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Kyler Murray's EPA

MaroonBells
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Check out the chart below. I was shocked when I saw this. There’s obviously a disconnect between Murray’s playing style and what KOC wants to do. Difficulty in reconciling that wasn't hard to predict. But what I personally find baffling is the inaccuracy. He’s frequently late, indecisive and off the mark. But why? It doesn’t make a lot of sense. Historically, Murray has been one of the most accurate passers in NFL history. And he didn't just suddenly become 5-10. Before 2026, Murray’s completion percentage ranked 5th of all time, and that included legit deep passing numbers. Unfortunately, in Minnesota it’s a different story. The “illusion of complexity” is more evident in Murray’s body language than it is in our opponents.

The NFL average for EPA per drop back is roughly .035. How does it make any sense that a QB goes from a team with no supporting cast to a team with a very good one and gets….worse? Unless he’s just not comfortable in the offense yet. I think that’s obvious enough.

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#1 · Nov 3, 8:15 AM
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😂😂

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#2 · Nov 3, 8:17 AM CT
SFVikingFan
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I think it's pretty obvious by this point that KOC is either unwilling or simply unable to mold his offense and play calls to a QBs strengths. He seems only able to work with a very specific type of QB. QB whisperer my ass, it's either his way or the highway.

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#3 · Nov 3, 8:19 AM CT
JustInTime
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Kyler having his worst stretch of football.

McCarthy, through a very small sample size, having his best post KC.

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#4 · Nov 3, 8:22 AM CT
medaille
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Isn't that the question. It's not just Kyler, it's a string of QBs. Like why were Darnold and Cousins and Stafford (if you want to go back that far) able to make it work, but everyone else wasn't (including Goff who by all accounts seems like he should fit the mold)?

I'm also real curious about McCown given he failed hard at Young and McCarthy.

Gut feel is that it's some combination of the scheme being too complicated, requiring the QB to solve too big a puzzle on the field, too different (not what they're comfortable with), and we're bad at installation (which might also be Flores's fault, because his defense looks so different from every other defense that there's no transferrable practice reps).

It seems like reading a defense is a pre-requisite for his offense, but I think he really needs some way of building a QB up from not being able to read a defense first and then adding other benefits on top of that later.

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#5 · Nov 3, 8:27 AM CT
medaille
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SFVikingFan wrote:

I think it's pretty obvious by this point that KOC is either unwilling or simply unable to mold his offense and play calls to a QBs strengths. He seems only able to work with a very specific type of QB. QB whisperer my ass, it's either his way or the highway.

I think he's clearly trying to mold it to Kyler's strengths, by that I mean this offense is clearly different, but it still isn't working.

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#6 · Nov 3, 8:29 AM CT
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medaille wrote:

I think he's clearly trying to mold it to Kyler's strengths, by that I mean this offense is clearly different, but it still isn't working.

What are those again? 🤔

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