Anyone think JJ McCarthy...

Doubt that will happen. Hopefully JJ will work that much harder to earn the job.

1VikesFan wrote:
Doubt that will happen. Hopefully JJ will work that much harder to earn the job.

Ditto...JJ has been notified.

Not a chance

I think its a true competition, but assuming Kyler is being handed the job, I don't think it really matters. The Vikings would be stupid to get rid of JJM at this point, no matter how much he wanted it.

Even if he did ask for his release, I don't think it'd get out of the building and even if his agent leaked a rumor, I think you just tell him no, its not happening.

I do not think it even crossed his mind. If you are going to be successful in the NFL you have to be able to accept challenges and overcome them, not run away from them.

Also, it is not like we traded for Joe Burrow. It is a 1 year minimum contract for a guy who has had his own ups and downs in the league. It is not like McCarthy could not possibly beat him out or get an opportunity at some point during the season if Murray does become the starter.

Even if he did/does want out it's much more likely that the Vikings would trade him before the public ever hears loud rumblings from McCarthy's camp I think.

Ope, not gonna happen

CFIAvike wrote:
Asks for his release if we sign Kyler?  I mean it would be a very clear message that we're moving on from him.  Say what you will about a "competition", but Kyler (if signed) will need every rep he can get with the first team to learn a new system, leaving none for McCarthy.  

Can't say I'd blame him

nope,  sends completely the wrong message that as a FA that he would want out there with his resume being as incomplete as it is.  who wants a guy that hasnt stayed healthy,  and is afraid to compete for his job?   and unless sticky has blowing complete smoke up our asses about JJMs inner dog.... this is the kind of  thing that should have Rocky soundtracks playing on constant loop in JJMs head.

as a supporter of JJM,  I hope they sign Murray,  and I hope Murray never sees a live snap.

CFIAvike wrote:
Asks for his release if we sign Kyler?  I mean it would be a very clear message that we're moving on from him.  Say what you will about a "competition", but Kyler (if signed) will need every rep he can get with the first team to learn a new system, leaving none for McCarthy.  

Can't say I'd blame him

Yeah I think it would happen sooner or later.

Guys I just do not see a scenario that leaves room for JJ after signing Kyler. Kyler will dominate first team reps the entire offseason, and this "competition" will fade into getting Kyler ready for the season.

IMO, signing Kyler Murray boils down to....If he's good, they re-sign him long term and go from there. If he's not, you go into next offseason with no head coach, no GM, and no QB.

CFIAvike wrote:
Guys I just do not see a scenario that leaves room for JJ after signing Kyler.  Kyler will dominate first team reps the entire offseason, and this "competition" will fade into getting Kyler ready for the season. 

IMO, signing Kyler Murray boils down to....If he's good, they re-sign him long term and go from there.  If he's not, you go into next offseason with no head coach, no GM, and no QB.

So you are saying that there are no examples in the history of the NFL of someone who was the backup to start the season ever taking over the starting job at some point during the season, just no chance of that ever happening  :cool:

Luckily Randall Cunningham didn't feel that way in 1998.

CFIAvike wrote:
Guys I just do not see a scenario that leaves room for JJ after signing Kyler.  Kyler will dominate first team reps the entire offseason, and this "competition" will fade into getting Kyler ready for the season. 

IMO, signing Kyler Murray boils down to....If he's good, they re-sign him long term and go from there.  If he's not, you go into next offseason with no head coach, no GM, and no QB.

I understand what you are saying, but from a pure technicality perspective, we’re going to have a new GM this offseason so the GM will have most of the year to get acclimated and come up with two plans (run it back, and blow it up) and we’re still going to have JJM for the new HC to evaluate.

Even if Kyler starts the year, he’s most likely going to get injured for some games, if not several.  JJM would start those games, so you’re going to have more tape on him, and probably be a year removed from his meme-worthy antics.

The only reason to move on from JJM after 10 games is if he’s a real ass hat that you no longer want in the building.

JR44 wrote:

So you are saying that there are no examples in the history of the NFL of someone who was the backup to start the season ever taking over the starting job at some point during the season, just no chance of that ever happening  :cool:

Luckily Randall Cunningham didn't feel that way in 1998.

What I’m saying is: in the history of the NFL there has never been a young QB that started for a year, was completely replaced the year after and came back to be a long term starter of his team. E v e r. 

KOC is potentially laying his career at the feet of Kyler Murray

medaille wrote:

I understand what you are saying, but from a pure technicality perspective, we’re going to have a new GM this offseason so the GM will have most of the year to get acclimated and come up with two plans (run it back, and blow it up) and we’re still going to have JJM for the new HC to evaluate.

Even if Kyler starts the year, he’s most likely going to get injured for some games, if not several.  JJM would start those games, so you’re going to have more tape on him, and probably be a year removed from his meme-worthy antics.

The only reason to move on from JJM after 10 games is if he’s a real ass hat that you no longer want in the building.

I honestly believe that if Kyler bombs. We will be going into next season with no QB, no GM and no head coach. 

New GM trades everyone and we start from scratch.

So, Geno Smith makes history!!!  :P

Lets just see if they even sign Murray...

I'm not convinced that even if they do, this is the end of JJM in MN. No need to rehash the why's again here.

Crazy stuff happens in this league and particularly with the Vikings.

I don't see JJM doing that, he wants to prove himself

After fifty plus years of going hungry, we're not a patient bunch by any means, but I trust JJM will get it sorted out. It's just his durability(same with Kyler) that I worry about. Frankly, I don't care if Hitler is taking snaps from Goebbels - I want to see The Vikings win a Lombardi trophy before I die.

Neither can play a full season. I expect Brosmer to start a game or two.

Why does everyone think signing Kyler is an indictment in JJ McCarthy or he'll be the automatic starter?

Yes, Kyler made a few Pro Bowls early in his career, but most recently he's been hurt and hasn't been the same playmaker. Got benched for 6+ games to end this past season.

I get why the Vikings are interested... former highly drafted QB who his former team gave up on (just like Darnold and Daniel Jones) and we need a better backup than Wentz or Brosmer heading into this season.

Let's see what the money looks like IF we sign Kyler before we head down a long road of speculation and misery.

MAD GAINZ wrote:
Why does everyone think signing Kyler is an indictment in JJ McCarthy or he'll be the automatic starter?

I can see the why,  its the same reason those of us that dont want to see JJMs snaps get challenged,  the more snaps the better so if KOC is ready to give those snaps to somebody else he is acknowledging that JJM isnt likely going to be the future of the franchise at the QB position.

Yes, Kyler made a few Pro Bowls early in his career, but most recently he's been hurt and hasn't been the same playmaker.  Got benched for 6+ games to end this past season.

and likely the reason they set him down is they didnt want to risk injury that would prevent them from cutting his underperforming ass this offseason and moving into position to fail for Manning or the rookie QB of their choice.

I get why the Vikings are interested...  former highly drafted QB who his former team gave up on (just like Darnold and Daniel Jones) and we need a better backup than Wentz or Brosmer heading into this season.  those 2 were just under 500 for their combined starts,  pretty much what you would expect for a back up QB not facing a Vikings D

Let's see what the money looks like IF we sign Kyler before we head down a long road of speculation and misery.

isnt the league rules set up so he cant sign a big money deal or it would erase his cardinals guaranteed money ?  pretty much work for peanuts this year on a 1 year deal, or start with a new deal for bigger money ( which isnt likely to happen) ?