03-06-2019, 02:14 PM
I don't know if it will spark much conversation... but here goes: listing the number of pro-bowls that a player has been to- as a way of measuring their "greatness"- is the stupidest thing ever.
First of all, pro-bowls are like homecoming courts: it is a popularity contest. Just because Dylan was voted homecoming king 3 times... that doesn't mean Dylan is a great student, athlete or performer. It just means he's popular. That's all the pro-bowl is: a popularity contest.
Second of all, there are always a ton of players that get named to the pro-bowl... who refuse to go. So then a whole bunch more players get named as replacements. Are they considered "pro-bowlers", too? Pro Football Reference listed Teddy as being a "pro-bowler" in 2015. So the answer is "yes": being a replacement pro-bowler means that you are considered a "pro-bowler" (even if you clearly- in the case of Teddy- would not be considered "elite"). By the way, let's not turn this into a pro / anti Teddy thread. I loved the guy. I spent good money on one of his jerseys (something I rarely do). I loved the guy; but he wasn't anywhere near elite. He might have been... someday. But that's all we have with him: what might have been.
Finally, the fans vote. This is probably an extension of point #1... but the fact that fans (who- for the most part- don't know much about football) get to play a major role in selecting pro-bowlers... goes to show just how silly this "honor" is (along with All-Star voting in baseball).
The only "honors" that should matter in measuring a football player are stats (assuming they play a position that has meaningful stats attached to is) and their all-pro designations.
I heard the talking heads today: discussing what a travesty it was that Landon Collins got released. After all, he's been to three pro bowls! That's what set me off. I don't know if Collins is great or not. But I know that simply saying he went to 3 pro bowls (as a NY player) didn't mean anything.
First of all, pro-bowls are like homecoming courts: it is a popularity contest. Just because Dylan was voted homecoming king 3 times... that doesn't mean Dylan is a great student, athlete or performer. It just means he's popular. That's all the pro-bowl is: a popularity contest.
Second of all, there are always a ton of players that get named to the pro-bowl... who refuse to go. So then a whole bunch more players get named as replacements. Are they considered "pro-bowlers", too? Pro Football Reference listed Teddy as being a "pro-bowler" in 2015. So the answer is "yes": being a replacement pro-bowler means that you are considered a "pro-bowler" (even if you clearly- in the case of Teddy- would not be considered "elite"). By the way, let's not turn this into a pro / anti Teddy thread. I loved the guy. I spent good money on one of his jerseys (something I rarely do). I loved the guy; but he wasn't anywhere near elite. He might have been... someday. But that's all we have with him: what might have been.
Finally, the fans vote. This is probably an extension of point #1... but the fact that fans (who- for the most part- don't know much about football) get to play a major role in selecting pro-bowlers... goes to show just how silly this "honor" is (along with All-Star voting in baseball).
The only "honors" that should matter in measuring a football player are stats (assuming they play a position that has meaningful stats attached to is) and their all-pro designations.
I heard the talking heads today: discussing what a travesty it was that Landon Collins got released. After all, he's been to three pro bowls! That's what set me off. I don't know if Collins is great or not. But I know that simply saying he went to 3 pro bowls (as a NY player) didn't mean anything.