Quote: @greediron said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ greediron said:
Sloter was a good investment. A few 100 thousand to find out if the between the ears matched the physical measurables. He was given a chance and obviously the raw just turned warm and mushy rather that properly cooking. It was only the fans that got bent out of shape about him, but that is normal. Backup QB is always popular when things go wrong, unless your name is Mannion.
So yes, keep investing. If a good one falls like Teddy did, jump on it. If not, take some mid round shots. The investment cost determines how long you try to develop.
Excellent point, Greed. I still maintain that Rodgers had the biggest break by 1) going to a team not needing a QB and 2) holding a clipboard for 2 years behind Favre. Had he been thrown to the wolves like so many QB's going to these days, he may have been the Akili Smith of 2005. 
Wasn't that 4 years?
He was going into his final year when GB forced Farve to put up or shut up.
Technically, he was backup 2005 (draft year) through 2007. Favre "retired" March 4, 2008. In 2008, Rodgers' first full season with the team, the Packers finished with a 6–10 record and missed the playoffs.
Quote: @PSBLAKE said:
I agree the Oline needs an upgrade. But the remaining teams in the championship games do not have perfect lines either. it seems on offense we just cannot adjust and hide our weaknesses when we are up against good competition.
GB, Tennessee and KC have significantly higher graded Lines than Minnesota. And San Francisco isn't far behind them with a no-name interior. The OZBS helps the 9ers. But they don't have world-beaters at OG or C. Or really LT since he's getting long in the tooth.
That's why I've been preaching that modest upgrades will make a dramatic improvement. Elf is terrible. Put a Kline-level Player in his place, which you can easily get in the Draft, and the difference will be the same as when Kline replaced Remmers.
Jason Peters will be 38 but just graded as a Top 3 LT. Sign him and draft Becton from Louisville to play LG and replace Peters when Father Time finally tracks him down. As long as Bradbury improves you have a Line comparable to the 9ers, which combines with the OZBS will do Kirk and Dalvin wonders.
Let us not forget in this playoff run if Kyle Sloter had been on the bench thoughout the post season this team would have been much tougher both mentally and physically. LOL
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ greediron said:
No matter what, you have to draft for the future.
If we could eliminate Cousin's turtle plays, I think we would all be very happy with our QB.
I agree we need to develop a QB, but the age old questions are "which one?" and "how long do you develop?" Many thought Sloter could be that guy. Next.
Check out http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldra...e=position to see just how many QB's have been drafted since 1936, rounds 1 through 7. It's stunning. Just since 2010 there have been 118 QB's drafted...and that doesn't include FA's or trades. Minnesota has drafted 6 which, by comparison, matches Cleveland and more than Jacksonville's 5. Green Bay...2.
Some teams seem to draft a QB every 2 years. Is that the "development curve"...show us what you got in 2 years or hit the bricks? If so, then gauging QB talent at the college level and extrapolating that to the pros sounds about as easy as guessing Powerball winning numbers.
Sloter was a good investment. A few 100 thousand to find out if the between the ears matched the physical measurables. He was given a chance and obviously the raw just turned warm and mushy rather that properly cooking. It was only the fans that got bent out of shape about him, but that is normal. Backup QB is always popular when things go wrong, unless your name is Mannion.
So yes, keep investing. If a good one falls like Teddy did, jump on it. If not, take some mid round shots. The investment cost determines how long you try to develop.
Mannion was kept over Sloter for a few reasons (experience obviously one of them), but the prevailing wisdom was that they didn't think Sloter would be as helpful to Kirk as the sideline and QB-room "co-pilot."
Biggest complaint about Rick is the backup QB. He has not developed that position at all. Maybe this is on the coaches as well, but always has had a guy that wasn't going to challenge the starter. Remember we had Shaun Hill backing up Teddy, which forced a trade for Bradford. Case was decent, but not really a long term solution, more like a younger Shaun Hill. Sloter was an effort to develop , but still we had Mannion as the backup.
Kirk is a robot. Mike wants a robot. Sloter was not a robot. Mannion is a robot. Case was not a robot...see a trend?
Kirk is not a winner. His best ever year was only good enough for 10-6, 2-4 in division. The 2nd part of that is not getting you to the Super Bowl.
Easiest route to a championship is through winning your division and getting a bye week.
The bad Kirk weeks took us right out of that possibility.
The best Kirk is was not and likely never will be good enough when needed most.
Lastly Kirk is not worth $30 million a year. Nobody who is only good enough to win if everything is good around him is worth that kinda money.
Bad return on investment.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
Lastly Kirk is not worth $30 million a year. Nobody who is only good enough to win if everything is good around him is worth that kinda money.
Bad return on investment.
I agree. HIs script has to go perfect for him to win.
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