ICE Raids in Cali

[JimmyinSD]

Ok,  the whole should they be here thing is a different debate,  but I have to wonder why the hell the oakland mayor isnt in deep shit for alerting the public of the ICE raid.  I dont care if they want to be a sanctuary city (which IMO is bullshit because they arent screening who they are protecting and they are not ensuring that they dont leave their city)  but the fact that she obstructed a federal operation.  it could be argued that she put those ICE officers in more danger because those getting raided would be more prepared for any uninvited guests,  but just the fact that that it pisses away tax dollars that went into organizing and executing the operation.  At the very least the feds should be suing the city of Oakland for part of the costs of the operation.   If we dont like the laws we need to change the laws,  but to illegally hinder enforcement of the laws or to ignore the laws shouldnt be over looked.

[Guest]

Your 'senses' were right on, JSD. 

I'm a YUGE believer in Federalism (State's rights) http://www.pbs.org/tpt/constitution-usa-...te-powers/

That said, the federal govt. has plenary power(s) regarding "national issues" such as nation/border/federal issues...  immigration. 
The last time a State (Arizona) challenged the Feds... it lost.  (Altho, I agreed with what Arizona was trying to do... enforce federal immigration law, I further agreed Arizona had  no standing). 

Immigration is a federal/national issue.  Sessions is on solid ground with his lawsuit.   No brainer.     

California's contentions that immigration is a State's rights issue, is a sure loser in the Courts.  

[Guest]

Immigration is a state's right issue, but abortion isn't?

[Guest]

@"A1Janitor" said:
Immigration is a state's right issue, but abortion isn't?

only some of tge illegals are murderers. all of the abortion folks are.

[Guest]

@"A1Janitor" said:
Immigration is a state's right issue, but abortion isn't?

Great point.  

I submit, we go down that constitutional path.  

There is (SCOTUS) judicial precedent that the federal govt. has plenary power re: immigration.  (US vs Arizona). 

However, Roe v Wade (SCOTUS - 'law of the land') never mentioned federalism (state's rights).  But... it's implicit.  

"While it's unlikely that the Founding Fathers anticipated the abortion debate, they did give us a framework around which to govern on issues just like it — highly emotional, high-stakes issues that go to the core of one's personal values and beliefs. They rightly recognized that the federal government is far too unwieldy and clumsy to deal with such delicate matters. These issues are best legislated by the states — or, better, by cities or counties. We can then choose to live under laws that most reflect our values. We vote with our feet.Line-drawing is a police power. And the Constitution's framers correctly concluded that police powers ought to be reserved for the states, not the federal government (note: several more recent Supreme Court justices seem, sadly, to disagree). The best solution to the abortion debate, then, isn't Roe, which even many abortion-rights advocates will concede is bad law. But it isn't a pro-life amendment or a federal ban on abortion, either.
The best solution is robust federalism. Forgo Roe, and let each state set its own policies on abortion. Those for whom abortion is an important fundamental right can live in areas where abortions are widely available. Those adamantly opposed to any and all abortions can live in jurisdictions that ban the procedure. People like me could live in communities where our tax dollars won't be funding abortions." (link)There is 'plenary' power reserved to the federal government in the Constitution re: immigration.  (article 1, section 8, clause 4)No such Constitutional  power is reserved to the federal government (or Judiciary) reserved on the issue of abortion.

Dems really don't wanna go down this road, on immigration.  They'll fold like a cheap tent, once the issue is appealed out of California Circus Courts, and they realize the ramifications.