Teasley making some front office changes....

StickierBuns wrote:

Always as part of the equation and the process, never the primary.....👍

A tool in in tool chest

JustInTime wrote:

A tool in in tool chest

Yes sir 👊

Like Forness, I am not going to try and defend Grigson...I thought his take was exceptionally well articulated and logical beyond his young years.

I've been in that line calling for Grigson (and Miller) to be cut from the org. But (at this moment) the situation causes me to pause with the rage and vitriol.

Why? Because (like Forness calls out) Teasley would have kicked Grigson to the curb if he wasn't competent and could not contribute going forward.

Grigson is respected in Eagan and co-workers there wont cut a fool any slack. NFL is too competitive and cut-throat for that.

I also find it interesting that with KAM gone (and Grigson there) the Vikings appear to have just had a draft where all 11 of their picks will make the roster.

I'll withhold final judgement till I hear what his new responsibilities are.

MAD GAINZ wrote:

Forness is missing the fact that in his 5 years at GM, the Colts sucked so bad they got the #1 pick and took Andrew Luck in his first draft. Anyone could make that pick.
The only other notable players he picked were TY Hilton and Ryan Kelly. His draft history as a GM looked very similar to Kwesi's drafting skills. They were both bad and these two were in charge of 4 years of Vikings drafts that have been very average to down right horrible.

Don't forget the abysmal Trent Richardson trade thrown in there for good measure.

Latrine scrubber seems like an appropriate new title for Mr Grigson.

StickierBuns wrote:

Yes sir 👊

SAME 16oz STANLEY CLAW HAMMER I HAVE!

😄

JustInTime wrote:

https://twitter.com/reign_vikings/status/2065858195328032805

I like what Teasley is doing so far.

To me, the biggest takeaway from these hires isn't necessarily Healy or Kirchner individually, it's what they say about Teasley's vision for the organization. He's surrounding himself with experienced, accomplished people who bring different strengths to the table.

It speaks volumes that a guy like Kirchner would leave Seattle after spending 13 years working side-by-side with Teasley. People don't make those moves unless they believe in the person they're following. That tells me a lot.

I've said since 1998 that my K-State Wildcats and Vikings seem to run in parallel. K-State just hired Colin Klein as head coach, and one of the first things he did was bring in people he trusts, but more importantly, those who believe in what he's building. I'm seeing a similar approach from Teasley. Different paths, same principle: surround yourself with smart people, empower them, and build something bigger than yourself.

What I especially like about the Healy hire is the balance it creates. Analytics absolutely matter, and Healy is regarded as one of the sharpest minds in that space. But analytics should be a tool in the toolbox, not the final answer. Pairing someone like Healy with an old-school evaluator like Kirchner gives the organization both perspectives.

That's what excites me most. Teasley doesn't appear to be building an echo chamber. He's building a support structure that combines scouting, analytics, football experience, and differing viewpoints so the organization can make the best possible decisions.

Maybe it's offseason optimism, but I really like the direction this is heading. The owners seem aligned, the leadership structure makes sense, and Teasley appears to be putting the right people around him. That's how successful organizations are built.

IceRatz16 wrote:

Maybe it's offseason optimism, but I really like the direction this is heading. The owners seem aligned, the leadership structure makes sense, and Teasley appears to be putting the right people around him. That's how successful organizations are built.

IceRatz16 wrote:

I like what Teasley is doing so far.
To me, the biggest takeaway from these hires isn't necessarily Healy or Kirchner individually, it's what they say about Teasley's vision for the organization. He's surrounding himself with experienced, accomplished people who bring different strengths to the table.
It speaks volumes that a guy like Kirchner would leave Seattle after spending 13 years working side-by-side with Teasley. People don't make those moves unless they believe in the person they're following. That tells me a lot.
I've said since 1998 that my K-State Wildcats and Vikings seem to run in parallel. K-State just hired Colin Klein as head coach, and one of the first things he did was bring in people he trusts, but more importantly, those who believe in what he's building. I'm seeing a similar approach from Teasley. Different paths, same principle: surround yourself with smart people, empower them, and build something bigger than yourself.
What I especially like about the Healy hire is the balance it creates. Analytics absolutely matter, and Healy is regarded as one of the sharpest minds in that space. But analytics should be a tool in the toolbox, not the final answer. Pairing someone like Healy with an old-school evaluator like Kirchner gives the organization both perspectives.
That's what excites me most. Teasley doesn't appear to be building an echo chamber. He's building a support structure that combines scouting, analytics, football experience, and differing viewpoints so the organization can make the best possible decisions.
Maybe it's offseason optimism, but I really like the direction this is heading. The owners seem aligned, the leadership structure makes sense, and Teasley appears to be putting the right people around him. That's how successful organizations are built.

This is how you build an NFL front office. You don't try to re-invent the wheel by hiring those poorly qualified for the position. Old school scouting and talent evaluation is of paramount importance with some analytics mixed in, not the other way around. Teasley is doing it the right way with who he has brought in to work with him. I thank my lucky stars every day that the Wilf's brought in an outside firm to lead this hiring process and to make a recommendation to them because doing it "their way" has been a train wreck. I give the Wilfs a ton of credit in listening to that firm and going with their recommended candidate because just giving the job to Brzez would have been the easy solution. I'm hugely excited to see what Teasley and company do over the upcoming years.

Sounds like a diverse collection of football guys and numbers guys. That's never bad.

Agree with Forness on Grigson. I know people hate him. I just don't know why. If it's because 10 years ago he missed on this guy or missed on that guy, I think everyone would agree that would be ridiculous. Every GM in the NFL has countless bullet holes on his resume. I honestly know nothing about his track record. The players he supported, the players he did not. Does anyone?

For all I know, he was on his knees begging KAM to take Kyle Hamilton at 12 instead of trading down for Cine, but was overruled by the new GM who wanted to build roster depth with more picks. Forness mentions he was instrumental in bringing in Jalen Redmond. He also says "he’s got the respect of the people in the building. He’s very close to the defensive coordinator, Brian Flores.” Is it possible they know a few things we don't?

The big issue that at least I had with Grigson is he was brought in to be the experienced "voice of reason" for the completely unqualified new general manager, when Grigson had an abysmal resume of his own when he was the decision maker in Indy. It's the definition of "the blind leading the blind." I mean, the Wilfs might as well have brought in Matt Millen to fill that role and gotten the same results.

His retainment though in whatever this new role is for him means very little in the grand scheme of things as the big boys are finally in charge and Grigson's input on the draft and personnel decisions is likely slim to none. I honestly think the only reason he was retained is because of the relationships he has in the building and them doing a friend a favor. Like I said, it's whatever at this point as his input on big decisions is likely zilch.

supafreak84 wrote:

The big issue that at least I had with Grigson is he was brought in to be the experienced "voice of reason" for the completely unqualified new general manager, when Grigson had an abysmal resume of his own when he was the decision maker in Indy. It's the definition of "the blind leading the blind." I mean, the Wilfs might as well have brought in Matt Millen to fill that role and gotten the same results.
His retainment though in whatever this new role is for him means very little in the grand scheme of things as the big boys are finally in charge and Grigson's input on the draft and personnel decisions is likely slim to none. I honestly think the only reason he was retained is because of the relationships he has in the building and them doing a friend a favor. Like I said, it's whatever at this point as his input on big decisions is likely zilch.

Do you think it’s possible Grigson has made a few good decisions you’re just not privy to? Like discovering and pushing for the signing of Jalen Redmond? I was not aware of that until yesterday.

I’d say that’s a bit more likely than some oddball narrative where a first-time GM comes on board, with every decision he makes under a microscope, and one of the first things he does is retain a man with an “abysmal resume” as a “favor” to a staff he’s only just met.

We don't know what Grigson actually does or doesn't do in the front office. We have the p.r. narrative that popped recently about how they like him over at TCO, but plenty of guys have gotten public pats on the back then found themselves looking for work not long after, it doesn't mean much.

At Indy he presided over weak drafts and then was here in a prominent personnel job while more weak drafts happened. So I can understand the fanbase narrative that he might be a problem. But we really don't know because the draft process is mostly opaque, so we have to setup straw men to be angry at. Or just blame the g.m. or in this case the now former assistant g.m.

Maybe he'll enjoy his new role, maybe being demoted doesn't bother him, who knows. Or maybe they just don't care to buy out the deal he signed when they re-upped Kwesi and they're hoping he'll just walk at some point.

We know about as much about all of this as we know about what Kevin O'Connell is actually thinking on any given day. Well actually I did use my special abilities and read his mind once during a game. Here's a transcript:

"Hmm 3rd and a half a yard, wonder if we should just handoff and move the chains and...ahh HELL NO, bombs away boys! I *know* that motherfucker Ryan Grigson will appreciate this decision."

MaroonBells wrote:

Do you think it’s possible Grigson has made a few good decisions you’re just not privy to? Like discovering and pushing for the signing of Jalen Redmond? I was not aware of that until yesterday.
I’d say that’s a bit more likely than some oddball narrative where a first-time GM comes on board, with every decision he makes under a microscope, and one of the first things he does is retain a man with an “abysmal resume” as a “favor” to a staff he’s only just met.

Ultimately, Grigson was demoted which is telling. He'll still have a voice at the table, but Teasely overhauling the scouting department and decision makers in the front office doesn't reflect well on our previous GM and assistant GM.

Like Cris Carter once said "Get yourself a fall guy".

MAD GAINZ wrote:

Ultimately, Grigson was demoted which is telling. He'll still have a voice at the table, but Teasely overhauling the scouting department and decision makers in the front office doesn't reflect well on our previous GM and assistant GM.

Jamaal Stephenson pre-dates Spielman.

MaroonBells wrote:

Do you think it’s possible Grigson has made a few good decisions you’re just not privy to? Like discovering and pushing for the signing of Jalen Redmond? I was not aware of that until yesterday.
I’d say that’s a bit more likely than some oddball narrative where a first-time GM comes on board, with every decision he makes under a microscope, and one of the first things he does is retain a man with an “abysmal resume” as a “favor” to a staff he’s only just met.

Maybe, but all we really have to go on is what he did in Indy and what he did here with Kwesi, presiding over some of the worst drafts in memory. He is being demoted, so his retainment and his prior relationship with Teasley certainly makes it look like one guy doing another guy a solid. What the real story is, we'll never know..

supafreak84 wrote:

What the real story is, we'll never know..

No we won't...

Nobody is going to throw anyone under the bus publicly, and I believe thats the way it should be.

I am "slightly" curious as to what Grigson's new role is in the Teasley org.

Maybe Pace will share the kiddy table with Grigson