So much for Geno

I bet he’s thrilled…!  :P

Wonder if AZ has not released Murray yet, because they are trying to do the same thing.

Vikesrock wrote:
I hate this.  I hate that Murray is the target.  Same ol crappy Vikings move.  Sign some retread, half ass in to the playoffs...lose, but Murray good enough to sign for 2027.  Miss out on any draftable QB's.  Let JJM go.  2027 is a disaster as Murray reverts back to suckatude.....

Well there's always Kirko if Kyler ain't it. :shy:

Or maybe the return of Daniel Jones for huge $$$. Talk about catastrophes.

JR44 wrote:
Wonder if AZ has not released Murray yet, because they are trying to do the same thing.

100% why...And this is where the Colts, Steelers or CLE could grab the inside track on MN for Murray (if he is a consideration for us). 

Would you give up a late rd pick for him? 

If he is their guy then maybe they do???

purplefaithful wrote:

100% why...And this is where the Colts, Steelers or CLE could grab the inside track on MN for Murray (if he is a consideration for us). 

Would you give up a late rd pick for him? 

If he is their guy then maybe they do???

purplefaithful wrote:

100% why...And this is where the Colts, Steelers or CLE could grab the inside track on MN for Murray (if he is a consideration for us). 

Would you give up a late rd pick for him? 

If he is their guy then maybe they do???

You don't just give up a late round pick, you also pay the 37 million instead of the vet minimum.  Teams in play for Kyler are just going to wait it out then hope he picks them--if those details weren't already worked out at the combine.  He's worth a cheap flyer, but paying all that money doesn't make sense.

Kentis wrote:
Not w/ hi$ contract…!  :s

Lol you're right! 

never mind

StickierBuns wrote:

So many good options! ;)

Or.....OR....you go all in on JJ's development and let him be QB1 for 2026 and lets see how much he's improved. 

*I* could do lots of stuff but... WWKD? (What would Kevin do?)  I think he's seized control over at TCO because he thinks JJM might be the end of his job.  And here we are in the quarterback of the month club.  JMO.

Stupidity.

StickierBuns wrote:

 Every Kyler Murray highlight fest I see from national talking heads just shows him scrambling, running around and throwing some hero ball jump balls. Whoop-de-do. Where's the pocket precision? 

StickierBuns wrote:

No, I disagree about KOC being stupid. I don't think he's anything of the sort. I do think he's trying to figure out how to win now and still keep JJM as The Man. I think you either are both feet in or out. I think he's still smarting from letting both Uncle Sammy and Danny Dimes go....who actually let them go I don't know. 

I'm an O'Connell fan....but if he makes Murray QB1 I'm going to really question my thoughts on that subject.

I think (strongly suspect?) KAM put KOC and that coaching staff in a real bad position in 25...

I believe the stories that KOC didnt believe JJM was ready yet, not after a rook season spent in re-hab.

StickierBuns wrote:

So many good options! ;)

Or.....OR....you go all in on JJ's development and let him be QB1 for 2026 and lets see how much he's improved. You know, the guy you moved up for to take 10th in the Draft? The guy that was 6-4 in starts? I'm all for upgrading the QB room, yes please, but behind JJM. Every Kyler Murray highlight fest I see from national talking heads just shows him scrambling, running around and throwing some hero ball jump balls. Whoop-de-do. Where's the pocket precision? Oh yeah, he's 5'10" standing on the greater New York area phone book.

Stupidity.

I keep going back to the definition of insanity.  If we sign Murray, isn't it Brett Farve, Sam Darnold year 1, Sam Bradford, Kirk Cousins....  We are just a QB away.....

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Let JJM play.  If he can't, draft Arch Manning...NEW plan...NEW

Sorry, my VTSD (Vikings Tramatic Stress Disorder) is kicking in hard today.

Vikesrock wrote:

I keep going back to the definition of insanity.  If we sign Murray, isn't it Brett Farve, Sam Darnold year 1, Sam Bradford, Kirk Cousins....  We are just a QB away.....

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Let JJM play.  If he can't, draft Arch Manning...NEW plan...NEW

Sorry, my VTSD (Vikings Tramatic Stress Disorder) is kicking in hard today.

I might take a 2009 redux - with a happier ending. That was a f'ing fun ride, till it wasn't.

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One thing of note on this.  Every one of these has a big giant opening in front of him to throw through.  If I was an opposing defense, I would hire 4 Sumo wrestlers 6'8 to stand in front of him and then just give them a sandwich or something.

purplefaithful wrote:

I might take a 2009 redux - with a happier ending. That was a f'ing fun ride, till it wasn't.

It was fun, until we unraveled at Arizona and Chicago the last couple weeks of the season, setting up New Orleans as the #1 seed.  Everyone fixates on the Farve interception, but the absolute ineptitude of the 12 man in the huddle after a time out...

I also remember 2010 was an unmitigated disaster..

Vikesrock wrote:

I keep going back to the definition of insanity.  If we sign Murray, isn't it Brett Farve, Sam Darnold year 1, Sam Bradford, Kirk Cousins....  We are just a QB away.....

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Let JJM play.  If he can't, draft Arch Manning...NEW plan...NEW

Sorry, my VTSD (Vikings Tramatic Stress Disorder) is kicking in hard today.

God I hope so! You say this like it's a bad thing. Favre had us in the NFCC, Darnold won 14 games, Bradford before he was hurt might have been the best QB play I've seen from a Viking since Culpepper, and Cousins was an MVP candidate before his achilles. If Murray gives us that, I'll take it!

MaroonBells wrote:

God I hope so! You say this like it's a bad thing. Favre had us in the NFCC, Darnold won 14 games, Bradford before he was hurt might have been the best QB play I've seen from a Viking since Culpepper, and Cousins was an MVP candidate before his achilles. If Murray gives us that, I'll take it!

Super Bowl or bust..I am tired of NFCC games and 14 win regular seasons.  Get one before I die...I am 2 cheeseburgers away as it is.

Kyler Murray’s accuracy stats when in the pocket are a key part of his performance profile, though they reflect both strengths and areas for improvement. 

Clean Pocket Completion Percentage: According to advanced metrics, Murray completed 70.6% of his passes when in a clean pocket, which ranks among the upper tier of NFL quarterbacks. This indicates solid accuracy when afforded time and protection.
Pass Accuracy and Target Depth: Despite his clean-pocket efficiency, Murray’s overall completion percentage (68.8% in 2025) is somewhat hindered by his average target depth of 7.1 yards, the 30th shortest in the league. This suggests he often throws short, high-percentage passes, which can inflate completion rates but limit explosive plays.
Inaccuracy Under Pressure: When pressured, his completion rate drops to 56.0%, highlighting vulnerability when the pocket collapses. This is a recurring concern, especially in games where pass protection falters.
Expected Completion Rate: In Week 1 of the 2025 season, Murray finished 3.9% below expected completion rate based on Next Gen Stats tracking data, indicating he missed several catchable throws, even in favorable situations. This suggests occasional inconsistency in timing and placement, particularly on deeper or contested routes.
Field Vision and Decision-Making: Some analysts note that Murray’s limited field vision—attributed to his height (5’10”) and release point—can lead to missed reads or forced throws, especially when he’s not scrambling. This is a noted concern in the pocket, where timing and sight adjustments are critical. 
In summary, while Murray shows strong accuracy in clean pockets, his overall effectiveness is tempered by inconsistencies under pressure, limited deep-ball success (25.0% deep ball completion rate), and occasional decision-making lapses, which remain focal points for improvement.

JimmyinSD wrote:
Kyler Murray’s accuracy stats when in the pocket are a key part of his performance profile, though they reflect both strengths and areas for improvement. 

Clean Pocket Completion Percentage: According to advanced metrics, Murray completed 70.6% of his passes when in a clean pocket, which ranks among the upper tier of NFL quarterbacks. This indicates solid accuracy when afforded time and protection.
Pass Accuracy and Target Depth: Despite his clean-pocket efficiency, Murray’s overall completion percentage (68.8% in 2025) is somewhat hindered by his average target depth of 7.1 yards, the 30th shortest in the league. This suggests he often throws short, high-percentage passes, which can inflate completion rates but limit explosive plays.
Inaccuracy Under Pressure: When pressured, his completion rate drops to 56.0%, highlighting vulnerability when the pocket collapses. This is a recurring concern, especially in games where pass protection falters.
Expected Completion Rate: In Week 1 of the 2025 season, Murray finished 3.9% below expected completion rate based on Next Gen Stats tracking data, indicating he missed several catchable throws, even in favorable situations. This suggests occasional inconsistency in timing and placement, particularly on deeper or contested routes.
Field Vision and Decision-Making: Some analysts note that Murray’s limited field vision—attributed to his height (5’10”) and release point—can lead to missed reads or forced throws, especially when he’s not scrambling. This is a noted concern in the pocket, where timing and sight adjustments are critical. 
In summary, while Murray shows strong accuracy in clean pockets, his overall effectiveness is tempered by inconsistencies under pressure, limited deep-ball success (25.0% deep ball completion rate), and occasional decision-making lapses, which remain focal points for improvement.

Well shit. That is kinda a downer. I don’t want to win 10 games. Push my chips all in on JJM. 

I hope someone trades for him because when the tough gets going he’s going to shrivel under the lights.

JimmyinSD wrote:
Kyler Murray’s accuracy stats when in the pocket are a key part of his performance profile, though they reflect both strengths and areas for improvement. 

Clean Pocket Completion Percentage: According to advanced metrics, Murray completed 70.6% of his passes when in a clean pocket, which ranks among the upper tier of NFL quarterbacks. This indicates solid accuracy when afforded time and protection.
Pass Accuracy and Target Depth: Despite his clean-pocket efficiency, Murray’s overall completion percentage (68.8% in 2025) is somewhat hindered by his average target depth of 7.1 yards, the 30th shortest in the league. This suggests he often throws short, high-percentage passes, which can inflate completion rates but limit explosive plays.
Inaccuracy Under Pressure: When pressured, his completion rate drops to 56.0%, highlighting vulnerability when the pocket collapses. This is a recurring concern, especially in games where pass protection falters.
Expected Completion Rate: In Week 1 of the 2025 season, Murray finished 3.9% below expected completion rate based on Next Gen Stats tracking data, indicating he missed several catchable throws, even in favorable situations. This suggests occasional inconsistency in timing and placement, particularly on deeper or contested routes.
Field Vision and Decision-Making: Some analysts note that Murray’s limited field vision—attributed to his height (5’10”) and release point—can lead to missed reads or forced throws, especially when he’s not scrambling. This is a noted concern in the pocket, where timing and sight adjustments are critical. 
In summary, while Murray shows strong accuracy in clean pockets, his overall effectiveness is tempered by inconsistencies under pressure, limited deep-ball success (25.0% deep ball completion rate), and occasional decision-making lapses, which remain focal points for improvement.

I'm with you.

JACOBY BRISSETT was better than Kyler Murray last year on the same exact team. What are we doing man

pattersaur wrote:

I'm with you.

JACOBY BRISSETT was better than Kyler Murray last year on the same exact team. What are we doing man

In fairness, that was an AI assessment to my general question as to Murray's pocket accuracy after the video posted.  As another poster noted that many of those shots had him throwing with a clear throwing lane and not having to see him throw over ol and defenders.

Im not sure what accuracy number look like when pressured are for other starters,  but I know that evem at his low price I am not seeing the longterm upside vs staying the course with JJM.  To many red flags with Murray for me.

JimmyinSD wrote:

In fairness, that was an AI assessment to my general question as to Murray's pocket accuracy after the video posted.  As another poster noted that many of those shots had him throwing with a clear throwing lane and not having to see him throw over ol and defenders.

Im not sure what accuracy number look like when pressured are for other starters,  but I know that evem at his low price I am not seeing the longterm upside vs staying the course with JJM.  To many red flags with Murray for me.

This has been such a hot topic on social media, with all the pro-Kyler people posting stats and the anti-Kyler people posting more stats. I've seen so many freaking stats about Kyler I'm getting dizzy: His under center percentage, pocket percentage, pocket accuracy, his drop percentage, percentage when targeting WR1, his efficiency over 10 yards, over 25 yards, his stats compared to Matt Stafford in Detroit, his numbers when healthy and when not, his win percentage indoors and outdoors, his numbers between '19 and '21, his numbers between '22 and '24, and his numbers last year. Each is a different Kyler because of injuries and supporting cast changes. 

You can torture the criteria to support any narrative you want. Bottom line is he's never played on an offense like the Vikings. Not even close. I also think that, like Brees in NOLA, Stafford in LA, Brady in Tampa and Sammy in Minnesota, he's going to be motivated. 

A 28-year old, 2X Pro Bowl QB who doesn't require a draft pick and will cost us less money than we're paying Tai Felton? On this offense? Are you kidding me? Viking fans should be a lot more excited about this possibility than they are.