Post-game thoughts vs Chargers

I think your reactions are far too harsh.
Some comments are well deserved, certainly, but your solutions are throwing the baby out the with bathwater.
And I take offense to you saying that the Wilf's are not smart.

Montana Tom wrote:
I think your reactions are far too harsh. Some comments are well deserved, certainly, but your solutions are throwing the baby out the with bathwater. And I take offense to you saying that the Wilf's are not smart.

Well, it's year 4 under the new regime. No playoff wins, and the meter is not pointing in a positive direction almost halfway through the season. We spent something like 260 million in free agency on older veterans that haven't produced. Drafts have been mostly abysmal. Soo, is throwing the baby out with the bathwater not in the conversation? If not, how much longer do you wait should this season play out at its current trajectory? At some point you just cut dead weight and the sooner the better 

Sorry you are offended. My comment was as it relates to football. They are certainly astute businessmen in other realms, but when it comes to football and making football decisions, I don't consider them to be smart.

supafreak84 wrote:

Well, it's year 4 under the new regime. No playoff wins, and the meter is not pointing in a positive direction almost halfway through the season. We spent something like 260 million in free agency on older veterans that haven't produced. Drafts have been mostly abysmal. Soo, is throwing the baby out with the bathwater not in the conversation? If not, how much longer do you wait should this season play out at its current trajectory? At some point you just cut dead weight and the sooner the better 

Sorry you are offended. My comment was as it relates to football. They are certainly astute businessmen in other realms, but when it comes to football and making football decisions, I don't consider them to be smart.

Spot on.  People want to defend the Wilfs, KOC, whatever.  The results on the field aren't good, they aren't defensible at this point if you ask me.   IMO the two big win totals in 2022 and 2024 were mostly mirages, courtesy of a lot of turnover luck, soft scheduling, and injury luck as well.   I think ownership is poor and I've said that going all the way back to Chili.  I know most fans don't agree because they value what the Wilfs have done - build buildings and pump p.r.  But every team does that now, every team builds a new stadium at some point or another.  The whole thing of selling us "culture" is just like daytime t.v. stuff for lonely hearts.  It has nothing to do with winning a title, it's just soap if you know what I mean.

I think the poor drafting, lack of strategic ability from the HC and other issues are getting exposed.  Maybe JJM will be some sort of hero who lifts this thing up out of the mud but that's looking like a longshot and it's pretty clear that in year 4, KAM/KOC are not the dynamic duo that some people think they are.  This thing is not trending upwards.  You look at where the Lions were when Campbell took over.  It's not hard to say they are a top NFC team now and in real contention every year.  We are floundering compared to them.  

And I know there are always excuses.  That's the culture we live in now.  Bad night running the ball?  Oh the oline is so banged up how could we run it, how could we do anything?  Maybe we should just forfeit since it's so tough.  

Last night was one of the most embarrassing games I've ever seen from this team and I've seen pretty much all of them since 1970.   So I don't really care about somebody "preaching patience".  Wilf's been preaching patience at me for 20 years while they fiddlefuck around trying to figure out how to win.  Call me not impressed.

comet52 wrote:

Spot on.  People want to defend the Wilfs, KOC, whatever.  The results on the field aren't good, they aren't defensible at this point if you ask me.   IMO the two big win totals in 2022 and 2024 were mostly mirages, courtesy of a lot of turnover luck, soft scheduling, and injury luck as well.   I think ownership is poor and I've said that going all the way back to Chili.  I know most fans don't agree because they value what the Wilfs have done - build buildings and pump p.r.  But every team does that now, every team builds a new stadium at some point or another.  The whole thing of selling us "culture" is just like daytime t.v. stuff for lonely hearts.  It has nothing to do with winning a title, it's just soap if you know what I mean.

Childress was where it started with me too. The inexperienced Wilfs hired the first "hot name" the media was pumping out that year without examining things a little closer and evaluating things like, oh...did he actually call plays or have anything to do with an Andy Reid led offense in Philly. It didnt take much investigating for that answer to be a resounding "no" to everyone but the Wilfs. Childress was a disaster on the field and in the locker room until Brett Favre comes along and guides this team single handedly to the NFC Championship game. The Wilfs almost trip over themselves rushing to give Childress a contract extension only to fire his ass when the team implodes the following season and leaves them looking like complete idiots. They haven't learned or improved their process much in the 15 years since then. You can be good business people but not know shit about the game of football or how to effectively run an organization. The Wilfs are up there with the Woody Johnsons in that regard.

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StickierBuns wrote:

Yeah I agree.....over the top reaction. But we're a frustrated lot, unfortunately, so we have a wellspring of old resentments to layer on top of our current resentments and this is what you get. I also think some old agendas come out, like I know Supa thinks the Wilfs are too progressive as do some other fans. What that has anything to do with how the teams succeeds or doesn't is beyond me. JMO. 

We are in 'pile on' mode here so anything goes. I don't blame any fans really for blowing off the steam, we can't have nice things.

I don't have an issue with the Wilfs wanting to be socially progressive.  I don't really care about that stuff.  I think it's to some extent just p.r. which they are very invested in - they love to sell their alleged goodness.

But I have a long-standing issue with their poor hirings and general approach to football team building.  I've been underwhelmed and could cite a lot of reasons why but I'm tired of it all right now.  

And yeah venting frustration is a real thing that people really need to do sometimes, including me.  I honestly started to see stuff in camp back in August that made me pause and I posted that I was off the bandwagon and back to feeling like under 8 wins. 

Unless JJM is some kinda star that we haven't really seen outside of one quarter, and he can actually stay on the field with a patchy oline and a HC who frankly really comes up short strategically imo, and is going to make him stand behind that line waiting for long developing routes while he takes mucho sacks...it's just hard to see.

Then you look at the schedule and where are the wins?  Maybe home versus Chicago or Washington.  The rest looks very hard.

So yeah, I'm venting, here and elsewhere.  It's either laugh, cry or die with this team, cuz it sure ain't making runs at a title.  :s

StickierBuns wrote:

Yeah I agree.....over the top reaction. But we're a frustrated lot, unfortunately, so we have a wellspring of old resentments to layer on top of our current resentments and this is what you get. I also think some old agendas come out, like I know Supa thinks the Wilfs are too progressive as do some other fans. What that has anything to do with how the teams succeeds or doesn't is beyond me. JMO. 

We are in 'pile on' mode here so anything goes. I don't blame any fans really for blowing off the steam, we can't have nice things.

Over the top? What specifically did you find "over the top?" If you are referring to cutting bait on an "out of the box" GM hire that four years in looks absolutely awful, thenI'd love to hear your rebuttal on the matter. The Wilfs are not smart football people. Prove me wrong and point to anything in their tenure that's worked out or been a smart football decision. Looking forward to hearing it

comet52 wrote:

I don't have an issue with the Wilfs wanting to be socially progressive.  I don't really care about that stuff.  I think it's to some extent just p.r. which they are very invested in - they love to sell their alleged goodness.

But I have a long-standing issue with their poor hirings and general approach to football team building.  I've been underwhelmed and could cite a lot of reasons why but I'm tired of it all right now.  

And yeah venting frustration is a real thing that people really need to do sometimes, including me.  I honestly started to see stuff in camp back in August that made me pause and I posted that I was off the bandwagon and back to feeling like under 8 wins. 

Unless JJM is some kinda star that we haven't really seen outside of one quarter, and he can actually stay on the field with a patchy oline and a HC who frankly really comes up short strategically imo, and is going to make him stand behind that line waiting for long developing routes while he takes mucho sacks...it's just hard to see.

Then you look at the schedule and where are the wins?  Maybe home versus Chicago or Washington.  The rest looks very hard.

So yeah, I'm venting, here and elsewhere.  It's either laugh, cry or die with this team, cuz it sure ain't making runs at a title.  :s

The team is betting big on it. I still trust KO and think he's a great coach who's been dealt a bad hand this season-- some of it by his own making for sure. I saw Mike Zimmer teams constantly wilt in situations like this. I am interested to see what this team does but the season is far from over.

If KO says McCarthy is the guy, that's still enough for me to believe he's the guy.

I think i said last year we weren't as good as our record and I think this year kind of proves it out, we get a tougher schedule and look like a completely different team when we should be statistically better personnel wise.

JimmyinSD wrote:
I think i said last year we weren't as good as our record and I think this year kind of proves it out,  we get a tougher schedule and look like a completely different team when we should be statistically better personnel wise.

Most of last years free agents exceeded expectation. This years bunch,and some of last years, have been disappointing, to say the least. Also Darnold was really good in retrospect, despite the end of the year meltdowns. There is also no doubt those meltdowns came with the O-lines collapsing as well.  I would have never thought this years team would be worse, but they are!

JimmyinSD wrote:
I think i said last year we weren't as good as our record and I think this year kind of proves it out,  we get a tougher schedule and look like a completely different team when we should be statistically better personnel wise.

Sad thing is we haven't even had a tougher schedule. It's actually been pretty cake to date.

pattersaur wrote:

Sad thing is we haven't even had a tougher schedule. It's actually been pretty cake to date.

IIRC,  as of a couple weeks ago,  we had the 5 hardest schedule of the year thus far,  and have the hardest remaining schedule.

hogjowlsjohnny wrote:
Most of last years free agents exceeded expectation. This years bunch,and some of last years, have been disappointing, to say the least. Also Darnold was really good in retrospect, despite the end of the year meltdowns. There is also no doubt those meltdowns came with the O-lines collapsing as well.  I would have never thought this years team would be worse, but they are!

Yup, this years free agents are turning out to be duds for the most part.

Last years schedule was way easier, including the putrid AFC South.  It's hard to find a win right now among the games we have left.

The injury luck was great outside of Darrissaw and a few games without Cashman.  This year it's regressed hard.

We were getting turnovers galore, but those aren't repeatable and have regressed hard.

Darnold got away with so many bad throws that had me cringing all year, until those last two games.  Carson Wentz is just proof that the QB whisperer myth is just that.  I have lot of problems with KOC but not going to digress about that now.  

Add the bad drafting year after year and it all adds up to surprise!  You're not what you thought you were, Minnesota Vikings.  And you might be in for some lean years if JJM doesn't work out quick.