Packers game thread

AGRforever wrote:
We need a new plan at QB. What we got isn’t working. Not sure if that means a retread or draft a new one?  But number Nein isn’t it.

We’re at passtronaut bad.

...yeah, because starting over AGAIN will fix things...

...like I said for years, much of this fanbase doesn't have the heart or spine to ride with a drafted QB.

I would think Matt Jones could be a target but he signed a 2 yr deal with the niners. Not sure who we’ll go after but what we have isn’t it.

Flores isn’t going to have his phone ringing off the hook this winter.

I doubt we’re in a position to win anymore games so that puts us with a top 10 pick.

Zanary wrote:

...yeah, because starting over AGAIN will fix things...

...like I said for years, much of this fanbase doesn't have the heart or spine to ride with a drafted QB.

If there was any growth. Literally any, I’d be lining up to defend the kid. 

If anything he’s gotten worse as the season has progressed.

I'm not ready to toss JJM to the curb for good yet, but how many weeks of incompetence can we get in a row? Are there assignable causes that get us to a better place?

I think if things don't markedly improve at the QB spot, there at least has to be an open competition between JJM and Brosmer going into the offseeason.

Also, I think McCown has to be out. Like flubbed hard on Young, even worse on MCarthy.

Zanary wrote:

...yeah, because starting over AGAIN will fix things...

...like I said for years, much of this fanbase doesn't have the heart or spine to ride with a drafted QB.

Seriously ,  what exactly have you seen that suggests that more reps are going to flip a light on for him?  He is in way over his head,  KOCs play calling doesn't help but obviously he doesn't even know what to do to get the kids head on right. 

I'm not ready to can the pick,  but he is looking worse by the week and needs some time out of the sun.  Seriously,  nothing at all makes anybody think he is making improvements or is learning from his mistakes.

JimmyinSD wrote:

I'm not ready to can the pick,  but he is looking worse by the week and needs some time out of the sun.  Seriously,  nothing at all makes anybody think he is making improvements or is learning from his mistakes.

Well that's just it, he's had nothing but time out of the sun so I don't necessarily think that's the issue. He's just not good...in any facet, and that's the concern to me.

A quite worrisome performance at Lambeau Field. J.J. McCarthy is regressing before our eyes. Hard to see a way out of the box. 4-7.

Packers 23, Vikings 6. FINAL

— Kevin Seifert (@SeifertESPN) November 23, 2025

I'm very torn if sitting him is the right or wrong thing to do right now...

Glad it's not my decision to make, I could make an argument for both sides.

supafreak84 wrote:

Well that's just it, he's had nothing but time out of the sun so I don't necessarily think that's the issue. He's just not good...in any facet, and that's the concern to me.

Hes gotten a taste and it wasn't good,  give him chance to wash that taste out of his mouth and reset his mind,  putting him back out there with his head reeling isnt helping anything.

NorseFeathers wrote:
At some point, do we have to give Brosmer a chance?

Well only if you are trying to win the game. They are trying to groom a QB for the future instead!
6 games is too soon to call JJ a bust, but he was certainly a reach.
Truth is, the Vikings have more problems than JJ that cloud the future. But even average QB play would make them a much better team. I doubt they ever play Brosmer unless JJ gets hurt again.

It would be pretty hard for Brosmer to be worse wouldn’t it?

We’re approaching Ryan leaf bad stats.

hogjowlsjohnny wrote:

Well only if you are trying to win the game. They are trying to groom a QB for the future instead!
6 games is too soon to call JJ a bust, but he was certainly a reach.
Truth is, the Vikings have more problems than JJ that cloud the future. But even average QB play would make them a much better team. I doubt they ever play Brosmer unless JJ gets hurt again.

Yup, KOC cant say it in the press (or locker room) but they are trying to groom that QBOTF first and foremost. The redshirt year didnt help at all that I can see. 

The quesiton now is are they hurting him (or not) by not giving him a seat for a week or two? 

And when do you put the teams needs ahead of an individual player?

This is something that I am very glad is not my call to make.

For one half KOC finally did what he should have been doing since day one. Dumb it down for a rookie (never mind sitting for a year, he's a rookie in every sense of it), lean into a very effective run game, and let JJM make simple throws and move the chains. Build the kid's confidence slowly. No drinking from a firehose or trying to pretend he can run some complex downfield aerial attack.

Then the special teams who apparently, based on numerous problems all year including basically losing the last game, are coached by Ed Donatell (how did you get back on the sidelines, Ed?), handed Green Bay 7. And the Coach of the Year decided, down 2 scores with 1.5 quarters left, that it was chuck and duck time. In other words, let's panic, let's make the kid throw on every down, let's not even pretend to stick with our run game, because omg how could we win this otherwise?!

It's serious dumbfuck territory and tbh, I know there are folks on here who believe in KOC but I haven't for a long time, I think he's a fraud in many ways. He blows hot bullshit about organizations fail young qbs. Well this is now Exhibit A. Because JJM ran a run-heavy, conservative attack at Michigan for a coach who I think protected him to some extent, and certainly never asked him to run a low percentage downfield pass attack. This kid needs to be brought along slowly and conservatively and in that regard this HC is clueless as far as I can see.

It isn't doing JJM any good to let him fail this badly week in and week out. The idea that something is magically going to change isn't an idea I believe in. You need to see incremental progress and you need to develop him in a way that makes sense given his skillset and limitations. It's not that he can't be a decent NFL qb but this path is not going to get him there. And it has the potential to completely fuck his career as well.

My general opinion is that this organization from top to bottom doesn't know what it's doing and I'm not seeing much to change that opinion. A couple of luck-filled runs sandwiched by really bad play in the KOC tenure doesn't leave me impressed at all. Just my opinions, feel free to disagree.

StickierBuns wrote:
Benching him means the team needs a break from the ineptitude, that would be the reason. He's not going to be helped by sitting, now or the future. He's observed everything for a WHOLE year last year and then injured for 4 or 5 weeks. What's he going gain by being benched? This is why I'm saying that its not impossible this happens, in fact it gets more probable every week, but it'll be painted to 'help' JJM but the real reason is its frustrating for the rest of the team. I think KOC wants to put Brosmer in an ok situation for any real life game action and it will be planned in advance. Minnesota plays at Seattle next week and Viking's fans are going to get an up and close look at Uncle Sammy and if JJM stinks it up, it couldn't get any worse for McCarthy. Or the organization really.

Sadly, I think there are new lows to hit yet for this team and JJ upcoming.

And that Seattle defense is one of the best in the league. Hard to imagine JJ having much success against them on the road..it will be an Uncle Sammy revenge game for sure..

supafreak84 wrote:

And that Seattle defense is one of the best in the league. Hard to imagine JJ having much success against them on the road..it will be an Uncle Sammy revenge game for sure..

comet52 wrote:
I mean, how do we feel about losing 52-3?

Feels like something we've already done.

JimmyinSD wrote:

Feels like something we've already done.

Yep,  You guys just had to watch that trainwreck on tv...I had to do it at Lambeau with a whole lot of Packer fans...

comet52 wrote:
I mean, how do we feel about losing 52-3?

Defense will keep it closer than that.  30-3?

StickierBuns wrote:
Benching him means the team needs a break from the ineptitude, that would be the reason. He's not going to be helped by sitting, now or the future. He's observed everything for a WHOLE year last year and then injured for 4 or 5 weeks. What's he going gain by being benched? This is why I'm saying that its not impossible this happens, in fact it gets more probable every week, but it'll be painted to 'help' JJM but the real reason is its frustrating for the rest of the team. I think KOC wants to put Brosmer in an ok situation for any real life game action and it will be planned in advance. Minnesota plays at Seattle next week and Viking's fans are going to get an up and close look at Uncle Sammy and if JJM stinks it up, it couldn't get any worse for McCarthy. Or the organization really.

Sadly, I think there are new lows to hit yet for this team and JJ upcoming.

^^^

Thats what really has me concerned...The remaining schedule and zero datapoints of hope offensively. 

Honestly, they could be looking at 4-5 wins for the entire year. 

If you are rooting for causals for a big change? They might be just around the corner 

This could be a Steckel like season unfolding...

purplefaithful wrote:

^^^

Thats what really has me concerned...The remaining schedule and zero datapoints of hope offensively. 

Honestly, they could be looking at 4-5 wins for the entire year. 

If you are rooting for causals for a big change? They might be just around the corner 

This could be a Steckel like season unfolding...

If we end up with only 4 or 5 wins in year four under the new regime, how do you not make changes? The "competitive rebuild" doesn't seem very competitive to me. Hell at this point, I just might buy a ticket to the season finale at home just so I can start the "fire Kwesi" chant loud enough for the Wilfs to hear.

Benching him means the team needs a break from the ineptitude, that would be the reason. He's not going to be helped by sitting, now or the future. He's observed everything for a WHOLE year last year and then injured for 4 or 5 weeks. What's he going gain by being benched? This is why I'm saying that its not impossible this happens, in fact it gets more probable every week, but it'll be painted to 'help' JJM but the real reason is its frustrating for the rest of the team. I think KOC wants to put Brosmer in an ok situation for any real life game action and it will be planned in advance. Minnesota plays at Seattle next week and Viking's fans are going to get an up and close look at Uncle Sammy and if JJM stinks it up, it couldn't get any worse for McCarthy. Or the organization really.

Sadly, I think there are new lows to hit yet for this team and JJ upcoming.