Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I can wrap my head around people not wanting to get vaccinated for various reasons. But how that independenly falls out so strongly across team red vs blue is kinda crazy.
The differences in team red vs blue used to be role of govt, spending and topics of that ilk. Now these differences are in human values and culture -- more than ever.
I'm naively holding out hope the harmful rhetoric and rift in the country heal. But I dont see it anytime soon. Too many people just look for the conflict vs common good anymore.
Lots of "seething mad" on both sides of the aisle and streets.
I think it boils down to trust vs. distrust of science, which is very much a blue vs. red thing. It shouldn't be, but it is.
funniest thing I have read on here.
Just curious, how many reactions, injuries, deaths does it take to be concerned? I have known multiple people to get seriously sick after the second dose. One I know had covid and was in pretty serious condition.
Too many questions about an new technology, experimental phase vaccine that is pushed by an industry that doesn't deserve the trust people have in it.
So true, distrust of the govt aside, what has big pharma done to make us feel trusting of them? their history of profit first is quite alarming.
Who needs medicine anyway?
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red herring much?
Do we have an opioid issue? Has any big pharma never given us reason to distrust them? Nobody ever dies from lack adequate testing?
And if you look at your graph, we have increase 1.5 years ALE in the last ten years. The rest are projections. Projections that don't match up with the doom and gloom covid porn media coverage.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I can wrap my head around people not wanting to get vaccinated for various reasons. But how that independenly falls out so strongly across team red vs blue is kinda crazy.
The differences in team red vs blue used to be role of govt, spending and topics of that ilk. Now these differences are in human values and culture -- more than ever.
I'm naively holding out hope the harmful rhetoric and rift in the country heal. But I dont see it anytime soon. Too many people just look for the conflict vs common good anymore.
Lots of "seething mad" on both sides of the aisle and streets.
I think it boils down to trust vs. distrust of science, which is very much a blue vs. red thing. It shouldn't be, but it is.
funniest thing I have read on here.
Just curious, how many reactions, injuries, deaths does it take to be concerned? I have known multiple people to get seriously sick after the second dose. One I know had covid and was in pretty serious condition.
Too many questions about an new technology, experimental phase vaccine that is pushed by an industry that doesn't deserve the trust people have in it.
So true, distrust of the govt aside, what has big pharma done to make us feel trusting of them? their history of profit first is quite alarming.
Who needs medicine anyway?
my family shows a trend that is either me dying in the next decade, late 40s to early 60s, or living until my 90s or longer, while it was cool to have a great grandma that was over 100, and my grandma made it until her later 90s, and my dad is currently in his 80s... I look at their quality of life and there is no way I would want to live that long. I am not saying i want to sign up for the other end of my familial spectrum, but I have always said 73 has a nice ring to it for an age to punch out at. when my ability to do what I want when I want without assistance is gone... then imo whats the point? besides, I was told by a judge in my teens that I would be lucky to see 30... so I have already outlived the systems expectations for me apparently.
Italy’s medicines regulator on Monday announced the precautionary, temporary ban on using AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine amid new reports of people developing dangerous blood clots after taking the shot. France and Germany have also suspended it.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ savannahskol said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
This brainwashing of the Trump cult is beyond nuts. We live in a different era of disinformation.
Last night my kids wanted to know who Jim Jones was and where the expression "drinking the kool aid" came from. So I showed them one of the better docudramas on Jonestown. Watching it I was just amazed at how similar he was to Donald Trump: the narcissism, the paranoia, pretending to be a man of God, the seething hatred of journalists, habitual lying while convincing his followers that HE was telling them the truth and everyone else was lying. They called it a mass suicide, but it was really mass murder.
Did the docudrama inform your daughters that Jones was a big liberal NoCal Dem influencer? Informing them of the lunacy of the SJW mindset?
"Having moved his flock to northern California in the 1960s, Jones began leveraging their labor toward political ends, volunteering them for protests or electioneering on behalf of friendly aspirants to public office. Gaining the respect of San Francisco’s political class, Jones became a player in his own right. Many gave him credit for Moscone’s tight victory in the 1975 mayoral runoff, and he was appointed head of the San Francisco Housing Authority. Praised as a hero of social justice and a crusader for racial equality, Jones became an important figure in Democratic politics.
No doubt Jones was a socialist, but that's not what made him dangerous. What made him dangerous was that he was a drug-addicted, paranoid, malignant narcissist who convinced thousands that they were being lied to and that only HE was telling them the truth.
Like I've been saying for years, the fact that Trump was a conservative republican is irrelevant. Who really gives a shit what his view is on tax policy or the role of government? That's not what made him dangerous. What made him dangerous was the above characteristics he shared with Jones. And that kind of madness can be found on all sides of the political spectrum.
What rock have you been living under? Trump and conservative are about as far from one another as they get.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I can wrap my head around people not wanting to get vaccinated for various reasons. But how that independenly falls out so strongly across team red vs blue is kinda crazy.
The differences in team red vs blue used to be role of govt, spending and topics of that ilk. Now these differences are in human values and culture -- more than ever.
I'm naively holding out hope the harmful rhetoric and rift in the country heal. But I dont see it anytime soon. Too many people just look for the conflict vs common good anymore.
Lots of "seething mad" on both sides of the aisle and streets.
I think it boils down to trust vs. distrust of science, which is very much a blue vs. red thing. It shouldn't be, but it is.
It has more to do with media then science. If you think the media isn't pushing an agenda then you aren't paying attention.
Liberals always pull the "science card" that they try embrace which makes themselves feel superior. It has nothing to do with that. "Science" in the pursuit of profit/grants over the years has lied so many times to liberals and conservatives alike that one should always question what they have say. Follow the money. You'll find a scientist willing to say anything if the price tag is right.
As for human values/culture. No one is right. Your world view and mine might be vastly different. That doesn't make yours inherently better or worse. There's crazy bullshit on both sides of the political spectrum trying to force their lives and lifestyle on other people.
As for vaccines. I ran out and got my 1st shot ASAP. I have bad asthma so I qualified for 1C. I got the mondera version. When they say you don't feel good after the shot, they aren't kidding. I've felt like crap since. Thankfully the symptoms seems to be moderating 4 days later. They also say the 2nd is worse then the 1st.....so......yeah.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I can wrap my head around people not wanting to get vaccinated for various reasons. But how that independenly falls out so strongly across team red vs blue is kinda crazy.
The differences in team red vs blue used to be role of govt, spending and topics of that ilk. Now these differences are in human values and culture -- more than ever.
I'm naively holding out hope the harmful rhetoric and rift in the country heal. But I dont see it anytime soon. Too many people just look for the conflict vs common good anymore.
Lots of "seething mad" on both sides of the aisle and streets.
I think it boils down to trust vs. distrust of science, which is very much a blue vs. red thing. It shouldn't be, but it is.
funniest thing I have read on here.
Just curious, how many reactions, injuries, deaths does it take to be concerned? I have known multiple people to get seriously sick after the second dose. One I know had covid and was in pretty serious condition.
Too many questions about an new technology, experimental phase vaccine that is pushed by an industry that doesn't deserve the trust people have in it.
Assuming they got the mrna versions there shouldn't be anything "dangerous". Our cells produce mrna constantly. Now what they use to preserve the vaccine is a different story all together. But those would be problems for people in the placebo group just the same. I took the vaccine and didn't question it.
Here is an interesting article on mrna, if you want to read more on it. It came out prior to covid needing a vaccine.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00272-5
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