs you might "settle" for at 11 becomes the next Trey, Zach or Mac. Could they be wrong? Could it be reversed? Of course, but you have to trust your process. 

Thing is, what has Justin Herbert done for the Chargers? For all those who have bashed Kirko (not saying you MB) for having great stats and a single playoff win, seems they just have a younger, bigger version. Comes back to how does this franchise build the team. As we all know there's an 80% chance the QB draftee won't pan out and wind up on the pile of misfit toys.

Agreed, we all know how speculative it is. The #'s are downright scary. 

But do we know the "real forces" behind success or failure?

How many of these kids had the DNA? But not the benefit of #1 or #3 (below). I suspect the % is high, especially among the shitty teams drafting in top 10 for QB's...

Flipping HC's, OC's, poor surrounds, no running games etc..

Franchises like the Jets are poster children for where qb's go to die. 

Nature v Nurture:
1). How well did the team build the surround?
2). How much good, QB DNA is inherent in the Rook?
3). How well did the franchise coach/teach, evolve system to fit strengths and curate over time at the right rate?

Is it possible that the 80% failure rate isnt because these kids aren't good?

But (maybe half of em??) got ruined by the franchise drafting em?