Dallas Turner

purplefaithful wrote:
Tied with Eric Wilson for the team lead in sacks (season to date) with 5.5 

Redmond comes in at #2 with 5.0

https://www.vikings.com/team/stats/

He kind of disappeared during the Commanders game though.  He had 3 straight games with a sack prior.

badgervike wrote:

He kind of disappeared during the Commanders game though.  He had 3 straight games with a sack prior.

He may have suffered that brutal setback: opposing OCs noticing him, and getting better/more blocking in his vicinity.

badgervike wrote:

He kind of disappeared during the Commanders game though.  He had 3 straight games with a sack prior.

Or we could commend him for playing well during one of the tough stretches for the team given all the beating he has been getting here.

badgervike wrote:

He kind of disappeared during the Commanders game though.  He had 3 straight games with a sack prior.

Getting sacks in 3 out of his last 4 games isn't bad. Jared Verse has zero sacks in 5 of his last 6 games. It was the same thing with Danielle Hunter. If he didn't get a sack in a game, he "disappeared."

MaroonBells wrote:

Getting sacks in 3 out of his last 4 games isn't bad. Jared Verse has zero sacks in 5 of his last 6 games. It was the same thing with Danielle Hunter. If he didn't get a sack in a game, he "disappeared."

Geez this board is jumpy lately.  I didn't say that sacks in 3 of 4 games was bad.  I noted it in my response.  I also said he disappeared last week.  Both are accurate.  I thought it was a fairly balanced response but evidently people believe that we can only acknowledge the good things. 

He's played better this year but he still doesn't draw a lot of attention from the Oline which has given him opportunity for sacks with his speed.  When the opposing lines have to start chipping him or double teaming hime...than you know we have something.

MaroonBells wrote:

Getting sacks in 3 out of his last 4 games isn't bad. Jared Verse has zero sacks in 5 of his last 6 games. It was the same thing with Danielle Hunter. If he didn't get a sack in a game, he "disappeared."

Danielle is having a good sack year, I think he got 1/2 of those against the Jags lol!

Dallas is at 5.5 sacks now and I hope he finishes in that 7-9 range year 2. 

That would be a good improvement vs rookie year and give me encouragement he can get to that 10+ yr 3 (knock wood)

badgervike wrote:

Geez this board is jumpy lately.  I didn't say that sacks in 3 of 4 games was bad.  I noted it in my response.  I also said he disappeared last week.  Both are accurate.  I thought it was a fairly balanced response but evidently people believe that we can only acknowledge the good things. 

He's played better this year but he still doesn't draw a lot of attention from the Oline which has given him opportunity for sacks with his speed.  When the opposing lines have to start chipping him or double teaming hime...than you know we have something.

Sorry, it's just that "disappeared" was the same word used to describe Hunter, which was nonsense. If DH disappeared it was because he was made to via the game plan. It happens. Commanders protected the edges well in this one,  as well they should with All Pro Tunsel on one side and prize rookie Connerly on the other. None of the Vikings edge rushers had a sack, pressure or QB hit. All of the pressure came from the middle with Redmond, Allen and an A-gap blitz from Wilson.

We forget just how young Dallas Turner still is.

“I feel like the age thing, it has its pros and its cons in a way,” the 22-year-old edge rusher said after his second multi-sack game in six weeks helped the Vikings beat the visiting Packers on Jan. 4 to cap a five-game winning streak and a 9-8 season.

The con was being 21 when the Vikings drafted him 17th overall and eased him into his NFL career as a rotational backup to Jonathan Greenard and Andrew Van Ginkel. Meanwhile, fellow edge rusher Jared Verse, selected two spots later by the Los Angeles Rams, was an immediate starter and became NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year.
Verse, however, is already 25. Turner turns 23 on Feb. 2.

Turner, however, seemed to grow into an NFL-sized man before our eyes against the Packers.

He overtook Van Ginkel for the team lead in sacks with eight and was smart enough to tip his helmet to a crowd that showed up in a way that masked the fact the Vikings were playing their fourth game since being eliminated from the playoff race.

Turner’s sacks were easy for a young man whose technique and body are catching up to his speed and instincts. The first came when Turner simply ran past Drake Dabney, an undrafted rookie tight end playing his second NFL game. The second sack came when Turner sped past left tackle Jordan Morgan, the 25th overall pick a year ago.

Both times, the crowd helped Turner get the jump he needed.

“Honestly, shoutout to the fans for showing up every single week,” Turner said. “Playing here at U.S. Bank Stadium is a big advantage getting off the ball.”

Strib

Trade Greenard, start Turner, give Gink a raise, draft an edge on day two.

MaroonBells wrote:
Trade Greenard, start Turner, give Gink a raise, draft an edge on day two.

Boy, that gives me pause, I guess Id have to see the compensation b4 I'd be at peace with it. 

Hell, I like all 3 edges in rotation. And Gink is 30 going on 31. 

I used to think WR was our best/deepest personnel group, now I would argue it's Edge. I would hate to weaken that.

purplefaithful wrote:

Boy, that gives me pause, I guess Id have to see the compensation b4 I'd be at peace with it. 

Hell, I like all 3 edges in rotation. And Gink is 30 going on 31. 

I used to think WR was our best/deepest personnel group, now I would argue it's Edge. I would hate to weaken that.

I agree,  I need to see Turner succeed when he has to defeat blocks more-so than just running around them and beating them with his quick get off.

MaroonBells wrote:
Trade Greenard, start Turner, give Gink a raise, draft an edge on day two.

What would a realistic return be? For enough picks I agree, he's movable. If the comp is low keep him.

pattersaur wrote:

What would a realistic return be? For enough picks I agree, he's movable. If the comp is low keep him.

He's only 28 years old and still on a reasonable deal for another two seasons. I think at worst, you could get a second round pick for him. There are plenty of teams who's seasons were derailed because they couldn't pressure the quarterback. Dallas and Baltimore immediately come to mind. Dallas has been rumored as a landing spot for Flores, and if that were to play out, I could absolutely see them being a perfect trade candidate.

MaroonBells wrote:
Trade Greenard, start Turner, give Gink a raise, draft an edge on day two.

I actually think this would work. What could we get for Greenard?

We gotta wait and see what happens at DC b4 anything...

Well, as Dallas is a KAM draftee, isn't he terrible, the worst ever at his position, and proof that our GM never can draft anyone?

I've been assured, very often, that this is the case...!

There were very few games this season where we had one of our 3 edges sitting around idly. We got kind of lucky that Gink and Greenard were injured at different times, but it’s definitely a risk to get rid of one of them and hope that the 2nd round edge can step in without much drop off. We’ve been playing this game where we are depending on our pass rush to cover for our lack of CBs. It’s not really something where we can afford to have a dud on the field at that position, and it’s a specialized position in Flores’s defense that needs to back into coverage as often as rushing the passer.

I get that it’s more optimal to trade him, but it’s definitely a risk vector that could bite us in the ass, kind of like trading Harrison Phillips was.

Greenard is a team leader and on a reasonable deal. Not sure why we'd trade him? If we want cap space, we could easily move on from Allen and Hargraves at DL and let Redmond, TID, and LDR take over. Taki can be our run stuffer.

MAD GAINZ wrote:
Greenard is a team leader and on a reasonable deal.  Not sure why we'd trade him?  If we want cap space, we could easily move on from Allen and Hargraves at DL and let Redmond, TID, and LDR take over.  Taki can be our run stuffer.

There is a lot of flexibility in several of the big contracts. Greenard is just one of them. I think the reason he's being mentioned is because his dead cap is so low. POTENTIAL OUT: 2026, 2 YR, $38,003,780; $9,900,000 DEAD CAP

But I agree with those who say we need three edges. If they do trade him, they better at least get a high day-two pick and use that pick on his replacement. But if we can get under the cap with a couple of other restructures, it might be best to keep him. That would also free up draft capital for other positions.

MAD GAINZ wrote:
Greenard is a team leader and on a reasonable deal.  Not sure why we'd trade him?

Because you have a 22 year old kid who was a 1st round pick that just led your team in sacks and forced fumbles playing essentially half the season. Having 3 rushers is nice in theory, but how often have we utilized all three on the field at the same time? Hasn't happened yet, and I don't think you send Turner back to the bench when you can trade Greenard now for maximum value. The Vikings haven't gotten trade value for anybody since we traded Diggs. It's time to get younger