Commanders game thread

NorseFeathers wrote:
Eric Wilson, age 31. Do we re-sign him and what cost?

I mean, there's an argument to be made that he's been our best player. Would be criminal to not at least try and resign him.

supafreak84 wrote:
The only thing that will help what ailes you more than playing the Vikings, is playing the Washington Commies. With a chance at landing a top 5 pick in a lost season, the Vikings blow them out. It's the Viking way

Our shortest and easiest path to a Super Bowl at this point-- by far-- is if McCarthy figures it out and plays well. Don't give up on Plan A just yet dude!

150 total rushing yards so far. This should have been the blueprint all along for McCarthy...

pattersaur wrote:
Our shortest and easiest path to a Super Bowl at this point-- by far-- is if McCarthy figures it out and plays well. Don't give up on Plan A just yet dude!

Certainly happy to see McCarthy play much better, but at this point in the season, winning games does nothing for us. You can say, "well, it builds a winning culture heading into next season" but does it really? We are going to have a ton of roster turnover and likely other changes however this season ends. I'm not going to put a whole lot of stock into beating a bad Commies team. Good for the players, but as a fan it doesn't do much for me in the grand scheme of things

Also, master class today put on by Flores

supafreak84 wrote:

Certainly happy to see McCarthy play much better, but at this point in the season, winning games does nothing for us. You can say, "well, it builds a winning culture heading into next season" but does it really? We are going to have a ton of roster turnover and likely other changes however this season ends. I'm not going to put a whole lot of stock into beating a bad Commies team. Good for the players, but as a fan it doesn't do much for me in the grand scheme of things

Also, master class today put on by Flores

B***h, whine, complain, b***h some more...

(just copy and paste that in the future, big time saver)

Zanary wrote:

B***h, whine, complain, b***h some more...

(just copy and paste that in the future, big time saver)

Lol! DERP DERP DERP! Your an idiot...

Just at a point where worthless wins in an already lost season don't mean much to me. All it means is Kwesi and the other front office idiots have improved their chance at staying and the draft position gets worse. But carry on...

supafreak84 wrote:

Certainly happy to see McCarthy play much better, but at this point in the season, winning games does nothing for us. You can say, "well, it builds a winning culture heading into next season" but does it really? We are going to have a ton of roster turnover and likely other changes however this season ends. I'm not going to put a whole lot of stock into beating a bad Commies team. Good for the players, but as a fan it doesn't do much for me in the grand scheme of things

Also, master class today put on by Flores

I can only imagine what you’d have said if we had lost.
Some here would take the win plus a decent showing from JJM. Also we can’t ignore the opportunity to build chemistry on offense with the other position groups.
There is never a bad win if you are in the business of competitive sports.

mblack wrote:
I can only imagine what you’d have said if we had lost. Some here would take the win plus a decent showing from JJM. Also we can’t ignore the opportunity to build chemistry on offense with the other position groups. There is never a bad win if you are in the business of competitive sports.

If we lost, it just would have been a continuation of what we've seen all year. We've said all that needs to be said about the front office and coaching staff. Ultimately we all knew if we were going to get another win this season, today was going to be the day. We've got four games left and will certainly be underdogs in three of them. My hope is we see continued progression from McCarthy, some glimpses from the other young players, but ultimately losing does more for us then winning them does.

supafreak84 wrote:

If we lost, it just would have been a continuation of what we've seen all year. We've said all that needs to be said about the front office and coaching staff. Ultimately we all knew if we were going to get another win this season, today was going to be the day. We've got four games left and will certainly be underdogs in three of them. My hope is we see continued progression from McCarthy, some glimpses from the other young players, but ultimately losing does more for us then winning them does.

So now that we won, the narrative can be paused (even if for just a week). If we can criticize the team and front office when the team loses we have to give them their due when they win. Can’t have it both ways.
Anyway, how exactly will we progress without winning? Are you saying we should progress but not make enough progress to win? 
If we are making progress as you want us to do would winning not be a result of that? I am so confused.
On another hand, it is way easier to coach and build trust, belief and confidence when you win.

Good game from JJ, hopefully plenty for him to build on... I cant imagine how he's been feeling the last month.

I think this is the first game the OL played the entire game all year?

Would like to see the WR's more involved, but baby steps.

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• McCarthy threw three touchdown passes and finished with a 129.2 passer rating as the Vikings beat the visiting Commanders 31-0, winning for the first time since they beat the Detroit Lions on Nov. 2 and claiming their first home victory since Sept. 21 against the Cincinnati Bengals.
  
• It was the first time in franchise history the Vikings had shut out an opponent the week after being shut out, and their second shutout in three years with Brian Flores as the defensive coordinator.
  
• McCarthy finished 16-for-23 for 163 yards and three touchdowns, hitting Josh Oliver for two scores and T.J. Hockenson for the other TD.
  
• Jordan Mason, who paired with Aaron Jones Sr. for 128 rushing yards, provided the other touchdown on an 8-yard score in the second quarter.
  

supafreak84 wrote:

If we lost, it just would have been a continuation of what we've seen all year. We've said all that needs to be said about the front office and coaching staff. Ultimately we all knew if we were going to get another win this season, today was going to be the day. We've got four games left and will certainly be underdogs in three of them. My hope is we see continued progression from McCarthy, some glimpses from the other young players, but ultimately losing does more for us then winning them does.

Now THERE'S a stupid post. Losing for...what?

Draft position, when college bois take time, something you and others obviously cannot cope with? The sheer dunce-ness of that post is amazing.

More negativity towards KAM, KOC, etc...? Sure, when impatience is already on obvious display, calling for various levels of reboot makes a TON of...sense?

No, it's just ridiculous drool. No real fan wants losses.

Go be a Cleveland fan, you'll have lossses and a constant slew of high draft picks every season!

mblack wrote:
So now that we won, the narrative can be paused (even if for just a week). If we can criticize the team and front office when the team loses we have to give them their due when they win. Can’t have it both ways. Anyway, how exactly will we progress without winning? Are you saying we should progress but not make enough progress to win?  If we are making progress as you want us to do would winning not be a result of that? I am so confused. On another hand, it is way easier to coach and build trust, belief and confidence when you win.

Ok...so we beat a bad Washington team at home. OConnell finally ran a balanced play sheet. Do we give him credit for finally doing that in week 14 when everybody's been calling for it all year and we are already eliminated from the playoffs!? I certainly don't and my response would be, " hey dipshit, where was this week two against Atlanta?" Like I said, great for the players to win, but all it does is hurt what little advantage a losing season does hold. 

Let's talk about another worthless win against Washington to prove my point. In 2011 we were a 2-12 football team heading into Washington on Christmas Eve, with a chance at the #1 overall pick on the line. We inexplicably win the game and finish out the season with a home loss to Chicago. We lose out on the #1 overall pick who was Andrew Luck. Instead, we end up with the 3rd pick that ended up being Matt Kalil after a one spot traded own with the Browns. This is the kind of shit that drives me crazy, but I'm sure many here (just like today) were thrilled with that meaningless win at Washington.

Zanary wrote:

Now THERE'S a stupid post. Losing for...what?

Draft position, when college bois take time, something you and others obviously cannot cope with? The sheer dunce-ness of that post is amazing.

More negativity towards KAM, KOC, etc...? Sure, when impatience is already on obvious display, calling for various levels of reboot makes a TON of...sense?

No, it's just ridiculous drool. No real fan wants losses.

Go be a Cleveland fan, you'll have lossses and a constant slew of high draft picks every season!

"Dunce-ness?" Wow, you come up with that yourself with the 3 brain cells you have left? Kudos to you. 

And oh yes, us "real fans" are certainly tired of the mediocrity and never really contending. But if meaningless late season wins in a lost season floats your boat and keeps the pudding dribbling down your chin, more power to you

supafreak84 wrote:

Ok...so we beat a bad Washington team at home. OConnell finally ran a balanced play sheet. Do we give him credit for finally doing that in week 14 when everybody's been calling for it all year and we are already eliminated from the playoffs!? I certainly don't and my response would be, " hey dipshit, where was this week two against Atlanta?" Like I said, great for the players to win, but all it does is hurt what little advantage a losing season does hold. 

Let's talk about another worthless win against Washington to prove my point. In 2011 we were a 2-12 football team heading into Washington on Christmas Eve, with a chance at the #1 overall pick on the line. We inexplicably win the game and finish out the season with a home loss to Chicago. We lose out on the #1 overall pick who was Andrew Luck. Instead, we end up with the 3rd pick that ended up being Matt Kalil after a one spot traded own with the Browns. This is the kind of shit that drives me crazy, but I'm sure many here (just like today) were thrilled with that meaningless win at Washington.

lol. Reading this makes me wonder if we here sometimes have too high an opinion of ourselves about our knowledge of football. This is just a fan forum after all.
I don’t pretend to know football but I do know that if you are quick to criticize that someone is not doing something right you should also be ready to admit when they do something right instead of moving the goal post.
Here were our needs in 2012: Left Tackle, Wide Receiver, and the Secondary (Cornerback/Safety). So QB was not one of them as we had just drafted Ponder. Again I don’t know much about football so just posting what I read.

Speaking of Luck, what did the Colts win with Andrew Luck and where is he now? There were also Luke K, S. Gilmore, F. Cox and D. Poe in that same draft that we could have drafted even lower (since it seems we are just throwing out names).
So your idea of what happened in 2012 is pretty confusing.

supafreak84 wrote:

Ok...so we beat a bad Washington team at home. OConnell finally ran a balanced play sheet. Do we give him credit for finally doing that in week 14 when everybody's been calling for it all year and we are already eliminated from the playoffs!? I certainly don't and my response would be, " hey dipshit, where was this week two against Atlanta?" Like I said, great for the players to win, but all it does is hurt what little advantage a losing season does hold. 

Let's talk about another worthless win against Washington to prove my point. In 2011 we were a 2-12 football team heading into Washington on Christmas Eve, with a chance at the #1 overall pick on the line. We inexplicably win the game and finish out the season with a home loss to Chicago. We lose out on the #1 overall pick who was Andrew Luck. Instead, we end up with the 3rd pick that ended up being Matt Kalil after a one spot traded own with the Browns. This is the kind of shit that drives me crazy, but I'm sure many here (just like today) were thrilled with that meaningless win at Washington.

I do want to pause as a fan and enjoy the win for the team. Those guys do bust their humps all season, coaches too. 

I figured they would win against a really banged-up Commodes team, didnt expect the shut-out...But hell, they lost McDaniel and Ertz today on top of it. 

I'm hoping for the highest draft pick we can get, AND I also want to see JJM keep his upward trajectory going. 

We also have some superstar young players that want to win and you want them wanting to stay. Thats a really big deal imo.

Anything can happen in a divisional game. But honestly? Not sure I see another win? Maybe Gmen?
at Dallas
at NYG
Lions
GB

I think this will be a 5 win team when the dust settles...Thats good enough for a top 10 pick but bad enough for some real bad feelings out in Eagan these days. Thats concerning to me.

purplefaithful wrote:

I do want to pause as a fan and enjoy the win for the team. Those guys do bust their humps all season, coaches too. 

I figured they would win against a really banged-up Commodes team, didnt expect the shut-out...But hell, they lost McDaniel and Ertz today on top of it. 

I'm hoping for the highest draft pick we can get, AND I also want to see JJM keep his upward trajectory going. 

We also have some superstar young players that want to win and you want them wanting to stay. Thats a really big deal imo.

Anything can happen in a divisional game. But honestly? Not sure I see another win? Maybe Gmen?
at Dallas
at NYG
Lions
GB

I think this will be a 5 win team when the dust settles...Thats good enough for a top 10 pick but bad enough for some real bad feelings out in Eagan these days. Thats concerning to me.

Exactly! But saying a win is bad is just crazy.
As we all know not all high draft positions return the reward we expect in terms of player selection and development. I do agree that odds are better with the chance to pick early with the pool of players available and ability to convert picks for more high quality picks.

mblack wrote:
lol. Reading this makes me wonder if we here sometimes have too high an opinion of ourselves about our knowledge of football. This is just a fan forum after all. I don’t pretend to know football but I do know that if you are quick to criticize that someone is not doing something right you should also be ready to admit when they do something right instead of moving the goal post. Here were our needs in 2012: Left Tackle, Wide Receiver, and the Secondary (Cornerback/Safety). So QB was not one of them as we had just drafted Ponder. Again I don’t know much about football so just posting what I read.

Speaking of Luck, what did the Colts win with Andrew Luck and where is he now? There were also Luke K, S. Gilmore, F. Cox and D. Poe in that same draft that we could have drafted even lower (since it seems we are just throwing out names).
So your idea of what happened in 2012 is pretty confusing.

Ponder was awful as a rookie and we wouldn't have hesitated to draft Luck, just like every other team in the league would have. Maybe the greatest quarterback prospect of all time. Just like Bears, who punted Justin Fields to draft Caleb Williams. 

And yeah I'll disagree with you on KOC. It's the equivalent of someone buying auto insurance AFTER being in a car wreck. Too little, too late for this season

supafreak84 wrote:

Ponder was awful as a rookie and we wouldn't have hesitated to draft Luck, just like every other team in the league would have. Maybe the greatest quarterback prospect of all time. Just like Bears, who punted Justin Fields to draft Caleb Williams. 

And yeah I'll disagree with you on KOC. It's the equivalent of someone buying auto insurance AFTER being in a car wreck. Too little, too late for this season

Just like the Bills did with Allen or the Panthers are doing with Young. That was sarcasm by the way.

As a reminder the Bears did not give up on Fields after one year. So your Ponder stance is not applicable.

I am sure you are a better coach that KOC but I’ll stick with the guy that actually coaches in the nfl and won coach of the year. Those accolades however do not prevent him from criticism but pretending he does not know what he is doing is just crazy and takes away from the weak argument you are trying to make. 

What happened this season is more than poor qb play. And like I have said there is enough blame to go around but that does not prevent us from giving credit where it’s due even if for just one game.

mblack wrote:

Just like the Bills did with Allen or the Panthers are doing with Young. That was sarcasm by the way.

As a reminder the Bears did not give up on Fields after one year. So your Ponder stance is not applicable.

I am sure you are a better coach that KOC but I’ll stick with the guy that actually coaches in the nfl and won coach of the year. Those accolades however do not prevent him from criticism but pretending he does not know what he is doing is just crazy and takes away from the weak argument you are trying to make. 

What happened this season is more than poor qb play. And like I have said there is enough blame to go around but that does not prevent us from giving credit where it’s due even if for just one game.

If you think we would have passed on Luck because we took a flyer on Ponder the year prior who was awful as a rookie, you are wrong. Luck going #1 was the slam dunk of all slam dunks. 

Did I ever claim to be a better coach than KOC? I'm getting older, but pretty sure I never made that claim. Could I draft better than Kwesi? That's a different conversation, but fairly certain my dead grandmother could draft better. However, you don't give someone credit for something they should have done in the first place, especially when it's what people have literally been screaming for in the media and everywhere else (certainly here) all year long. You want to fluff his pillow because he finally did it...in week 14...after having been eliminated from the playoffs...go for it.

I like to win. Only time, I'll cheer for a loss is the last game and we're in the running for the top X pick or better when there's only X QBs to get in the draft.

supafreak84 wrote:

Ok...so we beat a bad Washington team at home. OConnell finally ran a balanced play sheet. Do we give him credit for finally doing that in week 14 when everybody's been calling for it all year and we are already eliminated from the playoffs!?

Yes, we do. At least I do. Sure I wish he'd come to that conclusion a lot sooner and not tanked our season in the process of getting there, but better late than never. Let's see if he can stick with it/put together another good gameplan next week.

I care a lot more about seeing improvements from the head coach than I do from the fringe players who the internet tells me "NEED TO SEE THE FIELD".

The home fans finally got to enjoy a great win, the team looked good, and I had a nice Sunday! Much prefer all that to getting smoked, receiving another week of haha u guys suk memes from my friends, and worrying about the draft 5 months away.

And I even got to see Travis Kelce give another team an interception :P

pattersaur wrote:
I'm not sure who needs to hear this but Sam Darnold is 5/11, 37 yds, 1 INT at halftime right now in Atlanta.

Circling back-- Sammy ripped it in the second half, sheesh!

2H he was 15/19 for 220 and 3 TDs, jeez he lit the Falcons up. 

On the other side/hand-- Kirk continues to look real washed.

StickierBuns wrote:
Interesting stat line: 14/33, 160 yards and 3 INTs with zero TDs. Pretty fugly, huh? This was Patrick Mahomes last night.

Listen, if you can't enjoy a much needed decent game by McCarthy and a win, you've got an agenda. But what else is new on this board with a few posters?

Interesting how we tend to gloss over legendary QBs bad games. Because all QBs have had them. I'll always remember Tom Brady throwing 4 INTs in the first half of an opener against the Bills. Pats lost 31-0. They went on to win the Super Bowl that year. 

Read this earlier:

By pitching a shutout on Sunday afternoon, this Vikings team became the first team in 33 years to follow up getting shut out by pitching a shutout of their own. To find the last time this happened, you have to go back to the 1992 season. That year, the Denver Broncos lost to the Philadelphia Eagles in Week 3 of that season by a score of 30-0 at Philadelphia, a game that saw them only pick up four first downs and gain just 82 total yards of offense. (Yes, John Elway did play in that game, he was just bad.) 

This was not John Elway's rookie season either. He was a 10-year vet at the time.