A Quarterback isn't going to fix this

He's the failure point but let's keep him around is what it sounds like you're saying.

My prediction is that if the failure point remains then so will the failure.

Yah, the offense sucked under Darnold and Kirko...

comet52 wrote:

He's the failure point but let's keep him around is what it sounds like you're saying.
My prediction is that if the failure point remains then so will the failure.

No, I am saying they won't fire him. If I had a couple billion laying around I would buy the team and fire his ass.

purplefaithful wrote:

Yah, the offense sucked under Darnold and Kirko...

Yah, how many playoff wins there did we get?

Clearly KO's system requires a certain type to run it, and clearly he sucks at adapting his system.

So if his system isn't gonna change then unfortunately either he needs to go, or they need to find the unicorn who can actually run the offense. Or the season is over. Some really great options! Clock is ticking.

Vikesrock wrote:

Yah, how many playoff wins there did we get?

True with a but:

Kirko blew his achilles on his way to being an MVP candidate that year. So we'll never know for sure.

I would like to have seen a yr2 under Sammie...Losing Darrisaw and O'Neil right b4 that playoff game vs Rams sucked.

I disagree, I think a QB will fix this. Whether they can get one or not working from a place of such weakness is another thing today....

That D had Josh Allen seeing ghosts for almost 2 quarters. Its unbelievable. Don't waste it.

StickierBuns wrote:

I disagree, I think a QB will fix this. Whether they can get one or not working from a place of such weakness is another thing today....
That D had Josh Allen seeing ghosts for almost 2 quarters. Its unbelievable. Don't waste it.

Completely agree - a decent QB makes this team very (very) dangerous.

Not sure we'll get there this year though. If they were going to trade for a Qb, it would have been b4 today imo.

Like u posted yesterday, what are they waiting for? To see how Wentz does?

I dont think so...

purplefaithful wrote:

Completely agree - a decent QB makes this team very (very) dangerous.
Not sure we'll get there this year though. If they were going to trade for a Qb, it would have been b4 today imo.
Like u posted yesterday, what are they waiting for? To see how Wentz does?
I dont think so...

The problem is when does K1 come back? And how long until he gets injured again? And he'll continue to suck. Its why they have to try today. HAVE TO. Hell, just cut Carson Wentz. Right now.

pattersaur wrote:

Clearly KO's system requires a certain type to run it, and clearly he sucks at adapting his system.
So if his system isn't gonna change then unfortunately either he needs to go, or they need to find the unicorn who can actually run the offense. Or the season is over. Some really great options! Clock is ticking.

This right here. KOC is a fantastic head coach. He needs to bring in a offensive play caller and new philosophy. What we have doesn't work.

For everyone who thinks KO is just a bad coach who can never win a playoff game, I completely disagree. He's a good coach in a bad situation (that he himself caused), and now he's looking for Teasley to provide the golden parachute by acquiring yet another QB for him to try. That's all true and it's a terrible look for KO.

But to be clear: The second we fire KO he'll get hired somewhere else, paired with a unicorn who can run his offense, and have lots of success. Not a doubt in my mind which makes it all the more frustrating things aren't working out here.

Vikesrock wrote:

Yah, how many playoff wins there did we get?

You have to almost have an asterisk next to the Giants playoff loss due to Donatell’s weak ass defense that season. He was immediately canned and Flores was brought in.

I agree about the Rams playoff loss - OL issues caused unrelenting pressure and Sammy played poorly and got sacked a ton. Inability by KOC to adapt to that was/still is a problem.

pattersaur wrote:

For everyone who thinks KO is just a bad coach who can never win a playoff game, I completely disagree. He's a good coach in a bad situation (that he himself caused), and now he's looking for Teasley to provide the golden parachute by acquiring yet another QB for him to try. That's all true and it's a terrible look for KO.
But to be clear: The second we fire KO he'll get hired somewhere else, paired with a unicorn who can run his offense, and have lots of success. Not a doubt in my mind which makes it all the more frustrating things aren't working out here.

Agree. KOC's mistake was going with this QB room.....monumental blunder. I still like him in Minnesota. Just get him a QB, Teasley....one YOU like and tell KOC to make it work. Maybe then it'll happen.

Its not going to happen but Justin Herbert would be someone I'd be stoked about.

StickierBuns wrote:

The problem is when does K1 come back? And how long until he gets injured again? And he'll continue to suck. Its why they have to try today. HAVE TO. Hell, just cut Carson Wentz. Right now.

Oh I'm not saying not to try, but I dont see it happening at all, let alone this late in the process.

purplefaithful wrote:

Oh I'm not saying not to try, but I dont see it happening at all, let alone this late in the process.

I agree with you that trying and it actually happening are two different things.

Magnus1018 wrote:

You have to almost have an asterisk next to the Giants playoff loss due to Donatell’s weak ass defense that season. He was immediately canned and Flores was brought in.
I agree about the Rams playoff loss - OL issues caused unrelenting pressure and Sammy played poorly and got sacked a ton. Inability by KOC to adapt to that was/still is a problem.

I am really just over the excuses. If I had to have that many excuses at my job to get through and "win" I wouldn't be there any more. This is the season to put up or shut up.

I will say this, I was really really high on KOC before the start of the 2025 season. All bought in and ready to go. The absolute travesty of this offense and the handling of the QB room since has caused me to re-evaluate the whole situation. Looking back there was a lot of warts even in the Sammy D offense that were covered up by either Flores, or honestly shit house luck.. Remember the Jacksonville game in 2024?

Might want to consider firing the QB coach for a start.

hogjowlsjohnny wrote:

Might want to consider firing the QB coach for a start.

I think Josh is certainly a candidate for scape goat, I would consider Philips a candidate for the curb too.

I'd like to see KOC relinquish the play-calling duties after this season. He can script some beautiful pass plays to get guys open, but let him have input vs putting the whole plan together.

Vikesrock wrote:

I wrote a small dissertation of how KOC should be on the hot seat just before the season had started. I lined out a few things as to what KOC would need to do to be the 2027 Vikings head coach. The only checkbox I can recall that hasn't been reached is failure to win a playoff game. As of right now, this is not a playoff team. But lets take a deeper dive in to why a QB won't fix this. Lets go all the way back to week 8 of 2023 when Kirk Cousins tore his achilleas. Since that time, the plethora of QB's coming through the turnstile has been many. This offense has failed on many levels since then, including the 2024 Darnold season. Darnold looked serviceable to great until it really mattered. He then melted down. The blame was on everything except where it should of been. The OL was bad, we have no running game, the defense didn't make a stop...blah blah blah. Welp 2025 comes along and it's JJ's team. Except he fails. Sure he gets injured, but he looks unprepared, he looks lost many times. He is wildly inaccurate (Sounding familiar), slow to read, and then injured. Then it's Wince, Brosmer and a missed playoff team, BUT some hope as the Vikings win the last 5. Here comes 2026. JJM is no longer the KOC darling, now he has a new super QB. Mighty Mouse is here to save the day!! Failed again. Well lets run Wince's ass out there to save some semblance of offense, and it is somehow...WORSE!! What in the hell is going on?Listen we can preach about the 5th rounder for JJM, or many other moves, but the one constant remains. This offense fails because it is ill-prepared from the QB out. I am no fan of KM, Wince, or even McCarthy, but the evidence is there that failure on offense is well...consistent. KOC and his staff of goobers are exactly who is tasked to make the engine run. You have some of the best WR's in the world out there, Hockenson is no slouch, and like it or not, but the OL doesn't look terrible, even with the statue and Mighty Mouse back there.Even IF the Vikings were to get Cousins in here, it isn't going to be enough. There are fundamental issues within the offense, and it has very little to do with play calling and schemes and more to do with coaching and preparedness. As long as KOC is standing on the sidelines, this variation will be the results. It has now played out for just over 3 seasons. They aren't going to fire him, but unless he brings in a professional offensive staff, the Vikings will continue to fail, be prepared to see Justin Jefferson, WR1 Kansas City Chiefs.

This is pretty close to my take on the situation, but I think Cousins could come in and be good enough to pair with the defense to be SB caliber.  I think Mullens would be my backup option.  He looked good for a bit, but with TOs. I don't think other QBs would work. KOC's system is just too complex to learn midseason.

I think the big difference has been Udinski leaving.  I think he was a high quality coach who got the whole QB room prepared.  I think none of KOC/Phillips/McCown are really good at preparing a QB for the upcoming week.

One essential thing I think we need to do is bring in a consultant or offensive advisor to the coaching staff to just work through or processes and see if there’s some way to simplify things and focus on the right things.  Is Bruce Arians too old to bring in for a couple months?

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