Bright spot: Dallas Turner

I agree, he looks much more at home in Greenards spot...

That said, he still hasn't dominated like I would have liked given his draft position.

Maybe more still to come? I hope so.

purplefaithful wrote:
I agree, he looks much more at home in Greenards spot...

That said, he still hasn't dominated like I would have liked given his draft position.

Maybe more still to come? I hope so.

I think he needs to get bigger/stronger, which seems to be true of young NFL linemen on both sides of the ball.

I saw some encouraging things, but there were many times Kmet was blocking him one on one and Kmet held his own. I know they grow those TE's up right in South Bend, but no TE should be able to block Turner one on one. You have to make them pay for that decision

I didn't see it, he was getting swallowed up by the OT, just not strong and physical enough to get through OL. On one of the big plays of the game he completely took himself out of it by rushing way wide, because he he is not capable of beating the OT. He also almost cost us the chance to get the ball back to take the lead with what should have been another stupid roughing the passer penalty. Watched the Rams after our game and what a difference in the physicality and strength of Verse.

StickierBuns wrote:

Yeah....Verse is amazing. Far superior to Dallas Turner. No other way to slice that. Thanks KAM.

I honestly had Turner as the top defensive player in the draft two years ago. Just incredible bend in getting to the quarterback. Great athlete. Very productove at Bama. I think what's hindered him is much the same that's hindered McCarthy. He was the youngest player in the entire draft, immediately is behind on the depth chart to established veterans, and has to learn a different roll in a complex scheme. There's been a learning curve for sure and I hope he gets to the point where he is just reacting instead of overthinking everything. I think he is getting there, and as I stated in another thread, I'd love to see him start or see significant playing time the remainder of the season to let him develope and the coaches having a better idea of exactly where he is at in his development.

Turner's definitely better going forward than backward. He now has more sacks per snap than Jared Verse does...this year.

StickierBuns wrote:

They were the same two things I noted: very young and undersized. He came to TC bigger and stronger. He flashed Sunday. Maybe its the start of something. I don't feel confident about it, but its not like I've never been wrong before. Would love to see him pop.

He is very much a young player still growing into his body. He will look different a year or two down the road. Still only 22 years old and won't turn 23 until February. When he gets that "grown man" strength and figures things out a little more...watch out

MaroonBells wrote:
Turner's definitely better going forward than backward. He now has more sacks per snap than Jared Verse does...this year.

Saw that in a stat today. It is still too early, but he has his spot where Greenard is. Ive stood my ground the whole time that I believe He was a better pick than Verse. Would rather have Dallas and I won't ever back down from that.

Dallas Turner: ‘Still taking steps’

Outside linebacker Dallas Turner played well while starting for the injured Jonathan Greenard, who missed his first Vikings start against Chicago because of a left shoulder injury suffered Nov. 9 against Baltimore.

Turner helped force the Bears’ second three-and-out drive to start the game when he tackled wide receiver Luther Burden III for a 3-yard loss in the first quarter. He was a disruptive pass rusher with a team-high five pressures that included three hits on the Bears’ Caleb Williams, whom Turner called a “Houdini-like” quarterback.

Williams spun away from Turner early in the game, but Turner sacked him in the fourth quarter.

“It’s gonna take more than one person to bring him down,” said Turner, who has 2½ sacks this season. “But I feel like the front seven, we did our best in order to contain him.”

Turner, the 17th overall pick out of Alabama in 2024, said he’s feeling “a big difference” from his rookie season.

“It’s a steady progression,” Turner said. “Still taking steps, still learning from the vets.”

Strib

Sometimes it just takes time to settle in. Also agree that playing out of position is a factor

at this point with Turner, I am not going to call him a bust, but I view those picks that were used to take him as poorly spent and basically have written them off. Whatever we get from Turner before he hits FA in 2-3 years will be like frosting on a shit sandwich.... better than just the sandwich.

purplefaithful wrote:
Dallas Turner: ‘Still taking steps’

Williams spun away from Turner early in the game, but Turner sacked him in the fourth quarter.

“It’s gonna take more than one person to bring him down,” said Turner, who has 2½ sacks this season. “But I feel like the front seven, we did our best in order to contain him.”

Turner, the 17th overall pick out of Alabama in 2024, said he’s feeling “a big difference” from his rookie season.

“It’s a steady progression,” Turner said. “Still taking steps, still learning from the vets.”

Strib

Turner has 20 pounds and 2 inches on Williams, but he needs more help to bring him down?  Not impressed with him on any level, tired of his age as an excuse, he played 3 years and 42 games at Alabama which is a personnel factory for the NFL and now in his 2nd year where with injuries he has gotten a lot of first team reps here.  He almost cost us the game with what should have been a bonehead roughing the passer penalty one of several head scratching plays by him this year.   Decent player for a 3rd round pick, but for the 17th pick in the draft plus a 3rd, 4th and 5th, he is no where near the value of what we gave up.

JimmyinSD wrote:
at this point with Turner,  I am not going to call him a bust,  but I view those picks that were used to take him as poorly spent and basically have  written them off.  Whatever we get from Turner before he hits FA in 2-3 years will be like frosting on a shit sandwich.... better than just the sandwich.

we gave up a 2025 3rd round pick and 2025 4th round. That is not a whole lot when you break it down. We exchanged a 3rd and 4th in exchange for a 1st round pick. A first round pick talent that should have went 8 that I am guessing the Falcons would love to have at this moment. You know, the shitty QB you loved that has had like 5 ACL surgeries in as many years. 

The way I see it, I am guessing most teams will exchange a 3rd and 4th for a first round pick talent.

Canthony wrote:

we gave up a 2025 3rd round pick and 2025 4th round. That is not a whole lot when you break it down. We exchanged a 3rd and 4th in exchange for a 1st round pick. A first round pick talent that should have went 8 that I am guessing the Falcons would love to have at this moment. You know, the shitty QB you loved that has had like 5 ACL surgeries in as many years. 

The way I see it, I am guessing most teams will exchange a 3rd and 4th for a first round pick talent.

People always forget the first part especially when trying to defend it.

The Vikings acquired a first-round pick (No. 23 overall) and a seventh-rounder (No. 232) from the Texans in exchange for second- (No. 42) and sixth-round (No. 188) picks this year and a 2025 second-round selection.

So thats 2-2s, a 3,4, and 6th,  to get a 1st and a 7th.  Thats is essentially a whole draft for Dallas Turner and a camp body.

Even if you take every QB off the board,   that still doesn't get Turner up to 8th from where he was taken.  It was a terrible use of draft picks even if Turner had been more pro ready,  we had already added Gink and Greenard so all those picks for a developmental player not at position of need is a waste of picks when the real value of first rounders is contributing talent on a cheap contract.

And yes I liked Penix,  also had Nix and JJM in the same bag,  and have said as much countless times prior to the draft and after.

JimmyinSD wrote:

People always forget the first part especially when trying to defend it.

The Vikings acquired a first-round pick (No. 23 overall) and a seventh-rounder (No. 232) from the Texans in exchange for second- (No. 42) and sixth-round (No. 188) picks this year and a 2025 second-round selection.

So thats 2-2s, a 3,4, and 6th,  to get a 1st and a 7th.  Thats is essentially a whole draft for Dallas Turner and a camp body.

Even if you take every QB off the board,   that still doesn't get Turner up to 8th from where he was taken.  It was a terrible use of draft picks even if Turner had been more pro ready,  we had already added Gink and Greenard so all those picks for a developmental player not at position of need is a waste of picks when the real value of first rounders is contributing talent on a cheap contract.

And yes I liked Penix,  also had Nix and JJM in the same bag,  and have said as much countless times prior to the draft and after.

The trade with Houston was made for a trade up for Drake Maye. The organization correctly identified Maye as the best QB in that class. They then developed a plan via the trade with Houston to move up to draft him. By all reports, they tried to execute that trade up. But NE wisely rebuffed ours (& reportedly the NYG) efforts to trade up & drafted Maye.

Clearly, the plan wasn't to trade those picks for Turner although that ended up being the result.

JR44 wrote:

Turner has 20 pounds and 2 inches on Williams, but he needs more help to bring him down?  Not impressed with him on any level, tired of his age as an excuse, he played 3 years and 42 games at Alabama which is a personnel factory for the NFL and now in his 2nd year where with injuries he has gotten a lot of first team reps here.  He almost cost us the game with what should have been a bonehead roughing the passer penalty one of several head scratching plays by him this year.   Decent player for a 3rd round pick, but for the 17th pick in the draft plus a 3rd, 4th and 5th, he is no where near the value of what we gave up.

He's obviously not referring to his size. He's referring to his elusiveness and escapability.

Knucklehead wrote:

The trade with Houston was made for a trade up for Drake Maye. The organization correctly identified Maye as the best QB in that class. They then developed a plan via the trade with Houston to move up to draft him. By all reports, they tried to execute that trade up. But NE wisely rebuffed ours (& reportedly the NYG) efforts to trade up & drafted Maye.

Clearly, the plan wasn't to trade those picks for Turner although that ended up being the result.

Yes,  that was maybe the plan,  but they coukd have traded back down from 23 to recoup those lost picks,  not added more to the stack to get a guy that was a developmental prospect.   You dont get to 17 without first getting to 23,  so the cost that was previously suggested is simply not true.

MaroonBells wrote:

He's obviously not referring to his size. He's referring to his elusiveness and escapability.

He had both his hands on him on a crucial play and could not bring him down, Williams easily shook him off.

JR44 wrote:

He had both his hands on him on a crucial play and could not bring him down, Williams easily shook him off.

Believe me Turner is not the first person Williams has done that to.

1VikesFan wrote:

Believe me Turner is not the first person Williams has done that to.

This.

Despite setting a record last season for being sacked, Williams is incredibly hard to tackle and bring down. I watched him do the most Houdini shit ever against my Irish in college and again last Sunday. He is slippery and has the lower body of a running back.