Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Solidifying the interior OL makes Cousins better, makes Cook better, makes the D better. Definitely too high for a G that isn't Quinten Nelson, but impact wise we'll do no better. There isn't a 3T out there worthy of a first...maybe Tufele, but that's not a sure thing.
What might be more likely is an OT there, especially after trying to trade up last year for a shot at Wirfs. There's a bunch of OTs worthy of a low teens pick.
As far as the second goes, we have a ton of ammo to move up. 3 thirds and 3 fourths, depending on the comp pick.
Best overall value where we pick will most likely be CB or WR, and since we just spent two firsts last year there, I don't think we hit either spot again, save for a guy falling.
I wish they would concede that this year is a bust and start using these last few games as preseason. Try Oneill at LT, Reiff at LG, Udoh at RT. See what they have to work with. Hell flip Cleveland to LT and see of he can move outside and reverse his foot and hand work after 6 months of playing on the right. Paint ourselves a better picture of our real needs across that OL.
If the Vikings beat the Jags (likely) and the Cards lose to the Rams (likely) the Vikings are in the playoffs. Obviously pending how the rest of the season plays out, but there will be no conceding, as much as we might want them to.
Oh good another almost coulda been year. Uts one thing to make the playoffs with a good team beating good teams, but this year is a joke and this roster isn't even close to being ready for a SB run unless the other playoff teams all get covid and have to use WRs as QBs, and even then they will likely still hang 30 on Zims defense this year.
You know you're talking about a GAME, right? That you don't even play? Sometimes I worry about you people. Try to enjoy winning. And if we get to play another game or two, all the better. And if that means we get a lower pick, can't pass GO and collect $200? You know what, that's OK too. We'll figure it out.
Ahh, don't know about that for long term fans. Everyone is different. Even if you view it just as entertainment, its like watching a movie genre you love but always knowing how it ends before you watch it. I agree, getting into the playoffs is better than nothing but ultimately as in this year, we know how the movie is going to end....and it won't be the 'feel good' ending we all want. Always being left dissatisfied when you buy-in can take a toll.
If nothing changes but you expect a different outcome, isn't that the definition of (fan) insanity? I don't know, personally I don't judge any long-time fan of the team and how they feel about the Vikings, negative or not.
No, that's what everyone SAYS is the definition of insanity, but I don't know where that came from. It's not true. A few minutes spent with my ex-wife would give you the true definition.
Also, I'd say that it's more insane to expect a team of professional athletes to concede one game away from the playoffs, just so that we fans can watch players coaches have been watching in practice all year long and maybe get a 4 to 6 to 10 slot bump in an organized crap shoot where, for example, Henry Ruggs goes 12th and Justin Jefferson goes 22. Where Josh Rosen goes at 10 and Lamar Jackson at 32.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Solidifying the interior OL makes Cousins better, makes Cook better, makes the D better. Definitely too high for a G that isn't Quinten Nelson, but impact wise we'll do no better. There isn't a 3T out there worthy of a first...maybe Tufele, but that's not a sure thing.
What might be more likely is an OT there, especially after trying to trade up last year for a shot at Wirfs. There's a bunch of OTs worthy of a low teens pick.
As far as the second goes, we have a ton of ammo to move up. 3 thirds and 3 fourths, depending on the comp pick.
Best overall value where we pick will most likely be CB or WR, and since we just spent two firsts last year there, I don't think we hit either spot again, save for a guy falling.
I wish they would concede that this year is a bust and start using these last few games as preseason. Try Oneill at LT, Reiff at LG, Udoh at RT. See what they have to work with. Hell flip Cleveland to LT and see of he can move outside and reverse his foot and hand work after 6 months of playing on the right. Paint ourselves a better picture of our real needs across that OL.
If the Vikings beat the Jags (likely) and the Cards lose to the Rams (likely) the Vikings are in the playoffs. Obviously pending how the rest of the season plays out, but there will be no conceding, as much as we might want them to.
Oh good another almost coulda been year. Uts one thing to make the playoffs with a good team beating good teams, but this year is a joke and this roster isn't even close to being ready for a SB run unless the other playoff teams all get covid and have to use WRs as QBs, and even then they will likely still hang 30 on Zims defense this year.
You know you're talking about a GAME, right? That you don't even play? Sometimes I worry about you people. Try to enjoy winning. And if we get to play another game or two, all the better. And if that means we get a lower pick, can't pass GO and collect $200? You know what, that's OK too. We'll figure it out.
Ahh, don't know about that for long term fans. Everyone is different. Even if you view it just as entertainment, its like watching a movie genre you love but always knowing how it ends before you watch it. I agree, getting into the playoffs is better than nothing but ultimately as in this year, we know how the movie is going to end....and it won't be the 'feel good' ending we all want. Always being left dissatisfied when you buy-in can take a toll.
If nothing changes but you expect a different outcome, isn't that the definition of (fan) insanity? I don't know, personally I don't judge any long-time fan of the team and how they feel about the Vikings, negative or not.
No, that's what everyone SAYS is the definition of insanity, but I don't know where that came from. It's not true. A few minutes spent with my ex-wife would give you the true definition.
Also, I'd say that it's more insane to expect a team of professional athletes to concede one game away from the playoffs, just so that we fans can watch players coaches have been watching in practice all year long and maybe get a 4 to 6 to 10 slot bump in an organized crap shoot where, for example, Henry Ruggs goes 12th and Justin Jefferson goes 22. Where Josh Rosen goes at 10 and Lamar Jackson at 32.
A little hyperbolic, but I'm not disagreeing with your take. I'm saying its different for everyone that's been a long term fan. You do you and jimmy will do jimmy and so on. I mean, its about winning....whether you are the HC, the QB, or a fan from Des Moines, IA. Does being mediocre get you there? Does being playoff fodder?
The quote from Bud Grant is hilarious because the guy went to 4 Superbowls and is in the Hall of Fame. Did he do that losing a bunch of games, lmao? Of course not. The quote is about life, not being a football coach.
Grant retired as the eighth most successful coach in NFL history with an overall record of 161 wins, 99 losses, and 5 ties.
Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
Rieff isn't getting any younger, and we beat him up on his salary this year. It's time to look for his replacement if we think Cleveland is going to stay inside. If we think O'Neil can move to the left side, Jalen Mayfield is worth a look as a RT.
How sold are we on Michael Pierce as a long term solution? There's a reason Baltimore let him walk. At 6' 0" 345 and out of work for a year who are we going to get next year? At the very least we know we don't have a true push the pocket DT #2 ala WIlliams Wall.
Like Reiff, Harry isn't getting any younger, and plays a position where the drop off will suddenly show up, and it will be a whole lot better not having the cupboards bare.
We're really thin at LBer and about to get thinner after the expected release of Barr this offseason.
If Pennix out of IN declares, I'd certainly give him a look in the 4th or 5th. Guy has the "it" factor, and threw for over 400 yds on Ohio State this year, nearly knocking them off. He would be a great guy to sit and learn under Cousins for a year or 2.
I don't understand the hype about Kwitty Paye. Granted the Michigan defense is absolutely putrid, but I haven't seen top 10 talent out of Paye. Any thought of putting him inside is insane. Pretty sure he's never played over 265lbs. Hutchinson is the better prospect with a nonstop motor, if not a a bit of an overachiever. Hutchinson blew out his knee this year, so might be a 4th rd. pick for someone.
I came on this site after Pennix lite up Ohio State with some amazing throws. I said he was going to be a NFL star but is only a sophomore. I'm not backing off that because he is only a sophomore but I watched him this weekend vs Maryland and he was equally as bad in that game as he was good vs Ohio State. He did a 180 from one week to the next. Anyway, I am going to keep my eyes on him moving forward.
As you said, Pierce is 345 and I think has had some weight issues with Baltimore. So a season off and God only knows what 6'0 400lbs looks like, Ha. Basically can we really count on him in the interior without seeing him ever play on our line? Also, is Hunter going to be back at 100% and we still need a 3T.
Isn't Reiff signed through next year? Spotrac has him signed through 2021. That said this is his best season and as you said we nickeled and dimed him this offseason.
My focus in the first round is getting Wilson/QB. Although, Zimmer and Spelly might not do that because they need to have a good season and need an immediate starter and not a QB of the future. If not QB, then shore up that OL for Cousins and then the future QB the following year.
Quote: @minny65 said:
My focus in the first round is getting Wilson/QB. Although, Zimmer and Spelly might not do that because they need to have a good season and need an immediate starter and not a QB of the future. If not QB, then shore up that OL for Cousins and then the future QB the following year.
Let's play Devil's Advocate and imagine what Spielman's plan/vision may be. He traded for Yannick this year, which is a "we can win now" move. He extended Cousins 8 months ago, and he signed Cook to a big deal for the next few years. He did not trade away any assets even when his team was 2-5 at the trade deadline. These are the moves of a man who believes his team can contend for a championship with the key players already in place - Cook, Jefferson, Thielen, Kendricks, and - yes, Cousins at QB. It's not someone planning a startover rebuild - he has a 64-yo Head Coach, after all!
So, what if he is correct? A lot of people want a rookie QB, any QB, even a guy like Wilson who wasn't on the draft radar last year or a guy like Lance who has played about 14 college games...just draft a QB, any QB!! But how are we all going to feel if Spielman is correct - that we just patch another OL hole and the young defense improves and next year Cousins has a great season and takes us to the SB next season? Wouldn't most people want to see Kirk Cousins retained as our QB in 2022 and extended until he is in his late 30s?
I don't personally think the above is likely, but I think everyone should look at it from Spielman's point of view, and that drafting a replacement for Cousins is absolutely an ADMISSION OF FAILURE - that he was wrong to think they were still in the contention window and able to win with Zimmer and his football philosophy.
Can anyone convince me Spielman is planning for a new-QB rebuild?
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ minny65 said:
My focus in the first round is getting Wilson/QB. Although, Zimmer and Spelly might not do that because they need to have a good season and need an immediate starter and not a QB of the future. If not QB, then shore up that OL for Cousins and then the future QB the following year.
Let's play Devil's Advocate and imagine what Spielman's plan/vision may be. He traded for Yannick this year, which is a "we can win now" move. He extended Cousins 8 months ago, and he signed Cook to a big deal for the next few years. He did not trade away any assets even when his team was 2-5 at the trade deadline. These are the moves of a man who believes his team can contend for a championship with the key players already in place - Cook, Jefferson, Thielen, Kendricks, and - yes, Cousins at QB. It's not someone planning a startover rebuild - he has a 64-yo Head Coach, after all!
So, what if he is correct? A lot of people want a rookie QB, any QB, even a guy like Wilson who wasn't on the draft radar last year or a guy like Lance who has played about 14 college games...just draft a QB, any QB!! But how are we all going to feel if Spielman is correct - that we just patch another OL hole and the young defense improves and next year Cousins has a great season and takes us to the SB next season? Wouldn't most people want to see Kirk Cousins retained as our QB in 2022 and extended until he is in his late 30s?
I don't personally think the above is likely, but I think everyone should look at it from Spielman's point of view, and that drafting a replacement for Cousins is absolutely an ADMISSION OF FAILURE - that he was wrong to think they were still in the contention window and able to win with Zimmer and his football philosophy.
Can anyone convince me Spielman is planning for a new-QB rebuild?
Good question/topic.
I am not going to try and convince you that Spelly is planning on a new QB rebuild. But what I am "hoping" for is Spelly to have the balls similar to the Chiefs did to get Mahome's. But that depends 100% on that they are convinced a particular QB ??? is a stud whether it is Wilson, Lance or someone else that falls within our range to move up for. Do I think that is likely? No.
I agree with you that Spelly is still thinking we still have a window next year and will wait until after then to possibly draft a QB.
But what I am thinking/want is probably not the teams thinking (thats for sure what the hell do I know). But I would want to move on from Zimmer next year although I am not sure who would be the guy to replace him without some more research. I just think Zimmer has reached his peak and it is good but not good enough to get us to another level.
I would want to keep Spelly. I don't think Spelly and Zimmer are a package deal or tied at the hip.
Then I would hope Spelly would take a longer perspective and reach for the stars (ha). Again, all this is predicated that we are sold on a particular draft QB.
None of the above will happen but I will still have this forum to bitch about it 
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Solidifying the interior OL makes Cousins better, makes Cook better, makes the D better. Definitely too high for a G that isn't Quinten Nelson, but impact wise we'll do no better. There isn't a 3T out there worthy of a first...maybe Tufele, but that's not a sure thing.
What might be more likely is an OT there, especially after trying to trade up last year for a shot at Wirfs. There's a bunch of OTs worthy of a low teens pick.
As far as the second goes, we have a ton of ammo to move up. 3 thirds and 3 fourths, depending on the comp pick.
Best overall value where we pick will most likely be CB or WR, and since we just spent two firsts last year there, I don't think we hit either spot again, save for a guy falling.
I wish they would concede that this year is a bust and start using these last few games as preseason. Try Oneill at LT, Reiff at LG, Udoh at RT. See what they have to work with. Hell flip Cleveland to LT and see of he can move outside and reverse his foot and hand work after 6 months of playing on the right. Paint ourselves a better picture of our real needs across that OL.
If the Vikings beat the Jags (likely) and the Cards lose to the Rams (likely) the Vikings are in the playoffs. Obviously pending how the rest of the season plays out, but there will be no conceding, as much as we might want them to.
Oh good another almost coulda been year. Uts one thing to make the playoffs with a good team beating good teams, but this year is a joke and this roster isn't even close to being ready for a SB run unless the other playoff teams all get covid and have to use WRs as QBs, and even then they will likely still hang 30 on Zims defense this year.
You know you're talking about a GAME, right? That you don't even play? Sometimes I worry about you people. Try to enjoy winning. And if we get to play another game or two, all the better. And if that means we get a lower pick, can't pass GO and collect $200? You know what, that's OK too. We'll figure it out.
So how many teams set the goal at the beginning of the year to simply make the playoffs? Fuck the playoffs, if the goal isn't to win the superbowl then we have the wrong people setting the goals. If they aren't building a team to WIN the playoffs then we have the wrong people building the team. If they aren't coaching to win the playoffs then we have the wrong people coaching the team.
If simply making the playoffs is good enough for you more power to you, I set the bar higher than the browns and lions fans though.
If you are happy with mediocrity and meeting low expectations, I am thinking I should be concerned for you. By the way 6700 posts about a game you don't even play...just sayin.
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