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[Chuckf]

I agree that they "think" they have a playoff caliber roster, but I disagree that they actually do.  I look at the following teams to be playoff contenders and I find it hard to find the Vikings ultimately beating them out, injuries aside:

East:
Philadelphia

North:
Detroit
Green Bay
Chicago

West:
Rams
Seahawks
9ers

South:
Someone has to make it

Thats 8 teams.  I guess you could debate on the North Teams, but Detroit has a 4th place schedule, Chicago won the division and won their 1st round playoff game (Something KOC has yet to do) and Green Bay always seems to be in the middle of it.

I would speculate a 10-7 season at best for the Vikings and that's IF Murray stay healthy and even if they make the playoffs it's another 1st round exit.  This is all the same happy horseshit they have been feeding us for years...

The Vikings injury riddled team last year without an NFL caliber QB was ONE kickoff return failure from going 10-7 winning the Division.  Adding in Kyler Murray, another offseason for JJ, dumping overpriced below average players in Hargrave and Allen doesn't seem to say to me this team cannot compete for the division.    I do agree with the one and done playoff scenario but hasn't that been happening mostly since 1987?

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We’ve fired 2/3 our Dline, are threatening to trade our best defensive player, and probably are losing a HOF caliber safety to retirement, so we got excuses lined up if we do take a step back, but in general I trust Flores to make midlevel talent into a top tier defense.

2/3 of our Dline got blown off the ball repeatedly last year.   Go watch the Falcons game.  Embarrasing.

[purplefaithful]

 I trust Flores to make midlevel talent into a top tier defense.

Me too...

He's twisted my brain inside/out when it comes to Db's and (for the most part) what he's done with the talent he's had. 

Anyone want to bet he's the next HC if something goes really south with KOC?

Checks a lot of boxes.

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The Vikings injury riddled team last year without an NFL caliber QB was ONE kickoff return failure from going 10-7 winning the Division.  Adding in Kyler Murray, another offseason for JJ, dumping overpriced below average players in Hargrave and Allen doesn't seem to say to me this team cannot compete for the division.    I do agree with the one and done playoff scenario but hasn't that been happening mostly since 1987?

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2/3 of our Dline got blown off the ball repeatedly last year.   Go watch the Falcons game.  Embarrasing.

Letting Philips go was a bad move imo while getting IPJ out of the starting line-up helped overall. 

But yah, this team won 9 games with probably the worst QB'ing in the NFC....Maybe in the NFL

3rd place schedule? Better QB'ing? A healthier Darrisaw? 

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What are the Vikings doing? They're planning a run at the playoffs while resuscitating their financial outlook and adjusting, for at least one year, a quarterback plan that went awry.

I forget which poster put this out there a few nights ago, but it could be spot on...And that is the Vikings are getting the books more in order to pay a QB $50mm in the next year or two. 

Whether that be KM in 27 or JJ in 28 (or someone else all together) they are going to have some big QB salary on the books to manage. 

[Vikesrock]

Me too...

He's twisted my brain inside/out when it comes to Db's and (for the most part) what he's done with the talent he's had. 

Anyone want to bet he's the next HC if something goes really south with KOC?

Checks a lot of boxes.

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Letting Philips go was a bad move imo while getting IPJ out of the starting line-up helped overall. 

But yah, this team won 9 games with probably the worst QB'ing in the NFC....Maybe in the NFL

3rd place schedule? Better QB'ing? A healthier Darrisaw? 

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What are the Vikings doing? They're planning a run at the playoffs while resuscitating their financial outlook and adjusting, for at least one year, a quarterback plan that went awry.

I forget which poster put this out there a few nights ago, but it could be spot on...And that is the Vikings are getting the books more in order to pay a QB $50mm in the next year or two. 

Whether that be KM in 27 or JJ in 28 (or someone else all together) they are going to have some big QB salary on the books to manage. 

  Sorry, but I disagree; 3 of the last 4 games of the season, including a game against a playoff hopeful Dallas team, McCarthy had a very respectable QBR.  I think we all saw that he was improving.  Regardless, I just don't think Kyler Murray moves the needle that much.  

Beyond what is happening with McCarthy right now, we have seen this song and dance before.  Most recently with Kirk Cousins.  Bring in a QB that should "move" you to the next level...I am 52 years old, I have never seen the Vikings play in a Super Bowl.

Maybe I am wrong and suddenly the same process we have seen play out forever is different this time?  I am just tired of getting built up with excitement only to get kicked in the proverbial nards once again.

[medaille]

The Vikings injury riddled team last year without an NFL caliber QB was ONE kickoff return failure from going 10-7 winning the Division.  Adding in Kyler Murray, another offseason for JJ, dumping overpriced below average players in Hargrave and Allen doesn't seem to say to me this team cannot compete for the division.    I do agree with the one and done playoff scenario but hasn't that been happening mostly since 1987?

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2/3 of our Dline got blown off the ball repeatedly last year.   Go watch the Falcons game.  Embarrasing.

The defense carried the team. Can the defense carry the team if they don't replace the players they lost?

No matter how you want to grade the players, we’re losing Allen that played 76% of our snaps, Hargrave that played 50% of our snaps, and with Greenard (52% of snaps) and Smith (74% of snaps) also being likely gone, we’re losing a decent chunk of the players that played for our defense.  You have to replace them with bodies for sure, but it’s definitely a risk to think that the backups can just take over the starting roles or that rookies will hit the ground running at all those positions.

No matter what we think of Allen and Hargrave, does anyone really want LDR and TID to be starting?  Can we put out a functional defense with Mettelus, Jackson and Ward as our Safeties, when the safeties are the glue that holds our defense together?

To me, if we’re starting those guys on defense, what’s even the point in starting Kyler, get JJM more reps if we’re just skipping the season.

[greediron]

We’ve fired 2/3 our Dline, are threatening to trade our best defensive player, and probably are losing a HOF caliber safety to retirement, so we got excuses lined up if we do take a step back, but in general I trust Flores to make midlevel talent into a top tier defense.

Signed a new DB so we have 3 legit starters now.  Got rid of dead weight malcontents on the D Line.  and Van Ginkel isn't going anywhere.