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@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ ArizonaViking said:
@ Bullazin said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ pattersaur said:
We just aren’t that good this year. Even though many of us are long suffering fans, there’s been many years— including just last season tbh— where you could squint and maybe picture something magical. From everything the team has shown to this point, the ceiling seems to be mediocrity. Even as Vikings fans, that’s worse than what we’re accustomed to and it stinks.
Kirk is playing very well but it’s pretty clear this roster needs wholesale changes that should’ve been made years ago. The upcoming offseason might finally be the time the team starts that process.
You sure don't hear a lot from "the squad" on here who was pumping this team up all offseason and talking about certain players who don't even play being all pros while lambasting myself and a few others who could see what this team really was from the outset. I generously thought we were a .500 type roster, but even I overshot that one by the looks of things.
If the Vikings really wanted to fix this.. they'd end the Kwesi analytics experiment THIS OFFSEASON and hire a GM with actual personnel and scouting experience to oversee the next phase. I have zero faith in analytics as a barometer in identifying talent, the "competitive rebuild" or the allocation of salary dollars under this guy. It won't happen because the Wilfs are idiots at making football decisions, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen..
This was a 13 win team last year and the leadership was just put in place and havent had time to build it, but weve had this conversation already.
A clock is right twice a day.
Nobody here believed this was going to be a good year or a good team...
Really? I think plenty did. And still do actually. We've dug ourselves in a hole and now have to climb out, but if the playoffs started tomorrow I'd take this year's team over last year's team.
Which would align with the theory that last year's team had a horseshoe up its ass. You can be better and still start 0-3....but still remains to be seen if they can turn it around this season. I think it has to start today. If you can't beat a pedestrian team like Carolina starting a rookie QB, then you have to come to some realizations as a Viking's fan as it pertains to this season.
LOL. Yes, they did have a horseshoe. It was an 11-ish win team that won a couple more than they should have. So far this year's team, though it might be slightly more talented, has removed the horseshoe and presented to their opponents with a card, cake and a couple clowns.
Well, if you're telling me that they only had a horseshoe for 2 more wins last year, I'm going to tell you that I don't agree. And turnovers are part of the game. You can't tell me when you saw that ridiculous TD that bounced off Akayleb Evans that it didn't just smack of same ol' Vikings. And the Chargers coach did one of the most stupid things I've seen in recent memory and the Vikings still couldn't pull out the win.
They are 0-3 of their own making. Big game today for the believers. This is 100% a game they not only need to win, but SHOULD win.
Quote: @Bullazin said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ pattersaur said:
We just aren’t that good this year. Even though many of us are long suffering fans, there’s been many years— including just last season tbh— where you could squint and maybe picture something magical. From everything the team has shown to this point, the ceiling seems to be mediocrity. Even as Vikings fans, that’s worse than what we’re accustomed to and it stinks.
Kirk is playing very well but it’s pretty clear this roster needs wholesale changes that should’ve been made years ago. The upcoming offseason might finally be the time the team starts that process.
You sure don't hear a lot from "the squad" on here who was pumping this team up all offseason and talking about certain players who don't even play being all pros while lambasting myself and a few others who could see what this team really was from the outset. I generously thought we were a .500 type roster, but even I overshot that one by the looks of things.
If the Vikings really wanted to fix this.. they'd end the Kwesi analytics experiment THIS OFFSEASON and hire a GM with actual personnel and scouting experience to oversee the next phase. I have zero faith in analytics as a barometer in identifying talent, the "competitive rebuild" or the allocation of salary dollars under this guy. It won't happen because the Wilfs are idiots at making football decisions, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen..
This was a 13 win team last year and the leadership was just put in place and havent had time to build it, but weve had this conversation already.
A clock is right twice a day.
You can't build a team when the braintrust doesn't know what they are doing on draft day or in free agency, and you have ownership pushing "competitive" mandates. It's a two pronged recipe for disaster and the results are what we've seen so far
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ Bullazin said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ pattersaur said:
We just aren’t that good this year. Even though many of us are long suffering fans, there’s been many years— including just last season tbh— where you could squint and maybe picture something magical. From everything the team has shown to this point, the ceiling seems to be mediocrity. Even as Vikings fans, that’s worse than what we’re accustomed to and it stinks.
Kirk is playing very well but it’s pretty clear this roster needs wholesale changes that should’ve been made years ago. The upcoming offseason might finally be the time the team starts that process.
You sure don't hear a lot from "the squad" on here who was pumping this team up all offseason and talking about certain players who don't even play being all pros while lambasting myself and a few others who could see what this team really was from the outset. I generously thought we were a .500 type roster, but even I overshot that one by the looks of things.
If the Vikings really wanted to fix this.. they'd end the Kwesi analytics experiment THIS OFFSEASON and hire a GM with actual personnel and scouting experience to oversee the next phase. I have zero faith in analytics as a barometer in identifying talent, the "competitive rebuild" or the allocation of salary dollars under this guy. It won't happen because the Wilfs are idiots at making football decisions, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen..
This was a 13 win team last year and the leadership was just put in place and havent had time to build it, but weve had this conversation already.
A clock is right twice a day.
You can't build a team when the braintrust doesn't know what they are doing on draft day or in free agency, and you have ownership pushing "competitive" mandates. It's a two pronged recipe for disaster and the results are what we've seen so far
I agree with your first sentence 100%, But to say we can evaluate KAM/KOC as a failure already just feels like video game thinking.
Quote: @Bullazin said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Bullazin said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ pattersaur said:
We just aren’t that good this year. Even though many of us are long suffering fans, there’s been many years— including just last season tbh— where you could squint and maybe picture something magical. From everything the team has shown to this point, the ceiling seems to be mediocrity. Even as Vikings fans, that’s worse than what we’re accustomed to and it stinks.
Kirk is playing very well but it’s pretty clear this roster needs wholesale changes that should’ve been made years ago. The upcoming offseason might finally be the time the team starts that process.
You sure don't hear a lot from "the squad" on here who was pumping this team up all offseason and talking about certain players who don't even play being all pros while lambasting myself and a few others who could see what this team really was from the outset. I generously thought we were a .500 type roster, but even I overshot that one by the looks of things.
If the Vikings really wanted to fix this.. they'd end the Kwesi analytics experiment THIS OFFSEASON and hire a GM with actual personnel and scouting experience to oversee the next phase. I have zero faith in analytics as a barometer in identifying talent, the "competitive rebuild" or the allocation of salary dollars under this guy. It won't happen because the Wilfs are idiots at making football decisions, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen..
This was a 13 win team last year and the leadership was just put in place and havent had time to build it, but weve had this conversation already.
A clock is right twice a day.
You can't build a team when the braintrust doesn't know what they are doing on draft day or in free agency, and you have ownership pushing "competitive" mandates. It's a two pronged recipe for disaster and the results are what we've seen so far
I agree with your first sentence 100%, But to say we can evaluate KAM/KOC as a failure already just feels like video game thinking.
It's not when you pay attention to personnel decisions. The Wilfs rolled the dice on an outside the box hire with zero personnel or scouting experience. They didn't hire the person with the best resume and were more interested in checking a political box (the finalists after Poles pulled out were Kwesi and the female from Philly) then hiring the best candidate. So far that move has not paid off and has resulted in poor draft decisions, bizarre free agent signings, and a "competitive rebuild" that is anything but.
I equate it to the old "just rip the bandaid off" adage. Like drafting a quarterback that clearly isn't working out and doesn't have it. Take the egg on the face and move on. It's what the Wilfs should do, but wont...
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ Bullazin said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Bullazin said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ pattersaur said:
We just aren’t that good this year. Even though many of us are long suffering fans, there’s been many years— including just last season tbh— where you could squint and maybe picture something magical. From everything the team has shown to this point, the ceiling seems to be mediocrity. Even as Vikings fans, that’s worse than what we’re accustomed to and it stinks.
Kirk is playing very well but it’s pretty clear this roster needs wholesale changes that should’ve been made years ago. The upcoming offseason might finally be the time the team starts that process.
You sure don't hear a lot from "the squad" on here who was pumping this team up all offseason and talking about certain players who don't even play being all pros while lambasting myself and a few others who could see what this team really was from the outset. I generously thought we were a .500 type roster, but even I overshot that one by the looks of things.
If the Vikings really wanted to fix this.. they'd end the Kwesi analytics experiment THIS OFFSEASON and hire a GM with actual personnel and scouting experience to oversee the next phase. I have zero faith in analytics as a barometer in identifying talent, the "competitive rebuild" or the allocation of salary dollars under this guy. It won't happen because the Wilfs are idiots at making football decisions, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen..
This was a 13 win team last year and the leadership was just put in place and havent had time to build it, but weve had this conversation already.
A clock is right twice a day.
You can't build a team when the braintrust doesn't know what they are doing on draft day or in free agency, and you have ownership pushing "competitive" mandates. It's a two pronged recipe for disaster and the results are what we've seen so far
I agree with your first sentence 100%, But to say we can evaluate KAM/KOC as a failure already just feels like video game thinking.
It's not when you pay attention to personnel decisions. The Wilfs rolled the dice on an outside the box hire with zero personnel or scouting experience. They didn't hire the person with the best resume and were more interested in checking a political box (the finalists after Poles pulled out were Kwesi and the female from Philly) then hiring the best candidate. So far that move has not paid off and has resulted in poor draft decisions, bizarre free agent signings, and a "competitive rebuild" that is anything but.
I equate it to the old "just rip the bandaid off" adage. Like drafting a quarterback that clearly isn't working out and doesn't have it. Take the egg on the face and move on. It's what the Wilfs should do, but wont...
The Wilfs won't get out of their own way. If we fall to 1-4, we should be open for business and move as many of our assets as we can. I just don't trust that the Wilfs will allow it and the trade deadline will have come and gone. We will scratch and claw enough wins to put us outside of the top QB's in the draft. I don't want to get stuck with another Matt Jones or Christian Ponder but that is my fear.
Quote: @TBro said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Bullazin said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Bullazin said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ pattersaur said:
We just aren’t that good this year. Even though many of us are long suffering fans, there’s been many years— including just last season tbh— where you could squint and maybe picture something magical. From everything the team has shown to this point, the ceiling seems to be mediocrity. Even as Vikings fans, that’s worse than what we’re accustomed to and it stinks.
Kirk is playing very well but it’s pretty clear this roster needs wholesale changes that should’ve been made years ago. The upcoming offseason might finally be the time the team starts that process.
You sure don't hear a lot from "the squad" on here who was pumping this team up all offseason and talking about certain players who don't even play being all pros while lambasting myself and a few others who could see what this team really was from the outset. I generously thought we were a .500 type roster, but even I overshot that one by the looks of things.
If the Vikings really wanted to fix this.. they'd end the Kwesi analytics experiment THIS OFFSEASON and hire a GM with actual personnel and scouting experience to oversee the next phase. I have zero faith in analytics as a barometer in identifying talent, the "competitive rebuild" or the allocation of salary dollars under this guy. It won't happen because the Wilfs are idiots at making football decisions, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen..
This was a 13 win team last year and the leadership was just put in place and havent had time to build it, but weve had this conversation already.
A clock is right twice a day.
You can't build a team when the braintrust doesn't know what they are doing on draft day or in free agency, and you have ownership pushing "competitive" mandates. It's a two pronged recipe for disaster and the results are what we've seen so far
I agree with your first sentence 100%, But to say we can evaluate KAM/KOC as a failure already just feels like video game thinking.
It's not when you pay attention to personnel decisions. The Wilfs rolled the dice on an outside the box hire with zero personnel or scouting experience. They didn't hire the person with the best resume and were more interested in checking a political box (the finalists after Poles pulled out were Kwesi and the female from Philly) then hiring the best candidate. So far that move has not paid off and has resulted in poor draft decisions, bizarre free agent signings, and a "competitive rebuild" that is anything but.
I equate it to the old "just rip the bandaid off" adage. Like drafting a quarterback that clearly isn't working out and doesn't have it. Take the egg on the face and move on. It's what the Wilfs should do, but wont...
The Wilfs won't get out of their own way. If we fall to 1-4, we should be open for business and move as many of our assets as we can. I just don't trust that the Wilfs will allow it and the trade deadline will have come and gone. We will scratch and claw enough wins to put us outside of the top QB's in the draft. I don't want to get stuck with another Matt Jones or Christian Ponder but that is my fear.
I agree. You have to figure we lose against the Chiefs and 49ers. We have a Bears team stuffed in between there that is going to be hungry to win and we almost never play well at Chicago regardless of records. It's going to be a very interesting next few weeks. We go 0-3 and you'd hope at that point the Wilfs raise the white flag and start making some sensible football decisions
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