Anyone else catch Steelers v Ravens?
What a terrible way to end the season if you are Balt...brutal
I thought Rogers still looked pretty, pretty good last night. Especially w/out any wide receivers.
He's so old now, I cant help but think he hangs it up after this season.
Tomlin has been doing it for 19 years now and it wouldnt surprise me if he hung it up too.
I dont know how much of a run the Steelers have in em?
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
purplefaithful wrote:
I cant help but think if they offered Rogers the starting job, it would severely and negatively impact their relationship with McCarthy and his family..
I think if the Vikings brought in a younger QB that would be the case, but one of the reasons that Rodgers makes some sense is that he would not be seen by anyone as the future or JJ's replacement. Just a veteran stop-gap to help the team (and its pricey weapons) realize their offensive potential and an opportunity for JJ to mature and develop outside the spotlight, basically giving him a little more of what Rodgers himself (and Love after him) benefitted from: time.
MaroonBells wrote:
I think if the Vikings brought in a younger QB that would be the case, but one of the reasons that Rodgers makes some sense is that he would not be seen by anyone as the future or JJ's replacement. Just a veteran stop-gap to help the team (and its pricey weapons) realize their offensive potential and an opportunity for JJ to mature and develop outside the spotlight, basically giving him a little more of what Rodgers himself (and Love after him) benefitted from: time.
I'm still dubious of it all...I think McCarthy needs reps more than time!
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
purplefaithful wrote:
I'm still dubious of it all...I think McCarthy needs reps more than time!
Not trying to dog on anyone that thinks we should bring in an established veteran... but it's crazy to me how most of the fan base was ready to get that young franchise QB and get out from under a high salary vet. Now that we have a young guy who has shown some good flashes of being a franchise QB, we all of a sudden want to let him sit longer for a high priced vet?
I don't get it.
MaroonBells wrote:
People have been writing Tomlin's epitaph for a decade. Unless he just wants a break, I don't know why he wouldn't be back. Rodgers is another story. I think he has wet dreams about running KOC's offense and it would require only three things for him to move on: 1, a desire to play another year, 2, a starting job offer and 3, the right money. I think the Vikings are prepared to offer him all three.
Every time I look at the QB options for the Vikings, I see reasons why they probably would not work. As much as I hate Rodgers—and I truly despise the man—I only see reasons why he makes perfect sense.
Please no, not another former Packer douchebag at qb. One was more than enough
You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it. — Robin Williams
MAD GAINZ wrote:
Not trying to dog on anyone that thinks we should bring in an established veteran... but it's crazy to me how most of the fan base was ready to get that young franchise QB and get out from under a high salary vet. Now that we have a young guy who has shown some good flashes of being a franchise QB, we all of a sudden want to let him sit longer for a high priced vet?
I don't get it.
Rodgers isn't a high priced vet.
MAD GAINZ wrote:
Why gamble on him at his age? And why delay JJ McCarthy's development even longer?
There is no big gamble if there’s no big investment. And there wouldn’t be. Rodgers is making $13.5 this year. He’ll be a year older in 2026 so his price can’t be any higher.
Why delay JJ’s development? Because JJ’s not the only priority here. The Vikings also have an interest in winning games. There is a lot of expensive talent on this roster that is just being wasted because we can’t find consistency at the QB position. I think JJ has a bright future, but let’s not forget that he’s still younger than every QB taken in THIS year’s draft, let alone last year's. We’ve seen the immaturity. I fear he’s more than a year away, and we absolutely cannot go through another year like this.
And if not Rodgers, then who?
MaroonBells wrote:
There is no big gamble if there’s no big investment. And there wouldn’t be. Rodgers is making $13.5 this year. He’ll be a year older in 2026 so his price can’t be any higher.
Why delay JJ’s development? Because JJ’s not the only priority here. The Vikings also have an interest in winning games. There is a lot of expensive talent on this roster that is just being wasted because we can’t find consistency at the QB position. I think JJ has a bright future, but let’s not forget that he’s still younger than every QB taken in THIS year’s draft, let alone last year's. We’ve seen the immaturity. I fear he’s more than a year away, and we absolutely cannot go through another year like this.
And if not Rodgers, then who?
So you're ready to give up on JJM after 10 starts? He played much better as the season went along. Why isn't it reasonable to expect him to continue to improve with another off-season and more starts?
I get concerns about him staying healthy after this season, but we're better off developing him than delaying his development another year by sitting the bench. The only way we bring in Rodgers is if the coaching staff has decided to move off him as our franchise QB. And if that's the case, it's a bunch of egg on Kevin's face after he declared JJ McCarthy was our franchise QB his rookie year.
As far as our high priced vets go, you can make that case every year. NFL rosters turnover every 3-4 years. When we made the decision to start him this season, we committed to seeing this thru until his 5th year option needs to be picked up.
MaroonBells wrote:
People have been writing Tomlin's epitaph for a decade. Unless he just wants a break, I don't know why he wouldn't be back. Rodgers is another story. I think he has wet dreams about running KOC's offense and it would require only three things for him to move on: 1, a desire to play another year, 2, a starting job offer and 3, the right money. I think the Vikings are prepared to offer him all three.
Every time I look at the QB options for the Vikings, I see reasons why they probably would not work. As much as I hate Rodgers—and I truly despise the man—I only see reasons why he makes perfect sense.
Rodgers has everything you mentioned the Vikings could offer, plus a playoff team, and a year of familiarity, already in Pittsburgh. Is a 56 year old Aaron Rodgers really that desperate to learn yet another new/modified offense under KO that he'd move here? Seems unlikely.
I also just don't want to see the Vikings sign him at all so perhaps I have some bias ha.
MAD GAINZ wrote:
So you're ready to give up on JJM after 10 starts? He played much better as the season went along. Why isn't it reasonable to expect him to continue to improve with another off-season and more starts?
I get concerns about him staying healthy after this season, but we're better off developing him than delaying his development another year by sitting the bench. The only way we bring in Rodgers is if the coaching staff has decided to move off him as our franchise QB. And if that's the case, it's a bunch of egg on Kevin's face after he declared JJ McCarthy was our franchise QB his rookie year.
As far as our high priced vets go, you can make that case every year. NFL rosters turnover every 3-4 years. When we made the decision to start him this season, we committed to seeing this thru until his 5th year option needs to be picked up.
How does me saying "he has a bright future...but I fear he's more than a year away" suggest I'm ready to give up on JJ? The reason I think Rodgers is a good option for us is precisely because I DON'T want to give up on JJ. While there are a couple younger QB options out there who would signal giving up on JJ, signing Rodgers would signal the opposite.
MaroonBells wrote:
How does me saying "he has a bright future...but I fear he's more than a year away" suggest I'm ready to give up on JJ? The reason I think Rodgers is a good option for us is precisely because I DON'T want to give up on JJ. While there are a couple younger QB options out there who would signal giving up on JJ, signing Rodgers would signal the opposite.
It could be that Rodgers is exactly what JJM needs. There is a narrative that Rodgers will not mentor young QB's. But according to those young QB's, that isn't true.
Both Love and Howard have gushed about how he helps them along, explains things to them, and gives them advice. Rodgers had mentioned that after how he felt in Green Bay, basically being shunned, he wouldn't ever put a young player thorough that.
I'm not a fan of how he asks for a flag after every incomplete pass or if anyone touches him. But as for not being a douche to his backups, that's made up.
Is he a viable option? I have no idea. But lets face it, he's smart and would have the chance to pick up the offense pretty quickly.
Are there ever un-interesting Viking off-seasons?
This is shaping-up to be a Doozy
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
MaroonBells wrote:
How does me saying "he has a bright future...but I fear he's more than a year away" suggest I'm ready to give up on JJ? The reason I think Rodgers is a good option for us is precisely because I DON'T want to give up on JJ. While there are a couple younger QB options out there who would signal giving up on JJ, signing Rodgers would signal the opposite.
You send the wrong message by bringing in someone to start over JJ McCarthy. It tells him and the team you don't think he has a future because you handed him the team and now you're taking it away.
The Broncos worked thru Nix's early season struggles and he figured it out. Patriots took their lumps with Maye last year after he won 2 games for them and had 16 TDs to 10 INTs. Patriots reaped the rewards by sticking with him and continuing to build around him. Same thing with the Bears. McCarthy went 6-4 and had 15 TDs and 12 INTs in his first year starting. Why can't the Vikings do the same? Maybe everything clicks for him this off-season? His play was trending up until the hand injury limited him the last two games.
MAD GAINZ wrote:
You send the wrong message by bringing in someone to start over JJ McCarthy. It tells him and the team you don't think he has a future because you handed him the team and now you're taking it away.
The Broncos worked thru Nix's early season struggles and he figured it out. Patriots took their lumps with Maye last year after he won 2 games for them and had 16 TDs to 10 INTs. Patriots reaped the rewards by sticking with him and continuing to build around him. Same thing with the Bears. McCarthy went 6-4 and had 15 TDs and 12 INTs in his first year starting. Why can't the Vikings do the same? Maybe everything clicks for him this off-season? His play was trending up until the hand injury limited him the last two games.
I agree that it’s very possible McCarthy follows the path of Nix, Maye and Williams. It might even be likely. But we have to remember that JJ is much younger than every one of those guys. And we have to acknowledge that his development might take longer. So at the very least, the Vikings need a safety net at QB2, and a more reliable one than either Wentz or Brosmer. There’s too much at stake.
Jefferson and Addison, the linemen and backs have all been model teammates in their public support of JJ, but at some point their patience is going to run out. Because if we declare JJ the starter and things go sideways again, and we don’t have anything behind him to give the team some confidence that the season isn't over because of it, it’s going to be deja vu all over again. The Vikings CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN.
Kentis wrote:
Interestingly, Cousins just restructured to facilitate his release on day 2 of the league year. Hmmm… :cool: :angel:
My $$ is on Kirko still wanting to be QB1 somewhere...
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
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