Marshawn Kneeland

It's still a pretty disturbing death of a kid who has the dream job, has the slews of support people, and still manages to have a very final meltdown.

I'm not sure what the response should be, really.

Zanary wrote:
It's still a pretty disturbing death of a kid who has the dream job, has the slews of support people, and still manages to have a very final meltdown.

I'm not sure what the response should be, really.

Agreed, but a moment of silence...really!? For a guy who broke the law and was running from the cops? Lol. The NFL is just completely ass backwards at this point.

Sounds to me more like a mental health crisis ending in suicide than any sort of criminal activity. I don't have a problem with a moment of silence for the guy.

supafreak84 wrote:

Agreed, but a moment of silence...really!? For a guy who broke the law and was running from the cops? Lol. The NFL is just completely ass backwards at this point.

Somewhere along the line the cops became the bad guys for half of this society.  It's led to a bad place that honestly this country may never recover from.  When law and order is optional in society, it goes away.  I'm guessing the guy had other issues going on, but yeah this shouldn't be honored in any way, shape, or form.

StickierBuns wrote:
For me, I really don't care. I don't get outraged over everything. I do think ESPN is extremely liberal-minded in a way that panders hardcore to every shifting wind of cultural 'correctness', but what else would I expect from ratings chasing whores? I have my opinion internally and if I don't like it, I just move on or ignore it. Getting mad at what I see on television is like yelling at a cloud.

supafreak84 wrote:
Certainly not trying to turn this political, but it's what the NFL is best at, so...I just watched the NFL have a moment of silence before the Thursday night game for Kneeland, who killed himself after being in a pursuit with the cops and crashing his car. Like...why? Why do they choose to celebrate or recognize people who break the law and/or do stupid shit? Today's NFL and the causes or people they choose to support blows my mind

I don't disagree at all with this, but I will say, my guess is it is more focused on losing a brother in the NFL then what he did.  You play football, you are in an exclusive club.  It's no different then when your idiot sibling does something stupid.  You still think they are an idiot, but you mourn them because they were family.  I know the NFL pushes politics all the time, but that wasn't my feeling here.  I just think it was shocking, it was one of their NFL brothers and regardless of what they thought of his actions, they lost one of their own, so they used their stage to mourn that.

supafreak84 wrote:
Certainly not trying to turn this political, but it's what the NFL is best at, so...I just watched the NFL have a moment of silence before the Thursday night game for Kneeland, who killed himself after being in a pursuit with the cops and crashing his car. Like...why? Why do they choose to celebrate or recognize people who break the law and/or do stupid shit? Today's NFL and the causes or people they choose to support blows my mind

How about learning all the facts before indeed making it political, which you do often.  Kneeland was suffering from severe mental illness and had expressed suicidal thoughts well before this incident.  The night he killed himself he had told his family he was going to kill himself, it is unclear of the timeline and if it was before or after a routine traffic stop, not that it matters.  You post is completely based on assumptions and your own perceptions.  This was not as you are trying to portray it.  What happened was a complete tragedy, a young man had been suffering and needed help and tragically leaves his family, a girlfriend and teammates.  It is heartbreaking and the moment of silence was very appropriate.  We have seen it with our own players with Griffin, Underwood and others how mental illness can destroy lives. 

The lack of empathy and jumping to conclusions and demonstrating personal prejudicial view is really disappointing and disturbing.  This is a time to recognize how widespread mental illness is in our society and to be aware of others in your life who may need support.

Some very good points made across the board...

Ive learned (the hard way) to wait for all the facts to come-out b4 casting a judgement and reaching a conclusion.

Look, each and every one of us makes a personal decision to go through life either leading with mistrust & anger or patience and goodwill, a very personal call.

This sad situation reeks of mental illness and a 24 year old who met his maker way too soon.

JR44 wrote:

How about learning all the facts before indeed making it political, which you do often.  Kneeland was suffering from severe mental illness and had expressed suicidal thoughts well before this incident.  The night he killed himself he had told his family he was going to kill himself, it is unclear of the timeline and if it was before or after a routine traffic stop, not that it matters.  You post is completely based on assumptions and your own perceptions.  This was not as you are trying to portray it.  What happened was a complete tragedy, a young man had been suffering and needed help and tragically leaves his family, a girlfriend and teammates.  It is heartbreaking and the moment of silence was very appropriate.  We have seen it with our own players with Griffin, Underwood and others how mental illness can destroy lives. 

The lack of empathy and jumping to conclusions and demonstrating personal prejudicial view is really disappointing and disturbing.  This is a time to recognize how widespread mental illness is in our society and to be aware of others in your life who may need support.

I agree that in this situation, (caveat, I did not watch TNF, but did read reports), the moment of silence has little to do with the police.

Regarding your comment about lack of empathy, I don’t think you should be that surprised by it or feign outrage over it.  This is the time we live in.  Everybody is in their own echo chamber.  Leftists included.  Everyone’s algorithm is trying to pit everyone against each other.  I think leftists are clearly less empathetic than right-leaning folks, and their lack of finding the humanity in the other half of the country is why they are struggling politically.

medaille wrote:

I agree that in this situation, (caveat, I did not watch TNF, but did read reports), the moment of silence has little to do with the police.

Regarding your comment about lack of empathy, I don’t think you should be that surprised by it or feign outrage over it.  This is the time we live in.  Everybody is in their own echo chamber.  Leftists included.  Everyone’s algorithm is trying to pit everyone against each other.  I think leftists are clearly less empathetic than right-leaning folks, and their lack of finding the humanity in the other half of the country is why they are struggling politically.

The dems are struggling politically because they have no leadership, vision and cant get it through their skulls people are worried most about paying bills, eating dinner and not about tampons in bathrooms and DEI. 

My wife goes off on Trump every other hour and I remind her to be po'd at the dems first, her anger needs to be re-directed. Their mis-steps made it much easier for a republican to win the white house. 

I also think its more difficult for the Dems to have one, singular vision that checks the boxes for a much more diverse voting base than the conservatives. You wont please all.

JR44 wrote:

How about learning all the facts before indeed making it political, which you do often.  Kneeland was suffering from severe mental illness and had expressed suicidal thoughts well before this incident.  The night he killed himself he had told his family he was going to kill himself, it is unclear of the timeline and if it was before or after a routine traffic stop, not that it matters.  You post is completely based on assumptions and your own perceptions.  This was not as you are trying to portray it.  What happened was a complete tragedy, a young man had been suffering and needed help and tragically leaves his family, a girlfriend and teammates.  It is heartbreaking and the moment of silence was very appropriate.  We have seen it with our own players with Griffin, Underwood and others how mental illness can destroy lives. 

The lack of empathy and jumping to conclusions and demonstrating personal prejudicial view is really disappointing and disturbing.  This is a time to recognize how widespread mental illness is in our society and to be aware of others in your life who may need support.

Here are the facts. He was involved in a high speed pursuit with police where he failed to stop for an unknown traffic violation. The car was later found crashed and the driver missing. A search was conducted for the driver. Police were sent to Kneelands house as the vehicle was registered to him and nobody answered. Approximately 40 minutes later, Police were once again sent to Kneelands house after several friends received a strange "goodbye" text from Kneeland and were concerned. Once again, no answer. Approximately two hours later Police find Kneeland dead of an apparent self inflicted gunshot would in a porta-potty a short distance away from the crash sight. So he obviously was driving with a gun in the car that he took with him when he bolted from the crash, was running from the cops, and if I were a betting man I would guess he was either drunk or had other substances on board at the time. 

Tragic sure, but moment of silence worthy prior to a nationally broadcast NFL game....certainly not.

medaille wrote:

I agree that in this situation, (caveat, I did not watch TNF, but did read reports), the moment of silence has little to do with the police.

Regarding your comment about lack of empathy, I don’t think you should be that surprised by it or feign outrage over it.  This is the time we live in.  Everybody is in their own echo chamber.  Leftists included.  Everyone’s algorithm is trying to pit everyone against each other.  I think leftists are clearly less empathetic than right-leaning folks, and their lack of finding the humanity in the other half of the country is why they are struggling politically.

I thought it was a very good post by JR44 also. Primarily because he took the politics out of the situation. Then you had to reinsert politics in your last paragraph. Be a better world if people didn't feel compelled to politicize everything!

purplefaithful wrote:

The dems are struggling politically because they have no leadership, vision and cant get it through their skulls people are worried most about paying bills, eating dinner and not about tampons in bathrooms and DEI. 

My wife goes off on Trump every other hour and I remind her to be po'd at the dems first, her anger needs to be re-directed. Their mis-steps made it much easier for a republican to win the white house. 

I also think its more difficult for the Dems to have one, singular vision that checks the boxes for a much more diverse voting base than the conservatives. You wont please all.

I dont know that I agree with that as a historical point.  I think as the Dems move farther and farther left,   as they create more "protected classes" it further fractures their base and creates more "Republicans"  and with the shift of the Dems away from center,  and more former moderate Dems now finding themselves right of center,  it is creating a much more diverse and challenging base to maintain when it comes to party vision and unified support.  Ultimately I think you will see the republican party fracture as soon as the next presidential cycle.

Rest in peace, Marshawn :(

hogjowlsjohnny wrote:
I thought it was a very good post by JR44 also. Primarily because he took the politics out of the situation. Then you had to reinsert politics in your last paragraph. Be a better world if people didn't feel compelled to politicize everything!

I’d agree with you if it was just the first paragraph, but the second one is a clear jab, and while I’m sure we can pretend like it’s not political, it's a clear slur many have used politically in the past.  I’m probably just overly-sensitive from decades of the left pretending to be the compassionate ones, and while dehumanizing the right.

purplefaithful wrote:

The dems are struggling politically because they have no leadership, vision and cant get it through their skulls people are worried most about paying bills, eating dinner and not about tampons in bathrooms and DEI. 

My wife goes off on Trump every other hour and I remind her to be po'd at the dems first, her anger needs to be re-directed. Their mis-steps made it much easier for a republican to win the white house. 

I also think its more difficult for the Dems to have one, singular vision that checks the boxes for a much more diverse voting base than the conservatives. You wont please all.

JimmyinSD wrote:

I dont know that I agree with that as a historical point.  I think as the Dems move farther and farther left,   as they create more "protected classes" it further fractures their base and creates more "Republicans"  and with the shift of the Dems away from center,  and more former moderate Dems now finding themselves right of center,  it is creating a much more diverse and challenging base to maintain when it comes to party vision and unified support.  Ultimately I think you will see the republican party fracture as soon as the next presidential cycle.

Both are clearly true.  Most of the issues the left seems to care about right now are only really worth caring about when everything else is going pretty smoothly.  When your kid can’t afford to go to college or to get a home, or is going to be living with you until they’re 35, the more pressing issues push those luxury beliefs out of the picture.  They’ve also had a nasty habit of vilifying everyone they disagree with, which eventually means everyone feels like the left thinks they are a villain, and why would you want to be on the side that hates you.

I think the left is like 10 years behind the right.  I think most conservatives realized their politicians were mostly people that don’t value the same things as them pre-Trump.  The left got sidelined by all the woke discussion and I think it really took the Israel-Palestine issue for them to realize their party was filled with Pro-corporation/Pro-War politicians.  I just don’t think there’s much of a future for leftist politicians who are corporate stooges that promote the killing of brown people, while pretending to care the most about brown people.

I think both parties face a similar struggle, how much longer can they parade around people that are clearly towing the party line, that aren’t addressing real issues, that are serving the needs of the lobbyists that work for the insanely wealthy, before people vote for a 3rd party candidate that does address real issues and at least pretends to serve the people.  I also think there’s a dearth of real people that have any real understanding of the mess we’re in or how to fix it.  I just don’t think there’s very many people in this country that can provide a workable solution to unaffordable housing and what a post AI economy looks like.  I think we all realize things are bad, but not many visions are coming out of how to solve them.

medaille wrote:

I’d agree with you if it was just the first paragraph, but the second one is a clear jab, and while I’m sure we can pretend like it’s not political, it's a clear slur many have used politically in the past.  I’m probably just overly-sensitive from decades of the left pretending to be the compassionate ones, and while dehumanizing the right.

I understand why you don't agree with me. I don't really see much of a political statement in the second paragraph, but I do now understand you view everything threw a political lens given the rest of your post.
No offense. I respect your intelligence and position. I just don't waste my time on something I have no control over, eg. politics. Fighting the political battles and politicizing everything is tiresome and boorish. A waste of time.

Vikesrock wrote:

I don't disagree at all with this, but I will say, my guess is it is more focused on losing a brother in the NFL then what he did.  You play football, you are in an exclusive club.  It's no different then when your idiot sibling does something stupid.  You still think they are an idiot, but you mourn them because they were family.  I know the NFL pushes politics all the time, but that wasn't my feeling here.  I just think it was shocking, it was one of their NFL brothers and regardless of what they thought of his actions, they lost one of their own, so they used their stage to mourn that.

That would be my take as well.  Imagine if Everson had lost his life in one of his episodes.  I imagine the Vikings would rally around his memory, the good memories.  The promise cut short by mental health issues.

I know every month or so we butt heads about political items. Each side claiming the high ground. In very general terms I boiled it down in 2 basic world views. One side sees the world through moral absolutes. The other is moral relativism. Moral absolute tribe thinks when truths are violated there is repercussions. On the other hand the Moral relativism tribe is the idea that there's no universal set of moral principles, and that right and wrong are relative to factors like culture, opinion, or social context. So what's the moral of the story? The relativism crowd hasn't figured it out yet.  :idea: :P :angel: :heart:

JimmyinSD wrote:

I dont know that I agree with that as a historical point.  I think as the Dems move farther and farther left,   as they create more "protected classes" it further fractures their base and creates more "Republicans"  and with the shift of the Dems away from center,  and more former moderate Dems now finding themselves right of center,  it is creating a much more diverse and challenging base to maintain when it comes to party vision and unified support.  Ultimately I think you will see the republican party fracture as soon as the next presidential cycle.

You won't have to wait that long. The Epstein files are like a divisive anchor around their necks, the young republicans' nazi/racist messages, Nick Fuentes suddenly empowered by Carlson...

...the optics are getting worse.

Both "main" parties are cannibalizing themselves pretty brutally.

24 is way too young. Apparently there was an attempt at a wellness check and some miscommunication along the way in addition to the crash, fleaing and taking his own life. Mental Health issues are brutal and maybe the league can bring awareness

The NFL sent a memo to all teams Friday, asking them to hold a moment of silence Sunday as part of the pre-game ceremonies in memory of the late Cowboys defensive end Marshawn Kneeland.

The moment of silence will be followed by a message read in all NFL stadiums that says, If… pic.twitter.com/K3UYMudDhL

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) November 8, 2025

“I wish you knew it was going to be okay. I wish you knew the pain wouldn’t last and how loved you are. I wish you knew how bad we wanted you to stay.”

Powerful words from Cowboys DT Solomon Thomas on the loss of Marshawn Kneeland: pic.twitter.com/SX92pMcWRY

— Jori Epstein (@JoriEpstein) November 7, 2025