Geoff Nichols Vikings Mock Draft 4.0

10 days out from the draft every NFL teams front office is locked in and finalizing their draft plans. Teams are also calling around the league and gauging value for potential trades up and down the draft board. From what I’ve heard teams like the depth this draft has to offer over the top 40-50 prospects or so. This can create a buyers market and decrease costs to move up the board. In this mock the Vikings try to take advantage of this by acquiring a first round pick, something I believe is somewhat likely come draft day.

1(31) *via ATL – Cam Robinson (RG/RT Alabama): The Vikings make a move up the board with ATL to acquire a late 1st round pick and 5th round selection #174. In return the Vikings trade away their 2nd round pick and first third round pick #79. The Vikings are committed to winning in the run game and pushing defensive lineman around the line of scrimmage. Cam Robinson player on the left side in Alabama’s run first attack but projects to the right side in the NFL. He wins with power and a strong punch at the line and has the light feet to get to the second level. Initially Robinson can play RG with the ability to slide out to RT if either Reiff or Remmers were to suffer an injury. In time he should be able to compete at RT with the potential to still move back to the left side if he develops to his ceiling.

2(48) – Traded to ATL for 1(31) & 3(79)

3(79) – Traded to ATL for 1(31) & 3(79)

3(86) *via MIA – Jalen Myrick (CB Minnesota): Another DB is not one of the Vikings top priority, but the teams needs security into the future. The goal is for Mackenzie Alexander to develop into the #3 DB but secluding him to the slot may not be the teams best development tactic. Drafting Myrick allows the coaching staff to rotate Alexander into the slot as needed but also rotate him on the outside with Trae Waynes / Terence Newman. Assuming this is Newman’s last season it is important to have a developed and cost controllable secondary and taking a corner early would do that. Myrick is a long (not tall) and quick DB who play tight coverage all over the field. His ball skills are average and he has a good feel for playing downhill against the run. Mike Zimmer made a trip over to the U of M recently to take in an on-field workout which would support there is some mutual interest there. There is also added value in Myrick’s ability to return kicks with Patterson’s departure.

4(121) – George Kittle (TE Iowa): In a deep TE class being able to grab a multi-functional talent like Kittle in the mid-4th is great value. Behind Kyle Rudolph there is no real receiving threat. Not only is depth an issue, but is prevents using your TE’s creatively across the formation. On a team that wants to funnel offense through the ground game, TE’s are invaluable. Kittle is a willing and tenacious blocker inside the formation on tape he is shown clearing out lineman, linebackers, and defensive backs. In the receiving game Kittle can work down the seam and curl at the marker to move the chains. Having a player who can play inside the formation immediately gives the Vikings an improved blocker at TE but more importantly allows Shumur to move Rudolph around the field to create matchup issues for opponents.

4(129) – Samaje Perine (RB Oklahoma): Similar to the depth at TE being able to grab a potential 3-down back in the middle rounds is great value. Perine is more of a power player who excels and running downhill with proper pad level and good balance. He isn’t a burner in the open field but is slippery in the sense that he can’t be brought down with arm tackles and smaller DB’s have issue breaking him down in the open field. Jerrick McKinnon and Latavius Murray will be the main players in the backfield this upcoming season, but Perine can take carrier here or there and can develop into a bell cow back.

5(160) – Tanzel Smart (DT Tulsa): I wouldn’t be so fast to say that Sharrif Floyd’s career is over but a potential return does push a 3-tech down the board unless a great value can be found earlier. Smart will need time to develop additional pass rushing moves but has the raw first step quickness to get into the backfield and attack the QB. When rotated with a combination of Shamar Stephen and Tom Johnson he would have the opportunity to make an impact in year during clear passing situations. If Floyd were to return in the future he can remain as a rotational piece without feeling like you left a ton of value on the table.

5(174) *via ATL – Elijah Lee (OLB Kansas State): The departure of Chad Greenway doesn’t leave a gaping hole at OLB with Emmanuel Lamur on the roster, but depth is missing. Long-term Lamur is in the last year of his deal and Edmond Robinson is more valuable as depth behind Anthony Barr. Lee is a high effort tackling machine who has the speed to play some coverage if needed but doesn’t project as a nickel LB. Typically the Vikings like freak athletes at linebacker but Lee is solid enough fundamentally that he is worth bucking the trend for.

6(199) – Jon Toth (C Kentucky): Joe Berger is the projected center in 2017 but this is likely his last season as a Viking. Toth is a nice developmental center but isn’t ready to make an impact immediately. Nick Easton was able to get some snaps late in the season last year but is not the foregone center of the future. Toth brings in competition to camp and allows Berger to be moving to an OG spot in the case of injury. The Vikings learned first hand how you can never have enough line depth and Toth is a great fit.

7(232) – KD Cannon (Baylor): Baylor receivers get a bad rap with scouts since they don’t run block and walk back to the huddle but that shouldn’t stop Cannon from being drafted. Cannon is a one-trick pony who can pressure defenses down the field vertically. That type of ability can keep him on the roster as he develops into a more well-rounded player. The losses of Johnson and Patterson challenged the Vikings depth at receiver. Going into 2017 Fruechte & Cannon can move into their roster spots.

 

 

 

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19 thoughts on “Geoff Nichols Vikings Mock Draft 4.0

  • Profile photo of MaroonBells
    April 17, 2017 at 4:55 pm
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    Good stuff, Geoff. Always fun to read. 

    I think Cam Robinson is one of the more overrated players in the draft, but only because so many still project him at left tackle. He can’t play there in my opinion. He just doesn’t have the foot speed to hold the edge against the kind of speed he’ll see in the NFL. He could be a lot better on the right, as you suggest, but I think he’s a guard, and probably a pretty good one. I’d like the pick more at 48. 

    I really like Myrick and Kittle, but that seems a little early to me, especially for Myrick.  Been a fan of Perine since I first started watching these guys. He stood out to me as a back whose balance and power would translate well to the NFL. As I did a deeper dive into the backs, I found a dozen other backs I like, too. 4th, 5th, 6th rounders who can feasibly come in and be starters in the NFL. Gallman, Hunt, McNichols, Carson, Clement, Aaron Jones. But then I went back and watched more Perine. Once again, he just stood out. I’d take Fournette ahead of him, obviously. And if the Wilfs sign off on Mixon, I might be tempted to take him in the 2nd round, but right now anyway, those are the only two backs I’d consider ahead of Perine.  

    I think if we take a DT it will be earlier or not at all. Nothing against Smart, but a 5th rounder would have a tough time in the numbers game with Floyd, Johnson, Jones, etc. Like the Lee and Toth picks. Seems every mock I see has Lee going to the Vikings

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  • Profile photo of VikeMike52
    April 17, 2017 at 5:21 pm
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    Thanks Geoff. I’ve seen a few mocks with Robinson falling to the early 2nd round so I think it’s plausible he’s there.  Also thanks for the info on some of the later picks, I’ve seen the names and draft ranges but really had no idea if they fit with the team at all.  I’d be pretty happy if we ended up with Robinson somehow.  Thanks again for the excellent effort. 

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  • Profile photo of JimmyinSD
    April 19, 2017 at 8:39 am
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    If the value of the draft is in interior OL and the bulk of them will be available in the middle rounds,  where we currently have 5 picks… I just dont see the value in trading up for a guy that wont likely fill an overly difficult position to fill,  and adding another pick that is at the back end or even out of the bubble of quality picks.   I would rather stay put and take BPA with those 5 picks and have a few more decent pieces in the puzzle box for Zim and Co. to work with.

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  • Profile photo of Jor-El
    April 19, 2017 at 8:46 am
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    Geoff, another good and stimulating draft, and I appreciate how each of your mocks have proposed varying draft approaches/scenarios for us to consider. Your later picks are all good players we have discussed before, aside from possibly KD Cannon, who I like as a late pick to fill that “nine route” role. The elephant in the room is, obviously, the trade of our top two current picks to get OT Cam Robinson…about which I do have a few comments…

    Trade up for Cam Robinson?? WTF???  

    OK, let me stress that I know these are not necessarily Geoff’s personal wishes but include his knowledge of the Vikings’ priorities and interests, and my responses are not intended as a personal attack. This draft would disappoint me greatly, though I know it could be an approach the Vikings really would take. I just have two concerns:

    1. Wrong time/target to trade up. Yeah, this would show Spielman is emphasizing the offensive line at last, hooray. But isn’t this too little, too late, too expensive for questionable value? Last year, we had more draft picks (more than Spielman thought we needed), and could have moved up 8-10 spots in round 1 to get Taylor Decker or Laremy Tunsil – blue chip prospects for LEFT Tackle. Instead, we doubled down on Kalil and waited around for the worst last WR. Now we have fewer picks but move up 17 slots to get a dubious RT? I’ve been beating the drum for more picks on the OL for years, but they can’t make up for 5 years of not being able to balance team needs by overpaying in this draft.
    2. Wrong guy and position. Is the hope that Robinson gives us Phil Loadholt 2.0? Or maybe just a RG? Geez, everyone is sure worried about fixing RG and RT. But here’s the reality: we already have a good RG on the roster, and his name is Mike Remmers, but he’s playing out of position at RT. We also have a good RT on the roster named Riley Reiff, but he has to play LT. Vikings, just repeat this, chant this, until it sticks: WE NEED A LEFT TACKLE. It has been one of the Vikings‘ biggest needs since 2014. If they trade up to get Ramczyk, Bolles, or even Dawkins, I can get on board because those guys are good prospects for the blindside. Robinson is not.

    I know Robinson’s run blocking probably appeals to some people on the Vikings staff, especially Tony “dent people” Sparano. But…is Brad Childress still running this team? Or did anyone notice that a decade of emphasizing offensive linemen who are run blockers first and pass protectors second did not put any Lombardi trophies in Winter Park? It would be a real waste to spend most of this year’s draft just to acquire Sparano’s wet dream RT, especially if we have a different OL coach next year.

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  • Profile photo of SmashmouthD
    April 19, 2017 at 9:21 am
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    Another interesting scenario, Geoff.  I really appreciate reading your ideas.

    I would oppose trading up that far.  Yes, giving up a 3 & 4 isn’t much to get into the first round.  At least it isn’t as much as previous years.  But it still isn’t worth it, IMO.

    I would be okay giving up nothing more than a 5th to move up, which means likely only 5-10 spots in the second round.  If there is a player that we like that has fallen that far, then it would be worth it.  Like if four QBs go in the first round, there could be some good players available for us in the beginning of Round 2.

    There will be good players for us in the 3rd and 4th round this year — RBs and TEs, and maybe a developmental CB.  

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  • Profile photo of SkolVikings44
    April 19, 2017 at 12:19 pm
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    JimmyinSD said
    If the value of the draft is in interior OL and the bulk of them will be available in the middle rounds,  where we currently have 5 picks… I just dont see the value in trading up for a guy that wont likely fill an overly difficult position to fill,  and adding another pick that is at the back end or even out of the bubble of quality picks.   I would rather stay put and take BPA with those 5 picks and have a few more decent pieces in the puzzle box for Zim and Co. to work with.  

    Jimmy, I completely agree with keeping the picks and go with the strength of the draft. However, I do see the value in Geoff’s scenario. The trade up would be worth it if it produces a player in Cam who can turn into the RT of the future (especially since I don’t think Remmers will be any good). That is the value over a mid round lineman who will only ever be the RG.

    Overall, I want to stay out and get 2 lineman with our first 3 picks. Should get some players to shore up the middle of our line, which has been deficient. I’m an Elflein guy all the way – Guard now and value could be added to Center later/soon.

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  • Profile photo of BrickVike
    April 19, 2017 at 12:50 pm
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    Although I would be ok with 2 OL in this draft I feel they both do not need to be picked early( in rounds 2 and 3). I would like to see one of Dawwkins, Elflien, Feeney, Pocic, D.Johnson picked early. If we can keep Sirles at guard and Clemmings at RT they may develop into quality depth or fringe starters. Moving them around the last couple of years was the worst possible scenario for them to develop. 

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  • Profile photo of JimmyinSD
    April 19, 2017 at 1:11 pm
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    I like that this year is a center and guard draft, we dont have a premium pick to get a top OT so lets fix the inside this year, that allows Remmers, Reiff, and Clemmings to work the outside and not waste reps at other positions.  I like Boone,  but IMO his play last year was only acceptable considering the group he was with,  if we had decent players around him he might be better,  but IMO his deficiencies would be more glaring if the others werent making him look so good.

    I dont know if Clemming will ever amount to much anymore since he has been juggled around as he has,  and as far as the rest… servicable at best at this point with the exception of Sirles… I really liked what I saw from him at Guard… not so much as a T, but definitely as a G he looked every bit the part.

    BrickVike said
    Although I would be ok with 2 OL in this draft I feel they both do not need to be picked early( in rounds 2 and 3). I would like to see one of Dawwkins, Elflien, Feeney, Pocic, D.Johnson picked early. If we can keep Sirles at guard and Clemmings at RT they may develop into quality depth or fringe starters. Moving them around the last couple of years was the worst possible scenario for them to develop.   

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  • Profile photo of AllBS
    April 19, 2017 at 1:45 pm
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    Interesting mock Guru.  I appreciate that you take the time to do them.  That said, I’m not too sure I could make that trade up for Robinson.  I had something all typed up and somehow my post deleted itself when I hit post reply.  So instead of retyping everything, I’m going to state the Cliff Notes version of my thoughts.  I’m kind of outside my comfort zone with this, but here it goes 🙂

    1. I wouldn’t make that trade for Robinson.  If Mixon is still on the board when the Pats come up, I’d be on the phone making that trade though.  Controversial but IMO he’d be worth it.  Just can’t do it for Robinson.  To me Elfein, Pocic and Feeney (in order) would better fill our needs in the 2nd round. We only have 3 players listed as either G/C – Boone, Berger and Easton.  Sirles is the listed as G/T.  All others are listed as T’s.  Our interior depth is extremely thin and that where I’d prefer we put our focus in round 2.   

    2.   Have a question about Morgan.  When we picked him up, it was for his blocking ability.  Then last summer either Zimmer or Norv (can’t remember which) made the comment that he very possibly has the best hands on the team.  We kept him up and let our seam stretching TE (Pruitt) get plucked.  Isn’t it possible that maybe Morgan can be the TE we are looking for?  It just seems like that comment from last summer has been forgotten or is being overlooked.  Maybe because we really haven’t seen it in games yet.  But he’s had a year of seasoning and experience now.  Maybe we can see a big step up from Mr. Man-bun?

    3.  I’d really like to add Chad Hansen to WR grouping.  I just like everything he brings to the table.  Body control, aggressive playing style and great to very good hands.  I don’t know if there is any chance he’s there in the 3rd, but if he is, I want him.  To my eyes he plays much faster than his 40 time.  The only reason he maybe slides into the 3rd is him not having complete mastery of the route tree.  If we can have two aggressive possession YAC WR’s on the field with Diggs, I think he’ll get more 1 on 1’s and can get deep more often.  I’d like to hear your thoughts with him.  We’d still have LT, Wright, IF and MoBo fighting for the final spots.  That’s a decent group of WR’s in my mind.

    4. What about a developmental QB in the 4th?  Either Peterman or Kaya? 

     

    Edit – Regarding Robinson – Can he play LG?  IF he can, that could allow the flexibility to possibly move Boone to the right side and or give us more depth in the LG position if injuries happen.  Our LG depth is extremely slim, so if he could play that position better than the others listed, maybe that makes the trade up more palatable?  Curious on your thoughts.  Thanks!!! 

    5. I’m not a fan of Perine.  To my eyes he lacks the vision and cutting ability of the top RB’s in this class.  It would feel like a bit of a redundant pick with Murray already on the team.  IMO he’s just a bit slipperier than Asiata was/is, but somewhat in the same mold.  Bull in the china shop, power back with ok speed.  Am I wrong?

    6. I’d personally use our 6th round selection on Zane Gonzalez if he’s available.  A strong, accurate and consistent leg can win you games and field position. 

    7.  I’d also use our 7th round pick on special teams.  Either punter or someone who can be a gunner or kickoff return specialist.  IF I wanted more risk to this draft class, I’d maybe consider Chad Kelly here.  I have no idea if he’s got his ego kicked down enough to justify the risk or not.  But talent wise, I can think of worse ways to spend a 7th round pick.   

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  • Profile photo of JimmyinSD
    April 19, 2017 at 2:02 pm
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    AllBS said
    Interesting mock Guru.  I appreciate that you take the time to do them.  That said, I’m not too sure I could make that trade up for Robinson.  I had something all typed up and somehow my post deleted itself when I hit post reply.  So instead of retyping everything, I’m going to state the Cliff Notes version of my thoughts.  I’m kind of outside my comfort zone with this, but here it goes 🙂

    1. I wouldn’t make that trade for Robinson.  If Mixon is still on the board when the Pats come up, I’d be on the phone making that trade though.  Controversial but IMO he’d be worth it.  Just can’t do it for Robinson.  To me Elfein, Pocic and Feeney (in order) would better fill our needs in the 2nd round. We only have 3 players listed as either G/C – Boone, Berger and Easton.  Sirles is the listed as G/T.  All others are listed as T’s.  Our interior depth is extremely thin and that where I’d prefer we put our focus in round 2.   

    2.   Have a question about Morgan.  When we picked him up, it was for his blocking ability.  Then last summer either Zimmer or Norv (can’t remember which) made the comment that he very possibly has the best hands on the team.  We kept him up and let our seam stretching TE (Pruitt) get plucked.  Isn’t it possible that maybe Morgan can be the TE we are looking for?  It just seems like that comment from last summer has been forgotten or is being overlooked.  Maybe because we really haven’t seen it in games yet.  But he’s had a year of seasoning and experience now.  Maybe we can see a big step up from Mr. Man-bun?

    3.  I’d really like to add Chad Hansen to WR grouping.  I just like everything he brings to the table.  Body control, aggressive playing style and great to very good hands.  I don’t know if there is any chance he’s there in the 3rd, but if he is, I want him.  To my eyes he plays much faster than his 40 time.  The only reason he maybe slides into the 3rd is him not having complete mastery of the route tree.  If we can have two aggressive possession YAC WR’s on the field with Diggs, I think he’ll get more 1 on 1’s and can get deep more often.  I’d like to hear your thoughts with him.  We’d still have LT, Wright, IF and MoBo fighting for the final spots.  That’s a decent group of WR’s in my mind.

    4. What about a developmental QB in the 4th?  Either Peterman or Kaya? 

     

    Edit – Regarding Robinson – Can he play LG?  IF he can, that could allow the flexibility to possibly move Boone to the right side and or give us more depth in the LG position if injuries happen.  Our LG depth is extremely slim, so if he could play that position better than the others listed, maybe that makes the trade up more palatable?  Curious on your thoughts.  Thanks!!! 

    5. I’m not a fan of Perine.  To my eyes he lacks the vision and cutting ability of the top RB’s in this class.  It would feel like a bit of a redundant pick with Murray already on the team.  IMO he’s just a bit slipperier than Asiata was/is, but somewhat in the same mold.  Bull in the china shop, power back with ok speed.  Am I wrong?

    6. I’d personally use our 6th round selection on Zane Gonzalez if he’s available.  A strong, accurate and consistent leg can win you games and field position. 

    7.  I’d also use our 7th round pick on special teams.  Either punter or someone who can be a gunner or kickoff return specialist.  IF I wanted more risk to this draft class, I’d maybe consider Chad Kelly here.  I have no idea if he’s got his ego kicked down enough to justify the risk or not.  But talent wise, I can think of worse ways to spend a 7th round pick.     

    Is Gonzalez going to be there in the mid 6th?  I wouldnt be surprised to see him taken in the 5th or even the 4th by a desperate team.

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  • Profile photo of AllBS
    April 19, 2017 at 8:00 pm
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    JimmyinSD said

    Is Gonzalez going to be there in the mid 6th?  I wouldnt be surprised to see him taken in the 5th or even the 4th by a desperate team.  

    That could very well happen.  We used a 5th for Walsh, so I can see it happening for Gonzalez as well.  I think this draft is maybe a bit stronger going into the 5th round than most drafts have been lately.  Maybe that helps push him down a bit, but I’m probably asking for a bit too much with that pick. 

    Honestly, I’m having issues finding the right guy in the 6th and 7th round for us.  Nothing feels right or anything more than “camp body” types.  With our probable need for a kicker/punter this year, I’d lean towards using these last picks there.  Using them for camp body types just irritates me.  Maybe Toth is the right fit for us.  I guess I just expect him to be off the board in the 5th round. 

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  • Profile photo of MaroonBells
    April 20, 2017 at 6:19 am
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    AllBS said

    That could very well happen.  We used a 5th for Walsh, so I can see it happening for Gonzalez as well.  I think this draft is maybe a bit stronger going into the 5th round than most drafts have been lately.  Maybe that helps push him down a bit, but I’m probably asking for a bit too much with that pick. 

    Honestly, I’m having issues finding the right guy in the 6th and 7th round for us.  Nothing feels right or anything more than “camp body” types.  With our probable need for a kicker/punter this year, I’d lean towards using these last picks there.  Using them for camp body types just irritates me.  Maybe Toth is the right fit for us.  I guess I just expect him to be off the board in the 5th round.   

    One scouting service gave Gonzalez the best grade they’ve ever given to a kicker. I don’t think he’ll be there in the 6th. Because of the depth in their position classes, there are going to be a lot of good RBs and TEs pushed into the late rounds. 

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  • Profile photo of minny65
    April 20, 2017 at 9:48 am
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    Geoff,

    Thanks for the 4 edition.  I am not a draft guru at all so grain of salt.  I don’t like the above draft 4.0 at all.

    1 – I would not move up for Cam. I am targeting a guy, who will probably be available, Dawkins from Temple – steal at 48 IMO.

    2 – I would probably not really go corner in this draft.  So many other needs with some real depth like RB/S/TE.

    3 – I think we might go OL with our first 2 picks – Dawkins/D. Johnson and then LB – I am hoping Anzalone is still there – he looks like Zimmer toy and we need LB

    4 – I am thinking of looking at a guy like Josh Malone around our 4th pick – would love your thoughts on him – 6’3 with 4.4 speed.

    5 – So far I have OL, OL, LB, WR and now want Brian Hill from Wyoming whom I have asked you about before. I think he is a steal here.

    6- really like your later round picks in Tanzel Smart (3T) and E Lee a 6’3 LB.

    7 – A couple guys I would be looking at with our later picks 5-7 rounds are: Bucky Hodges from VT at TE, Johnson from BC at Safety as a single high, and Budda Baker at Safety, although he might be long gone by then.  What is your opinion on these 3???

    Thanks! 

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  • Profile photo of minny65
    April 20, 2017 at 10:35 am
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    Oh and what are peoples thoughts on a late flyer on Chad Kelly – QB?  I would pull the trigger on him late…reminds me of wild-child Favre, strong arm risk taker

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  • Profile photo of NFL Draft Guru
    April 20, 2017 at 11:14 pm
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    AllBS said
    Interesting mock Guru.  I appreciate that you take the time to do them.  That said, I’m not too sure I could make that trade up for Robinson.  I had something all typed up and somehow my post deleted itself when I hit post reply.  So instead of retyping everything, I’m going to state the Cliff Notes version of my thoughts.  I’m kind of outside my comfort zone with this, but here it goes 🙂

    1. I wouldn’t make that trade for Robinson.  If Mixon is still on the board when the Pats come up, I’d be on the phone making that trade though.  Controversial but IMO he’d be worth it.  Just can’t do it for Robinson.  To me Elfein, Pocic and Feeney (in order) would better fill our needs in the 2nd round. We only have 3 players listed as either G/C – Boone, Berger and Easton.  Sirles is the listed as G/T.  All others are listed as T’s.  Our interior depth is extremely thin and that where I’d prefer we put our focus in round 2.   

    2.   Have a question about Morgan.  When we picked him up, it was for his blocking ability.  Then last summer either Zimmer or Norv (can’t remember which) made the comment that he very possibly has the best hands on the team.  We kept him up and let our seam stretching TE (Pruitt) get plucked.  Isn’t it possible that maybe Morgan can be the TE we are looking for?  It just seems like that comment from last summer has been forgotten or is being overlooked.  Maybe because we really haven’t seen it in games yet.  But he’s had a year of seasoning and experience now.  Maybe we can see a big step up from Mr. Man-bun?

    3.  I’d really like to add Chad Hansen to WR grouping.  I just like everything he brings to the table.  Body control, aggressive playing style and great to very good hands.  I don’t know if there is any chance he’s there in the 3rd, but if he is, I want him.  To my eyes he plays much faster than his 40 time.  The only reason he maybe slides into the 3rd is him not having complete mastery of the route tree.  If we can have two aggressive possession YAC WR’s on the field with Diggs, I think he’ll get more 1 on 1’s and can get deep more often.  I’d like to hear your thoughts with him.  We’d still have LT, Wright, IF and MoBo fighting for the final spots.  That’s a decent group of WR’s in my mind.

    4. What about a developmental QB in the 4th?  Either Peterman or Kaya? 

     

    Edit – Regarding Robinson – Can he play LG?  IF he can, that could allow the flexibility to possibly move Boone to the right side and or give us more depth in the LG position if injuries happen.  Our LG depth is extremely slim, so if he could play that position better than the others listed, maybe that makes the trade up more palatable?  Curious on your thoughts.  Thanks!!! 

    5. I’m not a fan of Perine.  To my eyes he lacks the vision and cutting ability of the top RB’s in this class.  It would feel like a bit of a redundant pick with Murray already on the team.  IMO he’s just a bit slipperier than Asiata was/is, but somewhat in the same mold.  Bull in the china shop, power back with ok speed.  Am I wrong?

    6. I’d personally use our 6th round selection on Zane Gonzalez if he’s available.  A strong, accurate and consistent leg can win you games and field position. 

    7.  I’d also use our 7th round pick on special teams.  Either punter or someone who can be a gunner or kickoff return specialist.  IF I wanted more risk to this draft class, I’d maybe consider Chad Kelly here.  I have no idea if he’s got his ego kicked down enough to justify the risk or not.  But talent wise, I can think of worse ways to spend a 7th round pick.     

    All good point. 

    1. Robison can play both left and right OG which would make it possible to move Boone to the right side. Do they make that move, its tough to say since there is something said for leaving Boone where he is. From what I was told the O-lineman are going to come off the board quickly in the 20’s – early 2nd so the Vikings may get handcuffed into moving up. I agree interior depth is thin, but grabbing a player who can also bump out to OT if needed has value. I am a big fan of Elflein though and wouldn’t mind adding him. 

    2. Morgan does have a set of hands, but he is very similar to Rhett Ellison. You’re right that both can catch the ball well and I do recall Zimmer saying that last year (good memory). The difference between say Morgan and Kittle is that Morgan doesn’t work as well off the ball down the field. Catching the ball is one thing, but getting separation and working down the field takes a few different traits. Pat Shumur likes to work with two TE’s in 12 personnel grouping and someone more like Martellius Bennett (lines up in the formation but is a receiving threat and average blocker) would be ideal. Morgan would still have a role as a blocker and receiving threat in run-first situations.

    3. I like Chad Hansen as well. The Vikings will definitely look to add another receiver in the draft. Zay Jones just seems like a Shumur guy (this Jordan Matthews) and it would be interesting to see if the Vikings were able to make a play on him. 

    4. The signing of Case Keenum makes a developmental QB less of a need but I could still see them improving on Heinicke if the opportunity presented itself. I don’t see it happening until the 5th through. 

    6. Gonzalez would be a nice grab but he likely go earlier than most think. My guess is that he goes off the board somewhere in the 4th round. 

    7. If you aren’t going to take a specialist, taking a player who can make an impact on special teams is a must. It just increases the chance that your 7th round picks will stick on the roster. 

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    Geoff,

    Thanks for the 4 edition.  I am not a draft guru at all so grain of salt.  I don’t like the above draft 4.0 at all.

    1 – I would not move up for Cam. I am targeting a guy, who will probably be available, Dawkins from Temple – steal at 48 IMO.

    2 – I would probably not really go corner in this draft.  So many other needs with some real depth like RB/S/TE.

    3 – I think we might go OL with our first 2 picks – Dawkins/D. Johnson and then LB – I am hoping Anzalone is still there – he looks like Zimmer toy and we need LB

    4 – I am thinking of looking at a guy like Josh Malone around our 4th pick – would love your thoughts on him – 6’3 with 4.4 speed.

    5 – So far I have OL, OL, LB, WR and now want Brian Hill from Wyoming whom I have asked you about before. I think he is a steal here.

    6- really like your later round picks in Tanzel Smart (3T) and E Lee a 6’3 LB.

    7 – A couple guys I would be looking at with our later picks 5-7 rounds are: Bucky Hodges from VT at TE, Johnson from BC at Safety as a single high, and Budda Baker at Safety, although he might be long gone by then.  What is your opinion on these 3???

    Thanks!   

    1. I don’t believe Dawkins or Feeney will be there at #48. If you want to grab a player out of the 1st pool of offensive lineman you’re going to have to move up. 

    2. Corner isn’t a “must” but you need to take advantage of the drafts depth. You should argue that I should have let the corner market come to the Vikings in the later rounds wink

    3. I like Anzalone but the injury concerns are real. Great player, hard to think he is the one the Vikings would take a chance on at LB. 

    4. I personally am not a fan of Malone but I can see why others would be interested in him. He checks the box as a player who can make plays down the field with some untapped potential. The issue I have with his playing style is that he is a burner but he doesn’t have the quick twitch to get off the line of scrimmage to get seperation. Basically, he has a lot of long speed but I don’t see him developing into much of a threat underneath. There is a place for one-trick ponies, but the Vikings seemingly want their receivers to do more. 

    5. Not a fan of Brian Hill here, I think he can be a productive NFL player though. If the Vikings want to play out of the gun they’d be forcing him to adapt his play style. Not saying he wouldn’t be successful, but there would be more of a transition. 

    7. The more I thought on Bucky Hodges the more I dislike him in the Vikings system, I think he goes later than some project come draft weekend. I like John Johnson but still question how much of an impact he will make in the run game if asked to play both over the top and in the box, he has very good ball skills though. I love Budda Baker and would contemplate taking him in the 2nd if he were still on the board. Although he is small there is a willingness to come down and make tackles. He also is a high IQ player who can pressure the slot and create turnovers. 

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    Leading up to the draft the plan is to offer 5 more items: 

    1 – Mock draft 5.0 – tomorrow (Friday 4/21) 

    2 – Inside the NFL FO draft special podcast (early next week) 

    3 – Potentially an online chat for Q&A 

    4 – Mock 6.0 – Thursday 4/27

    5 – First round mock draft (Thursday 4/27)

    Exciting time are ahead in the next week! 

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    JimmyinSD said

    Is Gonzalez going to be there in the mid 6th?  I wouldnt be surprised to see him taken in the 5th or even the 4th by a desperate team.  

    I think the Tampa Bay debacle with its 2nd round kicker may deter teams till the 6th. Just a hunch.

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    NFL Draft Guru said

    1. I don’t believe Dawkins or Feeney will be there at #48. If you want to grab a player out of the 1st pool of offensive lineman you’re going to have to move up. 

    That would suck if Dawkins, Feeney, Moton etc are all gone by 48.  That said do you really think Cam would fall towards the end of the first?  I don’t think we have enough ammo to move up too far.

    2. Corner isn’t a “must” but you need to take advantage of the drafts depth. You should argue that I should have let the corner market come to the Vikings in the later rounds wink

    Yea, maybe a corner in the later rounds but too many other area’s of need this high – IMO.  I know it is best player available but we have to fine tune the BPA at positions of need and I don’t think CB is very high on the list.

    3. I like Anzalone but the injury concerns are real. Great player, hard to think he is the one the Vikings would take a chance on at LB. 

    I’ll have to catch-up/read-up on his injuries.  But without that he is a early to mid second rounder, correct?  So getting him with one of 3rds?  I guess you already said NO 🙂

    4. I personally am not a fan of Malone but I can see why others would be interested in him. He checks the box as a player who can make plays down the field with some untapped potential. The issue I have with his playing style is that he is a burner but he doesn’t have the quick twitch to get off the line of scrimmage to get seperation. Basically, he has a lot of long speed but I don’t see him developing into much of a threat underneath. There is a place for one-trick ponies, but the Vikings seemingly want their receivers to do more.

    Would you take Malone later in the draft?  Most of the mocks I have seen have him going after the 5th round but he seems to have become Hot and is moving up some boards so that is why I took him here.

    5. Not a fan of Brian Hill here, I think he can be a productive NFL player though. If the Vikings want to play out of the gun they’d be forcing him to adapt his play style. Not saying he wouldn’t be successful, but there would be more of a transition.

    So too high for Hill.  Would you take him in the 5th round.  He is another guy that is all over draft boards.  Most have him in this area but I am now seeing a few that him going as high as the 3rd round – I think it is the Bleacher Report?

    7. The more I thought on Bucky Hodges the more I dislike him in the Vikings system, I think he goes later than some project come draft weekend. I like John Johnson but still question how much of an impact he will make in the run game if asked to play both over the top and in the box, he has very good ball skills though. I love Budda Baker and would contemplate taking him in the 2nd if he were still on the board. Although he is small there is a willingness to come down and make tackles. He also is a high IQ player who can pressure the slot and create turnovers.   

    Yea, Bucky Hodges does have some drops so not the best hands.  I was thinking we were looking for a single high safety to compliment Harry in the box.  So you are saying we are looking for a guy that can play both?  I think Sandejo is average in the box and slightly below average single high.  I have read that Johnson’s strength is playing the ball in single?  Yea, Budda is going much higher, would you take him if available with one of our 4’s?

    Thanks, looking forward to 5.0

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